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What was your electrolyte intake?  Did you take gels / sports drink?  How often?

Based on your training I think you can "do" the long one or "race" the shorter one. 

If what you're looking for is a quality training day, I would go with the long one.  It'll help you get in some good miles and will set you up well for your sprint.  There's nothing wrong with walking some of the run.

So much sugar in the house right now.  I hope the weather is good on Saturday so everything will end up getting eaten (and I wont have to bring anytihng home).  I'll post pcitures of the psread after the race. 

You're totally fine doing them both.  There is more than enough time to recover between the du and your tri.

Oh sorry, nutrtion probably would've helped.

I probably drank about 3-4 fuel belt bottles (7 oz) of gatorade endurance or sports drink on the course.  Then I also drank about 1-2 of water to wash down the hammer gels.  Took a gel about every 30 minutes.

So about 5 fuel belt bottles or liquids and about 5 gel packs

Did you have salt stains post race?

Kelly - can you explain why you are asking about salt stains? What it would mean? I am thinking extreme dehydration?

Has anyone used endurolyte capsules? I still have not found a drink/gel/supplement that does not have too much sugar that causes me cramping while running. Someone suggested these capsules during my long runs.Thoughts?

I use endurolytes.  i am a salt sweating machine. candidly, most cramping issues are training related of a 1/2 mararthon or shorter (or longer).  We like to blame lots of stuff, but the reality is usually undertraining.  I have almost always found the best perscription for all the random issues that occur during races: more SBR.  Of course, we dont always have the time to SBR more so plan "b" is suck it up and and do your best.  In my marathon last year, I was doing great until mile 16, then my quads froze up.  I 'd like to blame my hydration (it was warmer than expected, did not hydrate as well as I should have, forgot my endurolytes) but the answer really was not enough running.  meh.

Great work on the HM, start hydrating 2-3 days before the race in may, try and run lots between now and then and you will kill it!

Thanks - good to know others use it. I'm new to the world of supplementing while running. I am fine if I just drink water during runs, but random friends keep telling me I 'have to' use these gels/cubes/drinks and everytime I do, they make me feel nauseous. I think it is because I don't take in much sugar or carbs on a regular basis and then I take in this huge quantity and my stomach can't process it correctly. Would I be OK to just take in water for a HM?

You don't "have" to use anything.  I have friends who still go with salt tablets.  They say they're "old school".  LOL.  FWIW I've done 13.3 fasted and on just water.

Salt stains just mean that you're a heavy sweater and loose a lot of electrolytes while you're exercising.  Nothing to do with dehydration, everyone just sweats differently. 

Carrie used Hammer Gels, which don't contain a significant amount of electrolytes (that's why Hammer recommends using them with endurolytes) -- what I was wondering is that if she's a salty sweater the cramps may have been caused by an enlectrolyte imbalance.  My suggestion would be to try a gel that contained more electrolytes or to take endurolytes / salt tabs.

True true.  Everyone's body works differently and needs different things in different conditions.  Some people are really sensitive to electrolyte loss (Shaun is one of them, I'm not).

experiment during training.  For years I used GU, water and Cytomax with great success.  Last year it didnt work as well.  I am trying a variant of GU (Roctane) and Infinite this year.  so far so good.  When you find something that works, stick with it.  but just practice it.  The problem with getting electrolytes from sports drink in running is that you cant drink enough, at least for me.  That is why I use edurolytes.  I am a heavy salty sweater. 

Your goal race is MUncie 70.3, yes?  Here's what I would do -- rather than trying everything under the sun, Muncie will have Ironman Perform and Power Gels.  Generally speaking Power Gels are good for salty sweaters, they contain the most sodium of any gel (even more than GU Roctane) and they will be available on course.  I would try out some power gel and see how it works.  If your stomach tolerates it, I would start training with it, as practicing race day nutrition is just as important as the SBR.  I'd do the same with the Ironman Perform.  Its a lot easier to be able to use the products on the course than to carry everything for yourself (especially at longer distances).  At the moment I'm in the process of transitioning over to Power Bar products for IMLP and IMFL.

If it doesn't work for you GI wise, I would start epxerimenting with the Hammer Gels and some kind of salt supplement, personally I like salt stick, I find that for me it works better than endurolytes. 

I generally agree with Jeff - typically cramps and other aches and pains are from undertraining and our break-in period of getting used to activity.  However, I looked at the original poster's logs (forgot your name, sorry) and you seem to have trained OK at least for the month leading up to the race.  I had a similar problem last year - I was undertrained for a marathon that was hotter than I expected and really had a hard time of the last 10-11 miles and then was one humongous cramp afterwards.  I asked about it on the forums, and the best answer that came back was that the extra stress of the heat magnifies any undertraining.

And heck - it could have just been a cramp, and you could have gotten it watching TV.

Long ride today and it was windy the whole way home

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/76229126

This is going to prove how novice i am, but are stitches and cramps caused the same way? I cant even complete a decent run training session because i get a debilitating stitch on the left side of my stomach. So wih me its not just in a race and therefore undertraining, i cant train in the first place! I'm not eating or drinking within an hour of running, so im rather clueless as to whats causing it.

You might be running too fast.  Does it happen every time or only when you seem to be exerting yourself?  Try going out 1 minute per mile slower next time (it will feel REALLY slow) and see what happens.  If you're a newbie, it could just be that you are out of shape and trying to hard.  Make the run enjoyable and comfortable and the speed and endurance will follow.

no one really knows what causes side stitches.  if you press on the area where you get it it often releaves the stitch.  again its probably a lack of training but there is no definitive answer.

Carrie- didnt knw you had a goal race, agree with Kelly train with what will be provided on teh course. power gels and ironman perform (power bar product) are both good.  The power gels are a little soupier than GU or Hammer.