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2011-03-06 11:22 PM
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Just a quick check in. I did my first marathon!!!!! It was a great experience. I'm tired and going to bed but I'll have more details tomorrow

 

Thanks for all the mojo and well wishes here and on Facebook! It was so nice and encouraging to know you guys were thinking about me. George, I'm keep the bag I had Joan Benoit Samuelson autograph it!

Johanne



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gdsemiller - 2011-02-27 7:41 AM Well I did get my bike yesterday and took it for a spin this morning.  Wow big difference from my mtn bike. I do have to say I will be riding in my subdivison for a while until I get used to the handeling.  I might have to invest in a new saddle bcuz Im sore you know where, but 1st I will by some tri shorts to see if the padding in them will help.  During my ride my hands did not get numb but they did get sore (the meaty part of the hand) I guess that has to do with me leaning forward on the bike.  The bike at the gym I would just rest my hands on the bars but no body weight.  I guess over time my hands will adjust.  But I do love the bike.

George,

That is one sweet ride! Awesome bike.

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gdsemiller - 2011-02-27 7:56 PM

Steve, well I talked to my wife about Nations Tri and she said it was a no go on our budget since you will be leaving her job in January to student teach, but she did say if I wanted to go the TNT route she was all in.  Im looking to see how my my social network will help on raising the money.  I feel that my network I have will get me about half way, but then I still have my brothers social network which is about 3 times as large as mine and then my family and friends network.  I really think it could be possible, but I still have to see what all TNT can do.  Possibly I will get to meet you in person in Sept. The pedals are Shimano and not really sure what kind, all I know is I do clip in them and then twist the ankle out to pop-out.  My subdivision has a few stops where I will need to slow down to make sure no one is coming, but since I will be riding around 4am, I will not have to stop and wait for traffic to pass.  Well I'm joining a gym next week with an indoor pool so I can start my oly training on March 7th.  The gym has a 6 lane 25 yard pool.

George again,

I'd be curious to see what you have to say about TNT if you do decide to go with it (you may already have but I haven't read that far yet). I was seriously considering doing it when I first started thinking about doing triathlons and thought TNT was the only way I could ever train or finish a tri. I'm really glad I didn't do it with them only because I don't think I have the network to raise that kind of money. Other than that, it seems like an amazing organization and the people I've talked to who've done it have had really positive experiences (and are really convincing!). So please keep us updated if you sign up.

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Steve,

My first rugby tournament is complete without any semi-permanent injuries. I do have a pretty awesome bruise on my thigh, about six-inches long and a nice deep purple. My mom freaked out a little when I showed it to her. I'm not surprised, considering she said she'd pray for me all weekend instead of coming to see me play (the tourney is in San Diego, about half an hour from my parents' house, and my mom has never missed a single soccer game).

In a sick kind of way, I'm really glad our ice baths on Saturday were not optional. I put on some tunes and relaxed in the bathtub for the 10-minute required torture. I'm not nearly as sore in my legs as I would've been had I not done it. I just wish we had a whole pool of recovery ice baths so I could immerse myself from the neck down. My upper body is soooooore!

Tomorrow (Monday), I'm headed back to the reality that is Colorado, where it is forecasted to snow. Why is it that every time I go away for a weekend to 70 degree weather, I come back to snow on Monday? It's a conspiracy!

Oh, and that pesky cold/cough/chest discomfort is completely gone. I think rugby kicked its butt. So I can start my tri training, which was scheduled to begin tomorrow, healthy and strong.

Kasia

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I forgot to mention that the temporary damage from the weekend was massive blisters. I only made it through two of our five games because I'd rubbed my ankles raw.

So, are there any suggestions on how to prevent this? These cleats aren't completely new, but they're also not broken in. And if this is going to continue happening, I don't know how to break them in without massive pain. I've never gotten blisters, so I don't even know what do.

Any and all suggestions would be very appreciated.

Kasia

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ckallpoints - 2011-02-28 2:23 PM Well from now on 3 Mondays a month will be the farthest I've ever run. Today was 58min 4.30mi. woohoo.

Craig,

Congrats! That's so amazing that you keep extending your distance every week. And for three weeks straight!



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Steve, you're a machine! (In response to posting your workout totals.) That is all.

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50andgettingfit - 2011-03-07 12:22 PM

Just a quick check in. I did my first marathon!!!!! It was a great experience. I'm tired and going to bed but I'll have more details tomorrow

 

Thanks for all the mojo and well wishes here and on Facebook! It was so nice and encouraging to know you guys were thinking about me. George, I'm keep the bag I had Joan Benoit Samuelson autograph it!

Johanne

 

Awesome!  Way to go!

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Glub Glub Glub Glub Glub Glub Glub Glub Glub Glub..

Wow, I just got back from the gym and I think I drank more water in the pool then I did outside of it. It wasnt that bad, but I wish they would add some flavoring like grape, orange or something..  Well I was in the pool for 40 minutes and did 20 laps (500 yards).  First 10 laps, not sure what its called, but its like a breatstroke but I would go under and what I read the breaststroke you keep your head out of the water.. The 1st 10 laps I just wanted to get the feel for breathing out once my face hit the water and taking a quick breath when I came up.  Last 10 laps I tried swimming doing the bilateral breathing, boy that was tough.  I kept switching from bilateral to breathing on the right side (less water intake) :0   Anyways it was fun but its not as easy as it looks.  I'm for sure moving my swimming from twice a week to three times. 

Steve, I can see where trying to incorporate several new things can mess you up like your NY story.. I was trying to focus on my stroke, kicks and breathing and decided to work just on the breathing.

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JOHANNE -

WOO-WOO! Ya did it!

I guess the "tomorrow" you referred to yesterday is now today, and so maybe, hopefully, when I get back home this afternoon there will be some details.

Big congrats, and be nicey-nice-nice to yourself today. Keep hydrating (but not to excess), and don't hesitate to give yourself mini-massages, especially calves and quads, if it helps. And if you have compression calf guards, wear them. Even if you're otherwise in shorts or a skirt and might fell geeky -- wear 'em! YOU know what you did to earn the right/need to wear them, so it doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks!



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KASIA -

You know I'm a big fan of BodyGlide, so I'd try using that very liberally ALL over your feet and ankles. And heck -- maybe even a "base layer" of BG, and then Vaseline on top in especially blister-prone areas. I get so used to saying NEVER USE VASELINE due to what it can do to destroy the neoprene of a wetsuit, that I forget that it is useful and less expensive than BodyGlide. But BG has saved me so many times, that expense be damned -- I'd start with that for your blisters and then maybe add on Vas if things get really bad.

I hear you with going from sunny S.D. back to snowy Colorado, but remember how lucky you are to still have solid ties to southern California. Lucky lady!

Off-topic (moi??): Will the Padres compete this year? that was heartbreaking last year, and while normally I would be 429% ecstatic for the Sox to get a guy like Gonzalez, right now that is tempered by the fact that the Padres lost him. (Still, I'm not really complaining too much about him being in Beantown!






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JOHANNE,

  CONGRATS on the marathon!!!! That is totally awesome.  

 

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2011-03-07 8:38 AM
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GEORGE -

Consider it a christening, and now you're safe and protecetd from further swimming misadventures! (Ah, if only it was that simple!)

Good decision on opting for just the breathing, as opposed to trying for the hat trick -- breathing and stroking and kicking. (I guess you had a sneaking suspicion I'd approve of that, huh? )

I'm of two minds about you doing bilateral:
(1) Now is maybe a good time to work on it, as you're new to serious swimming and if you can master it now you won't develop the uneven stroke that accompanies the swimming of 99.999% of one-sided breathers (myself included). A person from my last year's group began doing bilateral when right whne she started serious swimming when she wanted to do triathlons, and it has become very natural for her.
(2) As you know, bilateral has you breathing every third stroke, whereas with breathing on one side you can do it every other stroke. Thus, unilateral breathing allows for more air, which for many beginning swimmers seems absolutely essential. This is why so mnay swimmers breathe just to one side.

Interestingly, you don't complain about being out of breath, you only talk about taking in too much water. So, for you, I will cautiously say to keep trying bilateral and see how it feels after another swim or two or three. It is also true, though, that many of us have a natural breathing side, and that might be the reslut of some pre-existing condition -- a tightness on one side of our body, or the lingering effects of an old injury that restricts shoulder/neck movement to one side. If either of those is the case, you might just find it easier to breathe to the most comfortable side. But again -- if you weren't breathless at the end of a length, you're a good candidate to carry on with the bilateral experiment.

As for 2 swims to 3 swims a week, by all means do it if you can! More so than for running and cycling, swimming rewards more frequent visits --- as long as you hit the pool with a plan, and as long as your shoulders don't start aching. If that happens, back off immediately, but on the other hand you can expect some level of shoulder soreness as you work into all this. So, try to gauge whether it is just new muscles that are complaining, or something more into the shoulder joint itself. (Homework for you: Go on-line and look at the anatomy of a shoulder; it is a remarkably complex contraption!) I impinged my left shoulder a few years ago and it took my about three months of physio to get it normal again and ,me back to full swimming. That was MUCH worse than when I separated the other shoulder in a crash.

The breatstroke can be done lots of ways, and many people do do it with their heads always out of the water. The "correct" way involves having the head under for ttwo or three or more (?) strokes, but that's not for you to mess with now. What you did is just fine for a warm-up or a cool-down or a mid-session recovery effort. Modify it, though, so that you are focusing on feeling the pressure of the water on your forearms with each stroke, as this sensation is key to pushing as much water as you can during the pull phase of your freestyle stroke. Whenever I breast-stroke it is actually more of a scull, for the reason i just stated.

Finally, for flavoring, you'll probably grow to love chlorine. I can't same the same about your family ("Dad, you smell like the pool!" "George, not now --- you're too chlorinated."), but just for yourself.....to know it is to love it!

Finally-finally, 40 minutes is great! Congratulations!


GLUB!









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Hey Steve,

As for being out of breath, I was good.  I did not feel winded after the swim and did not feel an issue with being out of breath before it was time to breath when I was doing the bilateral breathing.  When I was doing the bilateral breathing I started to breath once my face hit the water and by the time I hit the 3rd stroke, I had all the air out.  I guess the problem was my stong side is the right and I was able to turn enough to get air without water.  When I hit the left side sometimes it would work, but most of the time I didnt turn enough and water came with the air.  Im going to continue to try the bilateral breathing and I know it will take sometime before I only get air.  I really enjoyed the swimming more then I thought I would.. Its funny we had a house for 4 years that had a pool and I only got in about 5 times and that is when the kids asked me to so I can throw them up in the air.  I was able to keep track of my laps.  I swam with my timex Ironman watch and hit lap every time I did a full lap (up and back). 

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Well I got in the pool for the first time since Aug 2 (I had to go back in my logs and look). Kathy and I got away to the Casino/Resort Friday night and I got in a swim Saturday morning. My form felt pretty good I only did 700 yards and was in the pool 20 minutes but I took a break after every 50. I think my best 50 was about 45 sec. I was just trying to swim strong and smooth not fast. I could really feel the catch and pull. I could tell my triceps were used Saturday afternoon and Sunday. I need to start swimming regularly again soon so I can get some endurance back.
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Here's a link to my race report for the Napa Marathon.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=244032&posts=1#M3386291

It was overall such a great experience. Dave and I drove up Saturday and got to Calistoga (the start of the race) at noon and stopped for some lunch. The wine country is known for their restaurants and it was hard to pick something 'safe' to eat with such a good menu I had a really good 'fancy' chicken sandwich.

 

After lunch we drove down the course. It was on the Silverado Trail which is a road that goes up and down the whole Napa Valley. It's just beautiful! There were some rollers but nothing terrible.

 

We went to the Expo. This is a small race (2300 runners) and this was the 33rd year. They do an amazing job with volunteers. It was very well organized with a few booths to browse through. We went to a speakers session. I met Joan Benoit Samuelson (Dave and I saw her run the marathon at the Los Angeles Olympics when we were just married so it was kind of cool to meet her) and had her autograph my race bag. Speaking of....good swag. I'll try to attach a picture of all my 'free' stuff. The speakers were 4 runners that had run the course numerous times. One guy had run it all 33 years. They each gave us their perspective on how to run the course. It was nice knowing where the tricky rollers were and just to have great encouragement to enjoy the moment.

After checking in and relaxing for a bit, we met up with our group of friends for dinner. There were 5 of us running and 4 husbands spectating. Dave signed up for the 5K so he would have something to do until I finished. Dinner was great! It was still hard to control what to eat but I settled on a simple thin crust pizza that was really good and set well with my stomach. Two of the gals have run a bunch of marathons and were trying to qualify for Boston. The other 3 of us were marathon virgins I was in bed with the lights out by 9:15 and of course I layed there with my mind spinning for a while.

The race was great. I maintained about a 10:30 pace all the time I was running. I ran 6 miles straight and then walked every 2 miles for a bit. My walk breaks really slowed me down. They kept getting longer My first goal was not to get picked up by the sweeper bus when the course closed in 6 hours. I met that goal! My second goal was to come in at 5:00 hours and I came in at 5:42. I always am overly ambitious with my time goals when I do a new distance and honestly I'm not a strong 'racer'. So many people can 'leave it all on the course' and the first few times I do a new race distance or event, my mind holds me back to make sure I finish. I'm really ok with that. I love doing the events and am just proud of myself for doing this stuff. After 3 years of running, I'm just now ready to push myself and see how fast of a 5K and 10K I can run this year. Haha! I'm more of a smeller of the flowers then a watch them bend as I race by. 

After the race, we went back to our friends condo (we had already checked out of our hotel) and I showered, put my recovery socks on and had some lunch then we all went to a private tasting at a winery and talked about our race. Such fun! One of the gals qualified for Boston (her 3rd qualification) and the other didn't. The other 2 gals had amazing races. 4:20 and 4:30 I think. Just a great time relaxing together. Dave and I had another amazing Napa dinner (with wine for me this time) and then headed home. 

I woke up this morning a little stiff but I feel better when I move around. A little tlc will help. Compression socks, the roller, a couple of swims later this week, a massage and I'll be ready for vacation next Saturday! Life is really good

Johanne



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Johanne,

That's awesome!! Congratulations on the finish. It sounds like a great weekend.

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augeremt - 2011-03-06  10:01 PM

<p>I forgot to mention that the temporary damage from the weekend was massive blisters. I only made it through two of our five games because I'd rubbed my ankles raw.</p><p>So, are there any suggestions on how to prevent this? These cleats aren't completely new, but they're also not broken in. And if this is going to continue happening, I don't know how to break them in without massive pain. I've never gotten blisters, so I don't even know what do.</p><p>Any and all suggestions would be very appreciated.</p><p>Kasia</p>

 

I used to use the white medical tape around taped around my ankle under my socks so no one saw it.  I used it for both baseball and soccer cleats.  I still use a strip down the back side of my Achilles tendon when ever I wear any kind of formal dress shoes. They really suck and I will kill myself if my job makes me wear these kind of shoes daily.

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--------------------------------------- SWIM WISDOM, FROM A LEGEND ---------------------------------------------------------


"With swimming, which is more technique-oriented, if you do it wrong you will get slower."


-- Wolfgang Dittrich
(German-born Ironman ace from the 80s and 90s, now swim caoch at Flatiron Athletic Club in Voulder, CO)


This is from the Feb.2011 issue of "Triathlete".






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JOHANNE -

Terrific report -- and that's just the one right here (I will get to the other one later).

It sounds like you did everything to perfection pre-race. That would include driving the course, attending the talks, eating sensibly, and getting to bed early. Ideal discipline and prioritizing, Johanne!

You did really, really well with a first marathon, to be sure. That is such a difficult distance to set goals for, even for people who have a few of them under their belts. So, you should not be at all hard on yourself about not being a "strong 'racer'"!! As for not leaving anything on the course, well, the world is strewn with the shattered remains of marathoners who have made that gamble and suffered dearly for it. You were so smart that let discretion be the better part of valor, especially for a first time. The option might've been to let it all hang out.....and blow up at mile 16.....and have to walk/stagger/crawl/slither to the finish. Many have suffered thusly, and have promptly huing up their marathon shoes; lest I'm mistaken, you're about rady to tackle Marathon Number Two!!

You have now learned what it feels like to run/race at that pace, and from that uyou can inch your way forward. That will likely be a combination of increasing your periods of running at that pace, as well as cutting into the pace and lowering it. And this is exactly the way it should work, exactly how we improve over time. Perfect!

Speaking of perfect, I'd say that 2300 for a marathon is just about perfect -- lots of like-minded souls to feed off of, but not so many that it is chaotically frustrating. Perfect too is your Quest for Recovery, which you seem to have well in hand. May it stay that way.....but beware of DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness), which, if it is to affect you, should set in within 36-48 hours of finishing the race. I hope that doesn't happen, of course, but just be on the lookout for it!

Kudos to Dave for being your Support Crew, and i hope his own 5k was satisfying.

Onwards to your vacation!!!


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GEORGE -

It sounds like you are well on your way to mastering bilateral. Cool beans!

Remember that your head movement for the air should be part of your body roll, so try NOT to lurch your head when breathing to the left. think about just a bit more body roll in that direction, and try to let it happen as natural that way as it seems to be to the right.

FWIW, I have the exact same problem -- effortless breathing to the right, more of a struggle to the left with thesame result as you, which is sometimes as much water as air.

One thing that hepls me is when I increase my cadence, which prevents the extra split-second that a slower stroke produces. While this might on the surface sound good, the effect it has for me is allowing more time to actually destabilize. I'm not sure I can explain that, but when I am swimming more "leisurely", I tend to l"lose" the roll before I can get a decent breath. When I swim with a higher cadence, it's just all quicker and I don't have time to destabilize.

Having said all that, though, be careful about trying to swim too fast, as that might undercut any of the technique keys you are trying to get established.

Be patient, be patient, be patient. Swim improvemnets are more often than not hard-won.........but oh so rewarding when they happen!!




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CRAIG -

45" for 50 yards is good -- especially for soemone who has gone seven months and five days ( ) since his last swim! And if your form felt good, that's just icing on the cake.

Sooooo......when's your next swim date??



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ALEX (and other Crossfit enthusiasts) -

I'm about a month behind in my reading, so i jsy came across this is the February issue of "Triathlete" -- "Crossfit Endurance", by T.J. Murphy. It is a long article, and I tried to find it on at the mag's website, www.triathlete.com, but couldn't dig it up. You might want to try yourself, OR, if you PM me your address I aould be happy to photocopy it and send it to you.

Here are a couple of blurbs from it:

"The Crossfit-based plan for endurance sports hinges on low-volume, high-intensity training designed to constantly shock the body."

"The Crossfit movement looks one part Navy SEAL training, one part post-grad exercise physiology, and one part vast social network, all with a heavy metal soundtrack."

It is a very big, very positive piece; it should make you proud to be a Crossfit person!!






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