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2010-12-29 5:32 AM
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carrie639 - 2010-12-28 7:56 PM I had my LT done last year (184), so my data is pretty old and probably not as accurate since my fitness is much better than a year ago, but would love to learn how to get my HR down while running.  I really don't know what it is swimming, biking I can hit any zone I want (hills will make me spike really high, but cadence work has helped reduce that), but running I generally spend the first 10-20 minutes in the mid to high 150's, then after that I spend most of the rest of the time in the high 160's, and as I fatigue, I start to hit the 170's.  If I am doing a brick these figures will raise quicker.


I am no expert on how the physiology of it works, but the more you run, the fitter you will get and your heart rate will lower over time.  your body needs to adapt if you are new to running.  as is often said run lots but keep it easy.  if you cant carry on a conversation while you are running, you are goign too fast.


I think what Jeff means to say is that as you get more fit, your HR for the same pace will get lower.  For example if you have a HR of 160 to run 9 min/miles, as you get fitter, your HR miles will get lower.



2010-12-29 7:51 AM
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jsklarz - 2010-12-29 4:24 AM Whose up for a weight loss challenge? 

I am going for a pound per week whcih is a 3500 calorie deficit 500/day.  I intend to accomplish this by cutting out refined sugar (other than, of course, in my morning coffee, one does have to be somewhat reasonable) and dessert


Maybe...

I'm a little lost on the whole deficit part. Could someone dumb it down for me? I've tracked food a bit on an app for my Droid (from SparkPeople), along with exercise, in the recent past. I tried to stick around 1800-2000 calories.

But if I'm trying to stay in that range, does that mean eat OVER that and subtract the exercise to get there? Honestly there were days when I would eat 1800ish calories, but burn that much or more (according to the app), resulting in a net zero for the day or even negative. 
2010-12-29 7:54 AM
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kaburns1214 - 2010-12-29 4:32 AM
jsklarz - 2010-12-29 6:22 AM
carrie639 - 2010-12-28 7:56 PM I had my LT done last year (184), so my data is pretty old and probably not as accurate since my fitness is much better than a year ago, but would love to learn how to get my HR down while running.  I really don't know what it is swimming, biking I can hit any zone I want (hills will make me spike really high, but cadence work has helped reduce that), but running I generally spend the first 10-20 minutes in the mid to high 150's, then after that I spend most of the rest of the time in the high 160's, and as I fatigue, I start to hit the 170's.  If I am doing a brick these figures will raise quicker.


I am no expert on how the physiology of it works, but the more you run, the fitter you will get and your heart rate will lower over time.  your body needs to adapt if you are new to running.  as is often said run lots but keep it easy.  if you cant carry on a conversation while you are running, you are goign too fast.


I think what Jeff means to say is that as you get more fit, your HR for the same pace will get lower.  For example if you have a HR of 160 to run 9 min/miles, as you get fitter, your HR miles will get lower.



While I'm still new at this, I've seen my max HR come down more so than my avg HR so far. Of course I'm still ramping up mileage and changing effort levels, so I'm sure that factors in to it quite a bit.

You can search on my Garmin connect account if you like, might be easier than the logs here:


2010-12-29 8:44 AM
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jsklarz - 2010-12-29 5:24 AM Whose up for a weight loss challenge? 

I am going for a pound per week whcih is a 3500 calorie deficit 500/day.  I intend to accomplish this by cutting out refined sugar (other than, of course, in my morning coffee, one does have to be somewhat reasonable) and dessert


I'm in.  Only looking to lose 5-10, but every bit of motivation helps.  As well as any other people willing to hold me accountable.
2010-12-29 8:46 AM
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abqtj - 2010-12-29 7:51 AM

Maybe...

I'm a little lost on the whole deficit part. Could someone dumb it down for me? I've tracked food a bit on an app for my Droid (from SparkPeople), along with exercise, in the recent past. I tried to stick around 1800-2000 calories.

But if I'm trying to stay in that range, does that mean eat OVER that and subtract the exercise to get there? Honestly there were days when I would eat 1800ish calories, but burn that much or more (according to the app), resulting in a net zero for the day or even negative. 


What you need to do is find your maintenance caloric intake.  Some of the better formulas, I'll look them up if you like, factor in bf% and activity level into the calculations.  Take that number and subtract 500.  That is the amount of cals you should be eating to loose weight at a conservative and easily sustainable level.
2010-12-29 8:49 AM
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uhcoog - 2010-12-29 7:46 AM
abqtj - 2010-12-29 7:51 AM

Maybe...

I'm a little lost on the whole deficit part. Could someone dumb it down for me? I've tracked food a bit on an app for my Droid (from SparkPeople), along with exercise, in the recent past. I tried to stick around 1800-2000 calories.

But if I'm trying to stay in that range, does that mean eat OVER that and subtract the exercise to get there? Honestly there were days when I would eat 1800ish calories, but burn that much or more (according to the app), resulting in a net zero for the day or even negative. 


What you need to do is find your maintenance caloric intake.  Some of the better formulas, I'll look them up if you like, factor in bf% and activity level into the calculations.  Take that number and subtract 500.  That is the amount of cals you should be eating to loose weight at a conservative and easily sustainable level.


So ignore the exercise portion of it and solely look at diet, correct? 


2010-12-29 8:55 AM
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Google Katch-McArdle Formula.  It's the best out there if I recall correctly.  I'm on my phone so I can't get you a link.
2010-12-29 10:38 AM
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uhcoog - 2010-12-29 9:55 AM Google Katch-McArdle Formula.  It's the best out there if I recall correctly.  I'm on my phone so I can't get you a link.


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uhcoog - 2010-12-29 9:55 AM Google Katch-McArdle Formula.  It's the best out there if I recall correctly.  I'm on my phone so I can't get you a link.
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uhcoog - 2010-12-29 9:55 AM Google Katch-McArdle Formula.  It's the best out there if I recall correctly.  I'm on my phone so I can't get you a link.


You can also use the BT Calories burned feature.  This hsows you the total calories you burn from day-to-day living and then adds in calories burned from exercise as you log your training.

Just go to 'Settings --> Training Log Settings --> Log Defaults' to Enable this feature.

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2010-12-29 11:18 AM
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But is my "target" number of calories the net result of the day? Or the total calories consumed (not factoring in burned)?


2010-12-29 11:48 AM
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Your "target" claorie intake should be 500 calories less than the total number you burn in any given day. 

For example, my resting metabolic rate is about 1500 calories per day (this is the number I would burn if I did nothing all day long).  I train about 15-17 hours / week, so my training results in using approximately an additional 800 calories/day.  So on any given day, I burn about 2300 calories (BMR plus exercise).  My goal is to loose weight, so I try to consume about 500 fewer calories than I burns each day, so I shoot for about 1800 calories/day.  I would call 1800 my "target" calories.

If I have a rest day or a really big training day, I adjust the calories accordingly. 
2010-12-29 12:14 PM
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I am up for it, when do you want to start the weigh in?  Status updates how often and when will it end?
2010-12-29 12:18 PM
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I feel like dog meat if I eat under 2k cals.  My wife knows when I haven't eaten over 2k because I become the biggest horses behind on the face of the Earth.
2010-12-29 12:25 PM
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carrie639 - 2010-12-29 1:14 PM I am up for it, when do you want to start the weigh in?  Status updates how often and when will it end?


Jeff-y, you organizing?
2010-12-29 12:54 PM
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I won't be doing the weight challenge, I am at my goal weight.  5' 9" 162


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rizer22 - 2010-12-29 12:54 PM I won't be doing the weight challenge, I am at my goal weight.  5' 9" 162


Don't think I've seen 162 since before I was 10 years old.  :hangsheadinshame:
2010-12-29 2:48 PM
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kaburns1214 - 2010-12-29 1:25 PM
carrie639 - 2010-12-29 1:14 PM I am up for it, when do you want to start the weigh in?  Status updates how often and when will it end?


Jeff-y, you organizing?


Sorry was working today -first  weigh in January 2 and then Sunday mornings are weigh weigh in time!  So on 1/2 post (1) your current weight (2) goal weight by 3/1/11.  Each week on sunday post (1) current weight and (2) a sentance about what yu are doing right/wrong so Kelly can help us deal with the nutrition problems.  I'll keep a chart and post it after the sunday weigh in.  winner gets all the orange cream Perpetuum you can drink (yuck).
2010-12-29 5:07 PM
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So eat up people, we have 4 days til discipline time . . . Just kidding  Laughing
2010-12-30 4:48 AM
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carrie639 - 2010-12-29 6:07 PM So eat up people, we have 4 days til discipline time . . . Just kidding  Laughing


We did dinner out last night, very good, but not so great on the calorie side.
2010-12-30 7:40 AM
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kaburns1214 - 2010-12-30 5:48 AM
carrie639 - 2010-12-29 6:07 PM So eat up people, we have 4 days til discipline time . . . Just kidding  Laughing


We did dinner out last night, very good, but not so great on the calorie side.


grilled salmon and spinach is bad for you?  Do we have to have that talk again?


2010-12-30 7:40 AM
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Got a good ride in today.  Going out to ride with a buddy tomorrow.  Trying to get him ready for a 180 mile, 2 day ride in April.  He's sooooooo out of shape even if you can't tell by looking at him.  Will be an effort in patience on my part since I tend to push the pace any time I'm out riding.  Just an FYI I am competitive to a fault in just about everything I do.
2010-12-30 7:42 AM
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What's on tap today peeps?  I have about 3000 yrds of swimming and an easy run today... followed by some festivities with friends.  I want to make sure my glycogen stores are depleted so I can refill them properly with a carbo-BEvERage or 2 (may add some protein from poultry)
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Nurse from the life insurance company is coming by today to check me out.  Apparently going from 235 last march to 179 drops my premium.  Sweet!!! 

Diet adult beverage of choice for tomorrow is Coke Zero and Crown Royal Black BTW.
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jsklarz - 2010-12-30 8:40 AM
kaburns1214 - 2010-12-30 5:48 AM
carrie639 - 2010-12-29 6:07 PM So eat up people, we have 4 days til discipline time . . . Just kidding  Laughing


We did dinner out last night, very good, but not so great on the calorie side.


grilled salmon and spinach is bad for you?  Do we have to have that talk again?


And un-logged bites of Shaun's gnocchi. 
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