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Mike - super impressed with your run time!


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Vets,

I know what the water temperature cutoff is for wetsuits, and all of the advantages of a wetsuit like buoyancy.  Putting that aside, what do you consider "too cold" to swim without a wetsuit?

I made a firm decision a while ago just to go without one for my first race in order to trim some expenses while still figuring out if this is something I'm going to do more than once.  Race is Sunday and I'm sort of freaking out now and doing all the typical second guessing.  I suppose if water temperature is my biggest fear right now that it means I feel good about my fitness level.  Looking at water temps of 69/70, at 8:30 am.  Likely be low 70's that time of day.  Manageable?  Or am I nucking futs?  And on a side note, I don't plan on being in there very long anyway!

I think you are okay in the 70's  below that its a "per person" type of thing.  I have done both sprint distance swims and an IM swim in 60's temp (IM at 62-63 and sprint at 65-66).  Both with wetsuits (although the sprint was with a sleeveless) but saw folks without them.  At the end of the IM swim there were people shivering and being put in the warm up tent (both with and without wetsuits).  Similar for the sprint. 

One tip that helped me.  Try putting some vaseline on your face and arms.  The thought is that it provides a bit of protection and helps reduce the initial shock.  Not sure if it really provided a barrior or if it was mental but I went with it.  The other tip would be to get in the water ahead of time.  I suspect once you start swimming you will warm up quickly.

Lastly, keep an eye out for used wetsuits in the $60-80 range as they do pop up. 

Yes to the vaseline. I totally forgot that we used to do that at early morning practices to stay warm. It totally helps. It acts as a barrier between your body and the water and totally works. Seriously. I think 70 is ok. Anything less than that is pretty cold for me, but I'm generally cold anyway. Could you rent a suit this close to the race? Some places let you rent them and then use the price of the rental against a purchase in the future.

 

I may just try this vaseline trick.  I did go to a different pool today, which was colder than the pool I normally swim at.  Water temp was 72, and it felt cold!  I was able to get used to it fairly quickly though, and would likely be able to handle 70 this weekend.  I'll plan on getting in there a few minutes early if I can.  It really was only the initial shock to my body.

Also put myself on the clock for the 500 yds for the first time.  Didn't feel like I was overexerting, and the time really surprised me.  9:15.  Hoping a few karate kicks to the face and choppy water won't throw me too far off this pace.  I was hoping to be out of the water in 10:00.  Looks like I have a chance.

The Sprint I'm doing this weekend actually had several contests over the past few weeks and gave away 5 Blue Seventy full suits.  I was not a lucky winner.  Found out today that my company is going to reimburse me for my entry fee though!  Considering it a practice run for the upcoming corporate challenge race.



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ransick - 2012-05-15 8:09 PM RR for my first race of the year is here http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=440642&posts=1#M4211761 .  I beat my time on the same course by over 5 minutes!

Great job Mike! Love the pic's included in your blog, so peaceful.

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Hey all!

Been a bit absent as work has been nuts but getting better.  Week 2 and yesterday had a great swim.  Things are coming together, finally breaking out of the speed plateau I was on.   Nice run this morning and easy ride tonight. 

Summer is definitely on its way and my run this morning was just a hint of whats to come.  I am not a great hot weather runner so it will be a bit of a struggle for me.  One note, I finally got a bigger fan for when I am on the trainer.  It makes a huge difference!

Okay, lets hear from everyone as I suspect we might have lots a couple of folks.

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ransick - 2012-05-15 8:09 PMRR for my first race of the year is here http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=440642&posts=1#M4211761 .  I beat my time on the same course by over 5 minutes!
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Not an amazing week of training. Sunday was my long run. At mile 1.75, I was attacked by a dog. It was 0645 and I had my iPod on and out of nowhere a 80+# dog hit me from my left and knocked me down. No bites, but some road rash from hitting the pavement. I finished the 13, but not a great run. Then Monday ride was uninspired. Swims have felt very sloooow. Long ride yesterday w fell short of my mark. I think at some point in training I always have a crappy week. Usually close enough to my "A" race to worry me, but far enough away to shrug it off by race week. Hope everyone is doing well. 24 days for me until HIM. off to the pool.


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I re-discovered that I need a break after accomplishing something. My plan was to start training hard this week for my sprint on 7/8. I had my workouts all planned with 3 morning swims, and 2 morning strength training, along with 3 bikes and 2 runs, leaving a full day rest on Sundays, and Tuesday golf day with only a strength session. It looks so good on paper ... it turns out I am lacking a little motivation this week, after all, I just set a PB in the 10K on Saturday :-).

I backed off a little and will get 2 swims, 1 strength trainings, 2 runs, and 2 bikes, all in all not a total couch potato week. I will implement the plan starting next week for sure.

Good luck to racers this week, have fun and keep smiling. Happy trails!

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If you take away the overwhelming anxiety, nerves, and constant 2nd guessing myself on every thing I've done and still need to do, I haven't been up to too much.  Got to the pool this morning at 530.  Water was so cold it took me 10 minutes to get in, and then I only swam 250yds.  I had planned to go just 500, but output level was too high (so it felt) and decided to shut it down.  Figured a real good 250 was much better at this point than a lazy 500.  I really have dialed it back all week aside from my Monday run and am starting to feel fresh.  Have an easy ride planned for tonight, 2 mile run tomorrow, and I'm going to cruise the course once on Saturday before I turn my bike in.  Hear there is a pretty nasty hill at start of mile 9.  Packet/info pick up today, and a pre-race meeting Saturday.  Oh boy!  I played arena football for 11 years and aside from my debut, I can't every recall getting this anxious before a game this far in advance.
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dwpiggott - 2012-05-17 8:04 AM

I re-discovered that I need a break after accomplishing something. I just set a PB in the 10K on Saturday :-).

Yes you did! and another big congrats to you for it.

Way to listen to your body too.  It'll pay dividends over time and in all sports it's typically the first thing overlooked.  I do need to get used to this triathlon training business.  I still find it awfully amusing when someone has 7 workouts scheduled for a week, but consider it their rest/recovery week.



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leftrunner - 2012-05-17 5:21 AM Not an amazing week of training... 

Rob ... you are including a recovery week in your training regimen to slack off a bit aren't you?  Sounds like your body has let you know it's time whether you want to or not

 

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Hey all ... tough week for me this week with some lingering jet lag and such.  Had a really good spinning session on Monday and did a different type of swim class Tuesday.  The swim class is titled 'swim fit' wherein you mix up swimming a leg of 100,75,50 & 25m swim increments with a leg of burpees, push-ups, frog crunches, more push-ups, squats, et al.  My legs and butt were so sore I could hardly walk yesterday

Have a brick planned for tonight and overall am satisfied with the effort put in this week.  It's really nice to get back to the usual regimen with training.



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Race check in today!

Found out waves are going out by age group.  Don't know if this is common or not, but it makes me a little nervous.  My dumb butt will try to hang with some of the guys I shouldn't be.

 

Since I'm swimming sans wetsuit, is it better to swim topless, or in the tri top?

Where the hell does this rectangular sticker go?

When I was checking in the guys asked me long or short post.  Had him repeat it two more times and finally said, "I don't even know what that means."  Guy next to me said sprint or oly.  I finally realized he was saying long or short course.

My marathon runner friend came with me.  150 people minimum were in the shop.  She remarked that there were probably no more than 5-10 people there that were fitter than me.  I agreed with her, but then told her I would still likely finish 140th or worse if we all lined up right then and there.

I still don't know where to put this sticker.

Wore my swim cap around the house for a minute and my son told me I looked like a funny headed alien.  I had a hard time taking it off.  Not because I liked chasing my son around and growling at him, but because it was actually hard to take off.

Bought Margarita flavored Cliff Blocks, because if I'm dragging that bad, it better at least still seem like a party.

All this silly stuff and and I'm still two days away from race day.  I'll report more silly encounters when I go to orientation and bike drop off Saturday afternoon.



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Dorm57 - 2012-05-17 10:13 AM

Hey all ... tough week for me this week with some lingering jet lag and such.  Had a really good spinning session on Monday and did a different type of swim class Tuesday.  The swim class is titled 'swim fit' wherein you mix up swimming a leg of 100,75,50 & 25m swim increments with a leg of burpees, push-ups, frog crunches, more push-ups, squats, et al.  My legs and butt were so sore I could hardly walk yesterday

Have a brick planned for tonight and overall am satisfied with the effort put in this week.  It's really nice to get back to the usual regimen with training.

I take a swim class just like that.  Having never lifted or done anything like that, the class kicks my butt! It's also humiliating doing those exercises on deck as a pasty white middle aged guy in jammers.  One night the instructor had me do 171 kettle bell swings as 18 reps with a minute rest in between.  Rep 1 was 1 swing, rep 2 was 2 all the way up to rep 18 was 18 swings.  I was the only one doing them and the people in class were counting and cheering.  For the last 3 or 4 sets, random strangers in the other half of the pool stopped swimming and started counting and cheering me on.  Tal;k about self conscious!  

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ransick - 2012-05-15 7:09 PM

RR for my first race of the year is here http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=440642&posts=1#M4211761 .  I beat my time on the same course by over 5 minutes!


Mike,
That is awesome! I was so disappointed when Iron Girl didn't come back to New Orleans- I so wanted to repeat the course and see if I could beat my time. If I had done that by five minutes I'd be walking around on cloud nine for a while.
Congratulations and good luck on the next one.

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Dorm57 - 2012-05-17 10:13 AM

Hey all ... tough week for me this week with some lingering jet lag and such.  Had a really good spinning session on Monday and did a different type of swim class Tuesday.  The swim class is titled 'swim fit' wherein you mix up swimming a leg of 100,75,50 & 25m swim increments with a leg of burpees, push-ups, frog crunches, more push-ups, squats, et al.  My legs and butt were so sore I could hardly walk yesterday

Have a brick planned for tonight and overall am satisfied with the effort put in this week.  It's really nice to get back to the usual regimen with training.



Dorm,
I took a similar class when I was in college. I got so skinny and in shape it wasn't funny. We actually had to swim pulling the guys in the class across the pool for one of the exercises. I still don't know how I did that class but it was awesome.

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dwpiggott - 2012-05-17 8:04 AM

I re-discovered that I need a break after accomplishing something. My plan was to start training hard this week for my sprint on 7/8. I had my workouts all planned with 3 morning swims, and 2 morning strength training, along with 3 bikes and 2 runs, leaving a full day rest on Sundays, and Tuesday golf day with only a strength session. It looks so good on paper ... it turns out I am lacking a little motivation this week, after all, I just set a PB in the 10K on Saturday :-).

I backed off a little and will get 2 swims, 1 strength trainings, 2 runs, and 2 bikes, all in all not a total couch potato week. I will implement the plan starting next week for sure.

Good luck to racers this week, have fun and keep smiling. Happy trails!



I've done the exact same thing after each of my races. I think it's just a mental thing for me. Like whheew- I accomplished this, now I need a break. I take about a week or so to go easy and then all of a sudden my motivation comes back.

Any excuse to take it easy- huh- lol.

Awesome on the race and PR.

Shelly


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If you take away the overwhelming anxiety, nerves, and constant 2nd guessing myself on every thing I've done and still need to do, I haven't been up to too much.  Got to the pool this morning at 530.  Water was so cold it took me 10 minutes to get in, and then I only swam 250yds.  I had planned to go just 500, but output level was too high (so it felt) and decided to shut it down.  Figured a real good 250 was much better at this point than a lazy 500.  I really have dialed it back all week aside from my Monday run and am starting to feel fresh.  Have an easy ride planned for tonight, 2 mile run tomorrow, and I'm going to cruise the course once on Saturday before I turn my bike in.  Hear there is a pretty nasty hill at start of mile 9.  Packet/info pick up today, and a pre-race meeting Saturday.  Oh boy!  I played arena football for 11 years and aside from my debut, I can't every recall getting this anxious before a game this far in advance.


I was soo nervous before my first tri that I truly almost talked myself out of even showing up- hehe. And I had trained for months for a baby sprint tri. So I was past ready- it was all a head thing for me. I had an awesome time though and am so happy I didn't let my nerves get the best of me ( I knew I wouldn't- that's just not my personality) but I worked myself up that's for sure.

I was also shocked at how the race was so much more a mental challenge than a physical challenge for me. That was the one thing I didn't prepare for. My head kept telling me to throw in the towel and give up and i had to keep telling it to shut up- lol. It was just such an awesome feeling though when I crossed that finish line and I couldn't wait to do my next one.

You'll do awesome because you're prepared. Just keep telling your head to get quiet with all the anxiety already- hehehe.

Can't wait to read your race report.

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ccoffin - 2012-05-17 8:49 PM

Race check in today!

Found out waves are going out by age group.  Don't know if this is common or not, but it makes me a little nervous.  My dumb butt will try to hang with some of the guys I shouldn't be.

 

Since I'm swimming sans wetsuit, is it better to swim topless, or in the tri top?

Where the hell does this rectangular sticker go?

When I was checking in the guys asked me long or short post.  Had him repeat it two more times and finally said, "I don't even know what that means."  Guy next to me said sprint or oly.  I finally realized he was saying long or short course.

My marathon runner friend came with me.  150 people minimum were in the shop.  She remarked that there were probably no more than 5-10 people there that were fitter than me.  I agreed with her, but then told her I would still likely finish 140th or worse if we all lined up right then and there.

I still don't know where to put this sticker.

Wore my swim cap around the house for a minute and my son told me I looked like a funny headed alien.  I had a hard time taking it off.  Not because I liked chasing my son around and growling at him, but because it was actually hard to take off.

Bought Margarita flavored Cliff Blocks, because if I'm dragging that bad, it better at least still seem like a party.

All this silly stuff and and I'm still two days away from race day.  I'll report more silly encounters when I go to orientation and bike drop off Saturday afternoon.



Not sure if you're serious or not but the sticker is either your helmet or bike sticker. There should most likely be one for both.
And I'll bet you are wrong about being 140 but even if not- 140 out of 150 is far better than 0/150 but you already know that.

Love the humor in your post. Sounds like you are already having fun which makes the first tri even that much better.

Good luck, enjoy the margueritas-lol (what a great cliff blok flavor), and blow them all away. I'm sure you'll do awesome.

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CC - Yes, swimming in AG's is the most common.  Don't worry there will be all sorts of swim speeds.  Do your own race and don't worry about how fast/slow everyone else is going.  As for top, yes wear the tri top.  Trying to put a shirt on a wet body is never an easy thing.  Good luck, make us proud!!!

Dorm - yep my masters class does stuff like that sometimes, kicks my butt every time.  Towards the end the simple act of getting out of the pool hurt.

 

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leftrunner - 2012-05-17 5:21 AM Not an amazing week of training... 

Rob ... you are including a recovery week in your training regimen to slack off a bit aren't you?  Sounds like your body has let you know it's time whether you want to or not

 

 

Yes all built in, but I have a hard time really taking it easy, so I may cut distance, but if I feel good, I keep up the intensity.  This is where a coach would come in handy.  I think my wife would leave me if I got a coach.  She already thinks I am over-the-top.

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ccoffin - 2012-05-17 9:49 PM

Race check in today!

Found out waves are going out by age group.  Don't know if this is common or not, but it makes me a little nervous.  My dumb butt will try to hang with some of the guys I shouldn't be.

 

Since I'm swimming sans wetsuit, is it better to swim topless, or in the tri top?

Where the hell does this rectangular sticker go?

When I was checking in the guys asked me long or short post.  Had him repeat it two more times and finally said, "I don't even know what that means."  Guy next to me said sprint or oly.  I finally realized he was saying long or short course.

My marathon runner friend came with me.  150 people minimum were in the shop.  She remarked that there were probably no more than 5-10 people there that were fitter than me.  I agreed with her, but then told her I would still likely finish 140th or worse if we all lined up right then and there.

I still don't know where to put this sticker.

Wore my swim cap around the house for a minute and my son told me I looked like a funny headed alien.  I had a hard time taking it off.  Not because I liked chasing my son around and growling at him, but because it was actually hard to take off.

Bought Margarita flavored Cliff Blocks, because if I'm dragging that bad, it better at least still seem like a party.

All this silly stuff and and I'm still two days away from race day.  I'll report more silly encounters when I go to orientation and bike drop off Saturday afternoon.

 

Great Post! 

 

I miss the first one.  I am going to repeat it this year.  There was a woman at my first who rented a wetsuit and put it on backwards.  We all had a good laugh with her.

 

I screwed up T2 at my first.  I had my race number on a race belt and forgot to put it on coming out of T2.  I ran 50 or so yards and turned around, went back in to transition and got the belt and headed back out.

 

Newbie mistakes are the norm.  Have fun with it. You will never get this one back, so just enjoy it and know that you are starting a journey that could take you anywhere.



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ccoffin - 2012-05-17 9:49 PM.......All this silly stuff and and I'm still two days away from race day.  I'll report more silly encounters when I go to orientation and bike drop off Saturday afternoon.

Chris ... sounds like you are uber excited - I'm excited for you right now and I'm sitting at the kitchen table.  Just try to keep calm and remember to soak it all in, especially at the finish wherein you'll want to be grinning, hi-5'ing people down the chute and saying under your breath 'thank God it's over with'. :0

Also ... silly is good - I still do silly. even at age 55.



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Oh man.  I love being silly. 

Going over all the information for the race and just noticed no one is entered in the Oly 34-39 AG.  Maybe I pay the extra $25, gut it out, and have a clean slate like Chrissy Wellington!

Starting with my AG makes me nervous because I don't think I'm mentally disciplined enough to hold back if some of the stronger competitors start pulling away.  I think I'll be close enough out of the water to end up trying to stay with them on the bike.  And if they linger around 20/21 mph, I'll be able to.  I just won't be able to run at all and be toast.  If I had no clue who was in my AG, it would be easier for me to just settle in where I think I need to be to finish strong, which is probably around 16 1/4 - 16 1/2 MPH on the bike. 

Headed down tomorrow afternoon to take an easy ride on the courses, and familiarize myself with the transition area, etc... Over 2k people entered.  SHould be fun, and crowded!  Calling for rain overnight now on Saturday.  Slick roads make me nervous on the bike.  By far my weakest discipline as it is.

Took the drunken bet on 1/23.  Started training at 223lbs on 1/24.  Down to 202 and will be collecting $100 on Sunday afternoon, no matter what position I finish in the race.

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ccoffin - 2012-05-18 3:07 PM

 

Took the drunken bet on 1/23.  Started training at 223lbs on 1/24.  Down to 202 and will be collecting $100 on Sunday afternoon, no matter what position I finish in the race.

Sweet!  Congrats on the weight loss and the $100!

Have you had some crazy tri dreams yet?  ?

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ccoffin - 2012-05-18 3:07 PM

 

Took the drunken bet on 1/23.  Started training at 223lbs on 1/24.  Down to 202 and will be collecting $100 on Sunday afternoon, no matter what position I finish in the race.

Sweet!  Congrats on the weight loss and the $100!

Have you had some crazy tri dreams yet?  ?

The one where I win?  Yep.  Several times.  Been to the LBS more times the past two days than I have the past 3 months too.

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