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I just want some juicy rumors. I'm married mom with 2 children . I need an occasional fun  

Never mind.

Maybe you should post a thread asking for advice?

Same stuff, the usual! We should grab a drink sometime soon! Where is Shelly and Turtle???? 

Question - if you are looking for a new job and going on interviews, when asked the reason why you are leaving, and your answer is, nicely put "unsatisfactory management", how do you express this to interviewer without throwing your current company under the bus?

I'm not even going into details, but just in general, how do you avoid painting your employer in a bad light, which I know is the #1 Interview Sin? (Not say I AM going on interviews or looking at this point, but I might start this weekend) 

I think you ought to throw this question out to COJ as a whole.  You'd probably get a wider variety of opinions there. 

Funny...not even touching that one.

Well, usually the way to do go is to say "I had a great time here with you guys, but i got this wonderful opportunity elsewhere". This way you do not burn any bridges, especially  when it comes to references. You never know when you will need these "unsatisfactory managers" to give you a reference for future jobs.  Just a good business practice.

What are some of the specific reasons the current management is unsatisfactory?
Maybe you can cite some examples instead of referencing people and how they
affect you. Instead make it sound like it's limitations/problems with the job itself, and
not necessarily the people you work for. Although, it really depends on what the
reasons are. Some might be okay to say flat out...

What is she asking?

No, I wasn't asking what I should say to my CURRENT people - I meant, when interviewers ask you why you are leaving your current position, how do you tactfully say that the managment left some things to be desired, so as not to paint them in a bad light to your hopefully NEW employer?

They might look at you as potential trouble. I took an HR class in college. You do not say it to a new employee ether, just say you are looking for a new challenge. 

Not sure I agree with all of the above, especially in your case, Chrissy. At least online,
you tend to go on and on and start ranting and raving about things. I don't know what you
are like in a job situation. I think the less you say about this the better, and when asked, and
you will be asked why you are looking, is to leave any mention of management or people out of the discussion.

For example, on my last job search, there were two reasons I wanted to leave:
1) management was terrible. 2) from a technical and business perspective, the
direction of the company diverged greatly from my vision for my career.

You need to find a reason more like #2 above and go with that. Leave #1 out of it.

Telling a prospective new employer that management is unsatisfactory... well, when I
interview people, and they say that, forget it. I don't need any problem children working for me.

If you express that current management is unsatisfactory, you won't be throwing your
current company under the bus, you'll be throwing yourself under the bus.

I give Chrissy 2 minutes to disagree...  

newleaf, your #2 sounds like limitations/problems with the job itself...something I had mentioned. I gave several different possibilities, depending on the situation itself. No need to agree or disagree, it's not like I gave an argument for any one cause....

You know what? You can all just go and kiss my a$$. Forget Cherry Blossom, forget Kinetic. I don't need bulsh*t from anyone anymore. My question was how do I NOT NOT NOT say that the management is lacking. I CLEARLY know that I shouldn't say that - do you honestly think I am that stupid? Reasons why my job sucks:

I have no assistant - I am doing the work of 3 people, which I CANNOT physically do. I constantly have people coming at me from all angles asking for things that needed to happen yesterday, except that it did not come to my attention until today.

I have ASKED for assistance SEVERAL TIMES, as did my previous boss before me - all of our requests received a "sure, we'll do something" and then nothing was ever done. No clear solution has been made, no matter how many things I suggest.

They threw this job into my lap and I need more training. Except everyone seems to think "oh, you'll pick it up " or "oh, you know all this stuff already". Except that I don't! I'm not a lawyer, and I do not feel comfortable just flying by the seat of my pants when someone's business is on the line!!! Esp. an architecture firm in a crappy housing market. I have ASKED for these things to happen, but it's always "we'll get to it later" - then my current boss is gone for a week, or leaves early or comes in late and never answers my questions. And because I am not a laywer, none of the principals have any respect for me - they don't include me in negotiations, which they're SUPPOSED to because it's my JOB, and then expect me to be able to clean up the mess they leave behind. And they otherwise keep me completely out of the loop.

Thing is, as much as you all think I'm such a horrible person, people LIKE me here! The CFO is BEGGING me not to quit. I won a freakin' Spirit award at our company's Christmas party, because I show "dedication, loyalty and outstanding attitude". You can call my former boss, and she will give you a glowing reference, as will all the other places I've worked in the past.

It's not that I don't like the people I work for - 95% of them, I do. But I am not superhuman and I can only take so much before it's ridiculous...and I've tried to remedy this several times over and nothing ever changes.

So I'm done trying to justify myself to everyone. That's crap. I'm a hard worker and I'm  a nice person, and I don't need to be associating anymore with people who clearly only bring out my bad side.

I said I didn't agree with all of it. The guideline that I've heard and use, is that it's not smart
to say negative things about your employer (as opposed to the job) while on an interview, period.

I agree with some of what you said, and disagree with some of it. Shouldn't be any problem
with that, should there?

I completely agree with tim.. don't blame management for leaving.. the reason you are leaving is that you feel like have hit your peak of advancement of your career..