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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() triwolfpack - 2010-12-29 8:12 PM Sharon...just got back online after workout at the gym and dinner with the wife (little one is at the granparents!) I was totally talking about Crossfit with my wife at dinner and I did check a little out online today. Looks interesting and would love to learn a little bit more. Any recommendations on websites, etc.? Missed this while I was posting my other comment.... Do you have a CrossFit affiliate in your area? You can look it up at the www.crossfit.com website and look at the left column to check on affiliates for your area. I would recommend at least checking out a local CF box because you can really hurt yourself if you don't have a good foundation on some of the stuff we do at CF. No need for injuries when you can avoid it!! I think that there are people who CF on their own, but you just have to be careful. There are tons of videos out on YouTube and most affiliates have blogs and they often post their workouts on there. You just would need to know how to scale your workouts appropriately. The WODs (Workout Of the Day) posted on the main site normally will have to be scaled for most because they typically are posted for the "advanced" level crossfitter. My apologies to the group. I had no intentions of hijacking the recent posts and I most certainly am not trying to convert anyone to CrossFit. I'm not CrossFit certified (far from it, although I would love to work towards a Level 1 certification) and I am just a regular person trying to get stronger in their sport (in this case for me, it's CrossFit and obviously triathlons). |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sharon, thanks for the info on crossfit...I'll check out the website and approach cautiously ![]() BTW...I'll go ahead and ask the group....how do you get the cool indentations on your replies when you are replying to a specific message. Apparently I don't have one of the hundreds of setting set properly and I want to be cool like everybody else (plus it is alot easier to read!) David |
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![]() Hey Steve and all - Thanks for letting me "wiggle" in your group at the last minute. Here's a little info: ME: Brenda, 51, with a husband of 28 years who doesn't get the whole tri thing but is supportive, 2 adopted active kids (boy 15, girl 14) and 2 Great Danes. TRI HISTORY: Have been doing them for 5 years. The first 3 years I did just 1 local sprint. Year 4 added an Oly and last year a couple more Olys and a HIM. IM (Wisconsin or Rev3 CedarPoint) is on my bucket list. There's not many triathletes (especially women) in my small community so I'm looking forward to connecting with others who share my passion and quest for bettering oneself at this great sport. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() triwolfpack - 2010-12-29 6:40 PM Sharon, thanks for the info on crossfit...I'll check out the website and approach cautiously ![]() David, When you want to reply to a particular post, click on 'Quote' in the upper right hand corner of the post and it'll take you to a screen where the message you are replying to is included. Hope that makes sense! Johanne |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Hey Daniel "LycraCladChamp" I live in Redlands, so we're neighbors. Where in Riverside area do you live? I did the Big Rock Sprint (they also have an Oly) in October, it's out at Lake Perris. This is a great one to do if you are worried about swimming. I think the course was a little short, the lake is very calm and a wave start so not too much body contact. They do the same race in April (I think) too. It is well run, the bike has a hill going out that's not too bad and a little steeper one toward the end, the run is flat. Here is a link to my race report if you're interested. Melinda Edited by grannygear 2010-12-29 9:52 PM |
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Member ![]() ![]() | ![]() Sorry I didn't respond sooner Steve! I have to say I am a little overwhelmed (in a great way!) by the amount of posts on here and I am trying to catch up. It's wonderful to have all of this support! AND to have two other people in Wisconsin, as I live in southeastern Wisconsin! A little more information about me. I am married, 29 (I want to lose my remaining weight by my 30th birthday in May) and I am a middle school English/Drama teacher (yay, Steve and Jac). I also direct plays/musicals for my school, which makes training difficult at times. Just to let you all know, I may have been silent the last couple days, but I have been reading and taking this all in. A good friend of mine did a couple tris last summer and I was a proud supporter. She had a mentor group and I could tell how much it helped her, so I have been waiting for a few months for the opportunity! I am very new to running and I have struggled to see improvements, but I know they are there. I hope to be more consistent with my training so I can really see the improvements. Biking and swimming are both things that I would like to improve upon and I have the goal of finishing my first tri and then improving my times, as I have with running. Anyway, you have all inspired me so much that I called and signed up for swim lessons. I start on Thursday!! I took lessons as a child, but I have much room for improvement. I will let everyone know how it goes! Laura |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Nothing too important, just an observation and minor gripe...100 yards kick is BORING! Having said that, I'm starting to really appreciate all the time in the pool I've done, for the first time in my life! Flirting withe the 1000 yard distance when as recently as October 200 was a stretch! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() BRENDA - Glad you made it! Rev3 on the horizon somewhere? Well, if those two teens of yours lust after amusement parks, that's the race for you. At least for this past season one of the perks on entry was family passes to Cedar Point. So, presumable, while mom or dad was out on course slogging away for 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17 hours, the rst of the family could play to their heart's content. Sounds like a workable solution to bringing the family along on an ironman! You've been busy the past few years! Which HIM did you do this past season? Racine? Door County? Or one of several smaller ones that I think still grace the state? Are you planning on any repeat olys in '11 that you did either in '10 or '09? Two teens....two great danes.....I shudder at the thought of your food expenses! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm not trying to evade or avoid the heart rate monitor discussion, it's just that I have very little to add. I last used my HRM in about '06, and while it was great in the years I used it extensively, I just grew away from it and became more comfortable with relying on Perceived Exertion. I saw two big benefits from my HRM. The first was just establishing some baseline parameters, and those guided me fairly well for a few seasons (maybe '01-'04). Then from '04-'06, it was great for keeping me in line during intense Zone 4-ish run efforts, especially on a treadmill. I was able to go places in those sessions that I couldn't've/wouldn't've without the HRM telling me that even though I felt I was going to die, I really wasn't at me upper-upper limits. ACK! My dopiness about computers extends to all electronic equipment, and so HRM were challenges for me. Polar was the big leader back then, but they had far more bells and whistles than I could get my head around. Garmin, at the time, was used by geologists and interpid mountaineers, so that wasn't even an option. I finally found I could work with a Timex unit, and that was the last one I had. My one caution is an odd one -- make sure you are the sort of person who is really good at remebering to keep your unit charged. I have read oh-so-many accounts of people who have had their Garmin, say, die during a key race, and that has thrown them way off their game. I never used my HRM in a race.......which is good because I am not one of those types who remembers to keep things charged! (However, i am very reliant on my Timex 50-Lap Sleek for every single workout I do.) |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks Daniel and Alex and Laura for coming clean with your whereabouts, and they've been added to the roster above. We're now complete! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JEFF - Amen to 100 yards of kick being boring! However, ya gotta admit you feel kind of rigtheous having done it, right? But I wouldn't know, as I've never done 100 yards straight of kicking. Well, maybe once or twice, but I think those were just 50-meter that I have expanded in my guilt-ridden head. At some point, the added swim distances will just become almost exponentially easier; maybe you're on the cusp of it right now! Maybe 1000 will happen, and then by leaps and bounds the capabilities will increase. 1250? Check. 1400? Check. 1800? Check. Correct me in a few months if it doesn't unfold that way! |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have one of those hearts that does weird things. Well, not weird per se, but it'll happily and safely do 240 while I'm running. Not running fast, mind you, just jogging it'll do that. When I trained for IM in 2007, my coach was really concerned and I was sent for a battery of tests, at huge expense to myself, to determine what, if anything, the problem was. The tests were conducted incorrectly, and the report came back and said that I was just extremely unfit. I took exception to that, as I was training about 8 hours/week at that stage. So, we started again, at more expense to me. In the end, after going through a whole raft of different tests and checks and things, the cardiologist told me that I'm a two stroke; I rev really high while I'm exercising, but there is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't push myself on a run or allow my heart rate to get high. There is nothing wrong with my heart, it just goes fast. He also told me that Perceived Exertion is a far better indicator of what's actually going on in your body, as your heart rate is affected by so many factors that strict adherence to read-outs on hrms is not particularly valid. He told me to take my hrm for a swim in the lake, and disconnect the chest strap while I was out there. For me, keeping to set heart rates meant that I was forced to go slower and slower and slower in my training until I felt I was actually going backwards. I'm just mentioning this because I felt cheated of some progress due to a numbers convention that actually impacted negatively for me. The cardiologist had done marathons himself in the 80s, when noone really had hrms, and he said that just as many people stayed alive. It's possible to get wrapped up in this I guess. I haven't used my hrm since, and it's taken me a good couple of years to try and get myself to go faster now because I was made totally paranoid by the hrm screaming at me at 180bpm. Hope you guys can sort your issues with them; I have another friend who says she just couldn't ever train without hers. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I hope so! The jump form 200 to 800 has been fun so I guess it will come. My leg injury forced me into the pool so it has worked out |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Interesting comments on HRM's, I have seldom used them but was thinking about using "Be Iron Fit" which is heart rate monitor centered. I have a few days before I start training again. Maybe I will rethink the plan since I'm not very good with technology anyway. At IMAZ I hit the button wrong and ran out of lap storage on the bike and then it went dead on the run, I hear what you're saying Steve. Any additional thoughts on training plans and using or not using heart rate monitors? Melinda |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I agree, there have been interesting comments on HRM's. I used one when I started training regularly a couple of years ago and didn't really do anything with the information. I'm just 1/2 a techno geek ![]() I'm just getting to the point where I can guess what my running pace is. Can you do that with your HR too? Can you convert perceived exertion to an estimated HR? |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() See, now that was the interesting thing. I can still sing in tune whilst running when my heart is at 206. We tested me to make sure, because someone had told me once that if you can talk comfortably, you're probably where you should be-ish for endurance. My first run with the HRM on, it told me my heart was doing 196 when I'd taken about 20 steps, so I doubted its accuracy, having been told that I needed to keep my heart rate under 145...... and feeling just fine....... so I ran all around a local park singing, because I was running alone and thought that talking to myself would look even weirder! I have no sensory perception of my heart going fast until it's at about 260, and THEN I feel it. Before then, nothing, just faster breathing. But, if that's a Perceived Exertion of 10, which it is, then I guess 5 would be about 200 for me..... In truth, my answer is no! I can't translate Perceived Exertion to heart rate! Hopeless!
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bswcpa - 2010-12-29 9:48 PM Hey Steve and all - Thanks for letting me "wiggle" in your group at the last minute. Here's a little info: ME: Brenda, 51, with a husband of 28 years who doesn't get the whole tri thing but is supportive, 2 adopted active kids (boy 15, girl 14) and 2 Great Danes. TRI HISTORY: Have been doing them for 5 years. The first 3 years I did just 1 local sprint. Year 4 added an Oly and last year a couple more Olys and a HIM. IM (Wisconsin or Rev3 CedarPoint) is on my bucket list. There's not many triathletes (especially women) in my small community so I'm looking forward to connecting with others who share my passion and quest for bettering oneself at this great sport. Brenda, You may already know this but there is a good number of Triathletes in Plymouth, IN. I met a number of them at a Symposium in Jordan, IN last year. They might have a website to check out if you goggle them. Also, Lafayette, IN has a large number of Triathletes and a good website. They do an open water swim at least once a month in Lake Schafer. I know that is probably a bit of a drive for you but you could make a day of it. They will throw in a bike ride after the open water swim. The open water swim usually has more females than males. There is also a Tri clinic at Purdue University Jan 22/23 sponsered by Tri-N-Run. Here is the website for additional information on the open water swims and clinic. http://triathoners.ning.com/ or google Tippicanoe Tri club. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jeff, I agree that kicking is kinda boring and I use to avoid it until a friend of mine told me to start kicking 200-300 yards at a time. He is an awesome swimmer and has a great kick. He didn't tell me why but just said to try it. By the time I was done, my legs were cramping and I was so happy to stop kicking, that I didn't mind going back to straight sets of 100's or something else. I am not a swimmer by any means but I believe that kicking and pulling (using a pull buoy) have done wonders for my swimming. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ROGER and SHARON and other potential Crossfitters -- I learned about Crossfit about two years ago, and was initially quite taken by it -- although I have never done a specific Croosfit routine. By "taken by it" I mean that I tried to pay attention to it through our computer, but with our dial-up service it was just too frustrating to follow their terrifically motivational (and slightly intimidatiing) videos. Plus, even though I belonged to a very good gym at the time.......it didn't have kettleballs, and kettleballs were sort of the bread-and-butter of Crossfit at that time. So, I stopped trying to figure out Crossfit; it kind of died a-bornin' in my own little universe. Roger, you ask if anyone used it training for tris, and the curious thing about that is that at that time the general Crossfit position was almost hostile towards endurance athletes. Or, if not hostile, then somewhat contemptuous. Their position (for which I will grant them a few points) is that endurance stuff is limiting in what it enables a person to do, and this does not follow the basic Crossfit tenet that one should train so as to be ready to handle ANY situation that one might confront in his or hers life. This could range from unscrewing a partuclarly tightly-stuck jar-lid, to having to lift a bus off a small car that it had tipped onto, trapping a family of four -- all of whom needed to be extricated immediately. Crossfit would allow that having the ability to run 14 miles to fetch a doctor to hurry back and attend to the breach-birth of the prize-winning ewe is also useful......but you'd better be able to haul the ewe and a few assorted cows out of the mud during the deluge three days later! All of that is by way of saying that the Crossfit stance two years ago was not user-friendly, but I found that it is equally valid to any exercise program that employs strength and flexibility components. I mean, people use free weights and machines and bands and Swedish balls and medicine balls and Bosu thingies, and they do Yoga and Pilates and Yogalates and T'ai Chi and half a hundred other angles on keeping fit.......so why not add some elements of Crossfit to one's routines? The closest I came, however, was using a large lifting plate in lieu of a kettleball, and at that it had to be one of the ones where there is more space than "material" to it. It may weight 35 pounds, but it resembles more of a three-spoked carbon racing wheel than a conventional big old black weight plate. I liked using this thing, but my current gym only has the big old black weight plates, so I'm out of luck. Sigh. Well, maybe it's time to spring for high-speed out here in the sticks, and while I'm at it ----- spring for a few kettleballs as well! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JAC - Well, I'm not a two-stroke kind of guy myself, but it just got to the point for me that my HRM seemed to be a limiter on my training performance, kind of like in your case but minus about 70 bpm! I love your cardiologist's suggestion -- take the HRM for a swim, and then disconnect the chest strap. Funny guy! It bugs me some, still, to see the HRM up on my shelves, dusty and, well, dead (battery expired about three years ago). It seems like a waste at the very least, and beyond that a good idea for some that didn't work for me. Oh well. I also love your account of singing at the top of your lungs while running, just to test the notion that you could do all that while pulsing along 240bpm. Of course, the real hard-core test of your endurance ablitities would be to run while singing AND pounding on the drum. But maybe that's for another exercise regimen! For me, it was just too many times that my HRM was suggesting I should go slower or be in some lower Zone, and I was feeling I had a lot more in me than what the HRM was saying. I can't imagine how it would be to do a whole race paying strict adherence to my HRM, and get to finish and see a disappointing time......and feel I could go out and do the whole race all over again! Curses! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JOHANNE - "I want the HRM I have to sync with my Garmin just because it should." See, that sort of thing just never happens in my world, and what frustartes me even moe is that I have sub-zero abilities to work it all through. Calibrating and programming gizmos is far, far beyond me, and so I'm best-served by not even getting involved in the first place -- helps keep my self-esteem intact! It took my a while to get to the point where I was as one with my running pace, but when that happened it was very useful. I dutifully spent a couple of seasons doing workouts based on HR Zones and making the mental/physical adjustments based on RPE.....and then I just stopped thinking about doing the correlations at all. I kind of just ran to run, and when I wanted to do tempo runs ---- I just increased my tempo! When it came time for some LSD run, or just a recovery run ---- I eased up to a level I thought was appropriate. Nothing to it! ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() MELINDA - What Johanne says in the post below yours, and what I say in the one above this one. That's an option, anyhow -- figure out roughly what your Perceived Exertion is at different heart rate zones, and then adjust all your workout levels to corrspond to what Don Fink is suggesting in "Be Iron Fit". If you know someone who has a HRM, maybe you can borrow it for a few days and work all of this out. An alternative is to try to figure it out by using the heart rate option on a treadmill, but I'm not sure how reliable it is to run while holding onto the bar. A third option is to do the equivalent of what lots of young women do at prom-time -- buy an expensive dress, wear it to the prom, and then return it the next day. You could buy the HRM, use it, get all the data set....and then return it! Naw, I'm not really advocating that at all; honest! My HRM, the one I could finally figure out how to use without getting all frustrated, had some semi-advanced capabilities, but just not all that many. I know there are now lots of HRM units that do nothing moe than tell you what your heart rate is; they don't even have a clock option! And they are inexpensive. So, if you felt that you wnated to give heart rate a go as it applies to "Be Iron Fit" plans, then you could get one of the minimal ones for under $100, I think. Just make sure that you get one that is accurately accurate! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JOHN and JEFF - I'm just going to toss the following into the arena here......... In races, I kick very minimally. I do not have good plantar-flexion, meaning my ankles aren't very flexible and I have trouble getting them to extend straight out as an extention of my leg; in other words, they are more like fixed rudders! ![]() ![]() All of my races have been in a wetsuit, which certainly makes it easy to swim without kicking much, and that's what I do. The upside to this is not insignificant, allowing my to go out on the bike with very fresh legs. I have learned to work this to considerable advantage over the years, and so a large amount of my swimming is done with a pull buoy. This allows me to focus on the front part of my swim, turning swim sessions into upper-body workouts and/or technique-based efforts. This has proven to be what works for me; I would not discourage anyone from working on their kick. In fact, I still do do kick-work, but just not to the point where I'm hoping that it will lead to a swim breakthrough. I maybe USED to have those hopes and dreams, but over time I learned it wasn't going to happen for me. You never know who is going to be almost predisposed to effective and efficient kicking, and for thoise who can work it that way it is a godsend. Take flexible ankles and the ability to do a deceptievly effortless two-cycle kick generating from the hips, and a person has the ability to flutter-kick from here to Portugal and back! So, as you work on your kick try to generate it from your hips, and with as little hard effort as possible. The best kickers make it look almost completely effortless -- and with very little back-splash! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JOHANNE again - So you're having trouble pairing your Garmin with your husband's? Ah, you must have channelled my brain by mistake. Oops! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ALEX - That is always a tough call -- how to fit in the programs that aren't specifically swim/bike/run. Yoga fans complain about this a lot, that they love their Yoga practice....but how to continue it while getting better at thr tri stuff. For me, I really love my sessions in the gym, and I have to be careful that I don't take too much time for them that might better be used to S/B/R. My best advice is to sift through the Crossfit videos and find a couple of routines that appeal to you, and then incorporate them into whatever part of your life they best fit. I say this.....but I'm not too good at this sort of thing myself. In the gym, yes, but at home on my own, no. But if you're one who could maybe buy a kettleball or two and somewhat fairly regularly use them at home, then that'll be helpful at some level, anyhow. Another way to approach Crossfit is to defer it for now, but keep it in mind for next fall when you enter the off-season. At that point you'll have your swimming and running much closer to where you want it to be, and coming off the '11 season you'll be ready for a break from the tri-specific stuff anyhow. A good way to sequence it would be to start the 3x weekly Crossfit program the day after the last outside bike ride you can do without getting chilled to the bone, which around Pawling might be towards the end of October? Moving on slightly, I see you have two women-only triathlons in mind for next season! As I said to someone else here (Gulp! I can't remember who!), I'm sure you will love every second of those. I have never even seen one in action, but everything I read just raves about the huge camaraderie that is generated at them. I should probably treack one down and be a spectator just to vicariously experience it myself. Anyhow, I'll be very interested to hear how you find them.....although i have a long time to wait, don't I? |
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