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2012-11-10 1:06 PM
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acd123 - 2012-11-10 11:40 AM The government already has the power, has always had the power and already does and always has legislated on moral issues.  What are you talking about?

I've explained what I was talking about several times in the thread...perhaps you could read it.

I read our original post where you said "if you give the power to the federal gov"

This is a nonsensical statement since the federal government has always had this power

 

I suspect we have another anonymous user posting on here again.

Well thank goodness somebody came in and straightened it all out. I guess I'll move on now.

2012-11-10 1:07 PM
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tuwood - 2012-11-10 12:05 PM
JoshR - 2012-11-10 12:59 PM
acd123 - 2012-11-10 11:53 AM
powerman - 2012-11-10 12:51 PM

acd123 - 2012-11-10 11:40 AM The government already has the power, has always had the power and already does and always has legislated on moral issues.  What are you talking about?

I've explained what I was talking about several times in the thread...perhaps you could read it.

I read our original post where you said "if you give the power to the federal gov"

This is a nonsensical statement since the federal government has always had this power

 

I suspect we have another anonymous user posting on here again.

It's not me.  I make all my dumb statements under my normal user account. 

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2012-11-10 1:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Social conservatives, what's the end game?
tuwood - 2012-11-10 12:05 PM
JoshR - 2012-11-10 12:59 PM
acd123 - 2012-11-10 11:53 AM
powerman - 2012-11-10 12:51 PM

acd123 - 2012-11-10 11:40 AM The government already has the power, has always had the power and already does and always has legislated on moral issues.  What are you talking about?

I've explained what I was talking about several times in the thread...perhaps you could read it.

I read our original post where you said "if you give the power to the federal gov"

This is a nonsensical statement since the federal government has always had this power

 

I suspect we have another anonymous user posting on here again.

It's not me.  I make all my dumb statements under my normal user account. 

 

Oh come on now, they're not ALL dumb

2012-11-10 1:26 PM
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NXS - 2012-11-10 9:29 AM

You stated the problem and I put it in bold type.  What you stated is simply not born out by the stats, 80% or the vast majority may want gov. services but currently only about 47% are paying for it.  Show me anywhere 80% are willing to share an equal burden, say a flat tax, and then I will believe what you say. 

Keep spreading the over the top hyperbole.  Have you really thought about what you pay lately?  Federal income tax is just a slice of it.  Property tax, gas tax, toll roads, blah blah blah.  And don't forget the payroll.

I'm so sick of the far right acting like the poor in this country are a bunch of freeloaders.  *Everyone*, rich, poor, middle class - tries to pay as little tax as possible.  That's human nature.  Continually attacking the people who are barely able to feed themselves?  In my mind that doesn't line up with what Jesus taught, but I don't expect rationality from political zealots anymore.

I work, I contribute, and when I've finished my deductions I have no problem paying income tax.  Yes I expect some level of services from the government.  When was the last time you drove on an interstate?  Used cell phone / GPS frequencies?  On and on.

People like to forget that the government IS us.  With all of our quirks and faults.  Once you stop believing it is some sort of alien growth to cut off and start participating, this country might improve.

Yes, everyday I think about my personal tax burden as well as that of the 2 businesses I have.  Its a struggle to meet tax burdens sometimes and meet payroll, expenses, etc. esp. in the current economic environment. I haven't attacked anyone, I simply stated that I believe more people have come to expect more from government than those who believe gov. should be smaller and limited.  And that is a fundamental shift in our nation. 

Hell, I hope you are right and people are just dying to pay more taxes and refuse more government services in their lives.  If that's the case, we won't have to borrow from foreign nations and/or monetize our own debt to meet our national obligations and pay down the national debt. 

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