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2011-04-23 4:36 PM
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Just nailed my 5k race this morning. I am so thrilled. I wanted to be in the top 10% and was just outside at 11% but my time was 30 seconds under my goal time. It was a beautiful sunny morning. Now I have to get a two hour ride in this afternoon. I think I will rest tomorrow and enjoy Easter. Happy Easter everyone.


2011-04-23 6:17 PM
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popsracer - 2011-04-23 4:36 PM Just nailed my 5k race this morning. I am so thrilled. I wanted to be in the top 10% and was just outside at 11% but my time was 30 seconds under my goal time. It was a beautiful sunny morning. Now I have to get a two hour ride in this afternoon. I think I will rest tomorrow and enjoy Easter. Happy Easter everyone.

Awesome, nice job! Happy easter to you too.

2011-04-23 6:35 PM
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Thanks for the inputs re the swim stroke count. I will work on it some more with those "single word" answers.

 

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2011-04-23 9:01 PM
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sbsmann - 2011-04-23 2:17 PM

Hello,

Hope I'm not infringing on this group because technically I didn't join, but I do look at the forum from time to time.  I just had a question regarding the BT beginner HIM plan for those of you that may be familiar with it.  Ocassionally the plan calls for a swim workout to include "kick".  My plan recently called for 4x300 (300 easy, 300 kick, 300 easy, 300 pull).  I understand everything, but am uncertain of the 300 kick.  Does that mean I should be doing 300 yards of straight kick with a kickboard?  It just seems like a ton of kickboard work and I have to admit I am not very good at that, so my 300 would take me forever.  I've just never seen a workout with that much straight kick.  Am I understanding that correctly?? 

Yes, just kicking. Personally I get really bored just kicking with a kick board so I mix up some kick drill sets - dolphin kick for 50, kick on my side for 50, streamlined kick for 50 etc.

2011-04-23 9:12 PM
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I don't know what others have done, but for the longer kicks I use a board and fins. Occaisionally I will break it up with shorter distances and just use the board. I don't have a great kick, and it has definitely improved with the practice.
2011-04-23 9:16 PM
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Just finished the 3 hour ride 2 weeks from race! I am racing in PCB which is flat and windy and todays ride included 1100 ft of climbing and 20 mph winds. Downhills were trecherous! Only completed 51 miles and am hoping that translates into a much easier 56 come race time. Not too many flats here in TN so making the best of it . Taper week coming up!


2011-04-24 5:45 AM
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bill2059 - 2011-04-23 9:16 PM Just finished the 3 hour ride 2 weeks from race! I am racing in PCB which is flat and windy and todays ride included 1100 ft of climbing and 20 mph winds. Downhills were trecherous! Only completed 51 miles and am hoping that translates into a much easier 56 come race time. Not too many flats here in TN so making the best of it . Taper week coming up!

Great job! Flat and windy is all I know here. Enjoy your taper.

2011-04-24 6:05 AM
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Well, another lousy wet weekend back east and I couldn't do the race simulation workout (30 min sw x 2 hr bike x 30 min run) due to the weather and the though of doing it inside just was too much. Instead I went with a 4000 yd swim (which turned out to be really exhausting on the heels of 3000 the day before). My question is how important are these race simulation workouts? I have not a lot of problems with the bike run bricks, but my logistics are such that the swm bike workouts are very hard to arrange.Nice race Pops!
2011-04-24 8:27 AM
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Nice Race Pops

Bill....enjoy the taper and congrats on the 3 hour ride!

Joe - 7000 yards in two days is A LOT :-) As far as training simulation days goes....I say do them no matter what the weather, if it's safe.

To all - I just realized you all count the 20 weeks from 20 to 1 instead of 1 to 20. I guess I'm starting week 16 this week instead of week 5.

HAPPY EASTER TO THOSE WHO CELEBRATE IT!

2011-04-24 10:42 AM
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Popsracer:

Way to go Bud!!!!! Congrats on the race and Happy Easter!!

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2011-04-24 12:09 PM
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JoePetto - 2011-04-24 6:05 AM

Well, another lousy wet weekend back east and I couldn't do the race simulation workout (30 min sw x 2 hr bike x 30 min run) due to the weather and the though of doing it inside just was too much. Instead I went with a 4000 yd swim (which turned out to be really exhausting on the heels of 3000 the day before). My question is how important are these race simulation workouts? I have not a lot of problems with the bike run bricks, but my logistics are such that the swm bike workouts are very hard to arrange.Nice race Pops!


If you can do it great but I do not think you are going to bonk on race day if you don't. If you've done some of the 30 run/2 hour ride/30 run workouts they are just as tough fitnesswise. I think its more of a confidence booster. Logistically its tough for me to do this full workout but I'm not going to worry about it. Wow, 4000 yards is a long way.


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Well...I met with my run coach and start a 20 week training plan for Berlin Marathon tomorrow! I'll just be focusing on running and will miss you guys!  I'm definitely a triathlete at heart and will be back...just after this other goal of mine.  3 hours here i come!
2011-04-24 7:15 PM
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I was blasting down a hill today at 30+ mph with the local tri club when I got this crazy idea to do a half in about 5 months.  Anyway, I found an event I am interested in doing and it must be fate because the event is exactly 20 weeks out, which is the length of this training plan! 

My limiting factor is the swim.  Right now 1.2 miles in the water terrifies me because swimming is so counter-intuitive for me - it seems like the less effort I put into it, the faster I go.  I need to learn to swim slowly!

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JG_GreenCoast - 2011-04-24 8:09 PM Well...I met with my run coach and start a 20 week training plan for Berlin Marathon tomorrow! I'll just be focusing on running and will miss you guys!  I'm definitely a triathlete at heart and will be back...just after this other goal of mine.  3 hours here i come!

Three hours will be quite the accomplishment! Good luck with the training. Check in on us every once in a while!

2011-04-25 6:38 AM
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neurocyclist - 2011-04-24 7:15 PM

I was blasting down a hill today at 30+ mph with the local tri club when I got this crazy idea to do a half in about 5 months.  Anyway, I found an event I am interested in doing and it must be fate because the event is exactly 20 weeks out, which is the length of this training plan! 

My limiting factor is the swim.  Right now 1.2 miles in the water terrifies me because swimming is so counter-intuitive for me - it seems like the less effort I put into it, the faster I go.  I need to learn to swim slowly!

It's no counter-intuitive at all to think more effort results in a slower swim.  The more you push the more your form will break down.  Watch the following clip (as well as the others in the series) and you may want to change your perspective on swimming "hard":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRIdzOlRB1s

 

2011-04-25 8:00 AM
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Being the OCD type, I forced myself to either to the workouts inside or move the workout around to a day where it would work (thank you weather channel!). I found it to be really helpful in just being reminded that I have to be able to do all 3 events together, which is definitely mental training as much as anything else.
Looks like the taper is exactly that way of doing it - s/b/r, so there are other opportunities. Either way, I recommend getting the time in each of the disciplines even if you have to break it up.
Sounds like you are ready for an IM swim in any case!


2011-04-25 8:54 AM
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JoePetto - 2011-04-25 6:38 AM
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I was blasting down a hill today at 30+ mph with the local tri club when I got this crazy idea to do a half in about 5 months.  Anyway, I found an event I am interested in doing and it must be fate because the event is exactly 20 weeks out, which is the length of this training plan! 

My limiting factor is the swim.  Right now 1.2 miles in the water terrifies me because swimming is so counter-intuitive for me - it seems like the less effort I put into it, the faster I go.  I need to learn to swim slowly!

It's no counter-intuitive at all to think more effort results in a slower swim.  The more you push the more your form will break down.  Watch the following clip (as well as the others in the series) and you may want to change your perspective on swimming "hard":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRIdzOlRB1s

 

Very informative video, thanks!  I'll get the hang of it eventually - the prescription for today is 2500y in the pool and 40 minute run.  I'm going to do a small effort in OWS with the tri club just to get some face time in the murk :D 

2011-04-25 9:26 AM
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Joe, I'm not going to get that workout completed in one day this week either. I've got it all screwed up. Last week was my recovery week and I was supposed to race at the end of the week on Sat. Well that was Easter weekend and there weren't any races around. Now I am back to my build week and have my first sprint race on Sunday. It's logistically impossible for me to do that workout right now anyway (pool is 40 min away).

I am telling myself it's ok as long as I get in the distance. I have competed in 10 triathlons over the last two years so I already know what it's like to move from one event to the other, race wet, be cold, be rained on, have the wind blow 30 mph in your face, have my chain slip, be hit in the head, have my goggles ripped off my face, out pace myself, and make a wrong turn on the course .  Oh, and I forgot be run off the road by a giant combine. If the workout is intended to give you a feel for the race day experience I've got it LOL!

2011-04-25 9:39 AM
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Ok, I'm stepping back into this group, for real this time.  I introduced myself ages ago (hi!) and then realized that since I wasn't within the 20 weeks that I should probably wait until I was before posting.  Well, today's day 1 and I'm ready for my first run.

Unfortunately I'm supposed to swim today and all the pools are closed for Easter.  I briefly considered my wetsuit and Lake Ontario but it's 41 degrees today and I'm just not that bada$$ yet.  Tongue out

So hi to everyone!  Looking forward to joining you on the journey.  

2011-04-25 12:54 PM
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Next week is the final taper to my race! Woohoo! In looking at the workouts, can anyone talk to whether the s/b/r workouts are all together or gaps in between or it just doesn't matter. Kind on the same vein as the other thread going on and these are much shorter workouts. Seems like the plan gets a tad sketchy these last couple of weeks. Any advice is welcome. Thank you!
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lamb_y2003 - 2011-04-25 9:39 AM

Ok, I'm stepping back into this group, for real this time.  I introduced myself ages ago (hi!) and then realized that since I wasn't within the 20 weeks that I should probably wait until I was before posting.  Well, today's day 1 and I'm ready for my first run.

Unfortunately I'm supposed to swim today and all the pools are closed for Easter.  I briefly considered my wetsuit and Lake Ontario but it's 41 degrees today and I'm just not that bada$$ yet.  Tongue out

So hi to everyone!  Looking forward to joining you on the journey.  

Welcome back, Laurie!



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bill2059 - 2011-04-25 12:54 PM

Next week is the final taper to my race! Woohoo! In looking at the workouts, can anyone talk to whether the s/b/r workouts are all together or gaps in between or it just doesn't matter. Kind on the same vein as the other thread going on and these are much shorter workouts. Seems like the plan gets a tad sketchy these last couple of weeks. Any advice is welcome. Thank you!


I'm not sure it really matters the spacing between the workouts. It is not transition practice. It's more muscle memory and keeping loose.

Taper week is so hard mentally. Lots of time to wonder if only I'd done this or that leading up to it. Reality is you've done what you could and one should spend time visualizing the race and how well you are going to do.
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bill2059 - 2011-04-25 12:54 PM Next week is the final taper to my race! Woohoo! In looking at the workouts, can anyone talk to whether the s/b/r workouts are all together or gaps in between or it just doesn't matter. Kind on the same vein as the other thread going on and these are much shorter workouts. Seems like the plan gets a tad sketchy these last couple of weeks. Any advice is welcome. Thank you!

It's just like the rest of the plan. If they are meant to be done back to back, it will note it in the plan. Taper is a time of reduced volume to allow you to recover and absorb all of your training. By the time you hit the taper, the "hay is in the barn" and you won't gain any new fitness. You WILL, however, set yourself up for a good race by following your taper plan and not slacking off. Skipping workouts may leave you feeling flat on race day. Doing more than is called for because you want to get in one last good workout may make you feel tired and achy on race day.

Also, watch your calorie intake in your taper. It's pretty common to eat just as you did in peak weeks and gain a few pounds in the week leading up to the race.

Lots of people gets all kinds of aches and pains during taper and feel like they are bouncing off the walls. Totally normal! It's called "taper madness" for a reason!

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Caught a break in the rain and managed the 2 hour ride/30 min run portion of the race day prep workout. Now it is raining again so I feel really lucky to get that workout in. 

Man my legs feel terrible when I get off that bike. They always have. I really tried to maintain an easy pace during the ride - kept holding myself back thinking RPE 2. Had a little wind and some rolling hills but I geared down and kept my spinning easy. I got off the bike and felt like my legs were rubber bands going every which way. I was so frustrated. I just kept running though and pretty soon they felt much better. I finished the run really strong and not even tired so that made me feel a little better. Does anybody else struggle with rubber legs?

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Caught a break in the rain and managed the 2 hour ride/30 min run portion of the race day prep workout. Now it is raining again so I feel really lucky to get that workout in. 

Man my legs feel terrible when I get off that bike. They always have. I really tried to maintain an easy pace during the ride - kept holding myself back thinking RPE 2. Had a little wind and some rolling hills but I geared down and kept my spinning easy. I got off the bike and felt like my legs were rubber bands going every which way. I was so frustrated. I just kept running though and pretty soon they felt much better. I finished the run really strong and not even tired so that made me feel a little better. Does anybody else struggle with rubber legs?



Just about everyone struggles with rubbery legs off the bike. I do not think it is possible to train to the point where you do not feel that. It is normal. And it is normal for the feeling to go away after a mile or two. We practice transition runs to mentally learn to deal with it not so much that it eventually goes away. It may diminish a bit but I've never heard of it totally going away.
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