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2013-09-25 7:59 AM
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Guys thanks for the advice on the 10K's I am planning to do both. I will probably just run the Sat one for fun and go all out on Sunday and see what I can do. Either way it really will be just for fun.

Brenda I will send you the email for the links to the EN racing IMWI docs. Any issues with downloading them please let me know. Also the bike and run course videos can be found here http://www.wisconsinbrickadventure.com/videos.html

Dina if you enjoy swimming and have the time to do it you should. The improvements for intermediate and advanced swimmers take a lot of time and effort and the gains are usually small but it doesn't mean you can't still improve. I think the EN coaches are just trying to put swimming in perspective as most triathletes don't come from a swimming background and probably will never be great swimmers so they encourage spending time elsewhere to get faster. For me I am still in the beginner category and I think I can still make big gains so I am not about to stop swimming. I'm hoping to really improve this year so I'll be swimming 2 to 3 times a week from now until race day. Besides I have no excuse not to go I live 5 minutes from the pool LOL. I also agree with what Dirk said so I'd keep swimming and trying to improve if you think you can.

On the hills discussion my feeling is you stay in your seat and you spin up the hill and not waste energy. This is where the power meter is invaluable as Warren would attest to this especially for the long distance racing where you want to keep your legs fresh. I only get out of the seat if I have to or need to stretch my legs otherwise I've got it in the easiest gear that will get me up the hill. Unless you are training and trying to ride a little bit harder gear for some more intensity that's typically my approach to doing it. I won't say it is the right way or the only to do it but that is how I do it.


2013-09-25 3:48 PM
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Originally posted by trigal38

And also about biking up a hill. I don't have any really big hills to speak of around here but it's interesting when Tiff and I ride she always gets up out of her seat to climb. I sit on my rear end and maintain my cadence as best I can. Maybe it is a case of doing what suits you?

In my 20's I used to get off the saddle and "power" my way up hills all the time, now in my 40's I just don't have that endurance or strength to do that anymore so most times I keep to spinning my way up hills.

2013-09-25 3:59 PM
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Here are my thoughts on swim training:
Obviously, approach differs according to your current fitness and goals. I consider myself a beginner and have plenty of room for improvement in all three sports. The swim will be the shortest part of the race, so I'm probably not going to spend a ton of time trying to get faster. For example, I currently swim about 2:10/100 meters in a lap pool. I'd have to put in a lot of hard work to get that down to 1:55/100 meters... but at IM distance, that would only save me 10 minutes. For that reason, I'd rather put all that extra time into the bike or run where it's probably going to save me more than 10 minutes off my overall time.
Now, with that said, my goal is to put in enough time to go the distance and come out not feeling wasted so that I'm setting myself up for a good bike.
2013-09-25 6:59 PM
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Here are my thoughts on swim training:
Obviously, approach differs according to your current fitness and goals. I consider myself a beginner and have plenty of room for improvement in all three sports. The swim will be the shortest part of the race, so I'm probably not going to spend a ton of time trying to get faster. For example, I currently swim about 2:10/100 meters in a lap pool. I'd have to put in a lot of hard work to get that down to 1:55/100 meters... but at IM distance, that would only save me 10 minutes. For that reason, I'd rather put all that extra time into the bike or run where it's probably going to save me more than 10 minutes off my overall time.
Now, with that said, my goal is to put in enough time to go the distance and come out not feeling wasted so that I'm setting myself up for a good bike.


I agree 100% with you approach and especially your last statement Will.
2013-09-25 7:22 PM
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I finally got to the bike shop this evening and I purchased a MTN bike. I got Trek X-Caliber 7 29er. They had to order the bike for me I went with 21.5 inch frame. The 19.5 just seemed a little low to me. I felt more comfortable on the bigger frame. It should come in next Wednesday so I am looking forward to getting it and hitting the trails with my friends the following weekend. I am hoping to get up to speed on riding it as soon as I can but being realistic I'm sure it will take some getting used to but I'm really excited and looking forward to it. I just hope I don't kill myself on it.
2013-09-25 9:34 PM
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Got in a 14 mile run followed by another 4 mile run 6 hours later. I was really surprised during the second run... had some soreness in my knees and my legs were tired, but I expected my legs to be totally wasted and they weren't. I sat in the cold pool at the fitness center after the first run... I think that was a huge help for recovery.

Next up, couple short WO's tomorrow and then headed to Little Rock, AR for a century ride.



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2013-09-26 4:33 AM
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WOO HOO!!  Claire is looking rather cute.  6 months old.  Wow, it's been a long time since my girls were so young!  There are some days I miss the cooing and the cute ways they learn to talk.  Mostly right now I enjoy listening to Kyrie talk about nothing at all.  Just a lot of meaningless talk that seems to come from nowhere.  She is really random in her discussion topics.  It's become a rather hilarious joke about what she's going to say next.  Love my girls!!
2013-09-26 4:50 AM
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WARREN - based on your comment you recommend a compact crank, right?   Can you give me an idea of how much a new set-up would be? (I don't know all the components I'd need to change).   Last week I had the bike shop check out my cassette and they said I can't go to a 11/28 with how my bike is currently set up.  I have a 12/27 and a 53/39 something or other.Undecided  I need to weight the cost/benefit ratio before I spend more $ on this wonderful sport.    Oh, and to answer your question - no tattoo for me.   I'm a wimp and couldn't stand the needles.

So a couple general questions came about and I'll throw them on here:

1)  What's the technique for drafting someone on the swim?

2)  What is the best way to bike up a hill? (i.e. harder gear and standing or easier gear and spinning)

I'll let Warren and Jeff chime in for official commentary on the all of the changes that would be required to make the change complete.  My thoughts are that you have to change the rear derailleur at a minimum and possibly the front as well.  The cost would be in the neighborhood of $150 for the parts and then the labor to put them on.  One other option would be a new chain rings on the front.  You could go to a 52/38 (which is what I ride) and gain an advantage in gearing there too.  The cost of this would be a little less coming in around $100 (+/-).  That would give you a little more room for ease on the hills in Wisconsin without having to change derailleurs.

For racing in Wisconsin I think staying in the saddle and spinning is the proper choice.  When climbing out of the saddle you're exposing your legs to more power and burdening them with much more workload than will carry you through the run.  I would not however, sit in the saddle for the sake of sitting in the saddle and developing horrible saddle soreness and a tense back from leaning over for 112 miles.  Get out of the saddle occasionally and stretch your legs and back.  You could do this while on a flat or maybe even a downhill where you'll be able to maintain some of your speed while acting like a sail.

2013-09-26 5:48 AM
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Just a very quick check-in because work is hectic right now...it is even affecting my training

Will, you have a GORGEOUS 6 month old..you are so blessed! Also, congrats on the training 14 + 6 that is awesome.

Tony, congrats on he new bike, be careful, no crashing!!!

Speaking of crashing, Dirk how are you doing? Healing properly?

Anyone heard from Jeff? Jeff how are you?
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Hey everyone,Been a while but it's been hard to get a few minutes to post. With my wife back to work there just doesn't seem to be enough house in a day to fit it all in. Right now I'm sitting on a ferry for 3 hours heading to New Brunswick before driving down to Boston. I'm playing in a charity hockey game on Sunday against the Boston Police Dept. the money raised is going to the family's of the MIT officer that was killed and the transit officer that was wounded by the marathon bombers. So with 3 hours to kill I was finally able to finish my race report from a few weeks ago. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... Looks like everyone is getting some good workouts in. I been trying to get my run milage back up, but I was able to put in a 120km ride last Friday. My longest yet. My legs were pretty bagged by the end. Major respect for everyone even training for an IM,that is some serious work. I know there was questions about swimming so ill add my two cents, I guess it's 5 cents in Canada now since we got ride of the penny. I started to get faster once I started doing shorter interval sets like 100 or 200 repeats and dropping the interval time a little each month. When I first started I had hard time doing 10 x 100 leaving @ 2:00 but after a few months I was hammering out main sets like 25 x100 leaving @ 1:45. If your swimming 3-4 times a week mke sure you are doing these types of set 1-2. Also watch alot of videos, swim smooth, total immersion, etc, focus on the technique some days as well. Hope everyone has a great weekend, anyone know any good running routes in Boston, I'm staying right at Copley square. Cheers!

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2013-09-26 8:22 AM
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Will great workout it sounds to be like you've got a great base of fitness right now. I call it Superman mode which you are totally in right now. You are going be just fine for your upcoming IM. BTW your daughter is a real cutie, enjoy it while you can because the time goes by way too fast.

Dirk I agree on getting out of the saddle during the IM bike to stretch plus you will get a bit of a break if and when you stop. I had to stop 5 times which was probably 2 to 3 more times than I wanted to but it helps as well.

Karl sorry hear about you being overworked and your training being affected hope things settle down a bit for you so you can get back to it.

Derek glad to see you checking in and look forward to reading your RR. Have a safe trip and good luck with charity hockey game, be safe. Good advice as well regarding the swim tips.
2013-09-26 12:29 PM
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I finished reading the triathlon v2.0 ebook by Endurance Nation and I think their way of training for long distance triathlon is pretty interesting. They have this fast than far philosophy. More intensity and less volume which means less training time and more of a life lol. I'm thinking I may go this route for IMMT but not sure about signing on with them for a personalized plan.

Warren have you used their training plans at all and if you did what is your thoughts on this? I know my friend Wynn has I was going to get his take on this this coming weekend. I'm interested in their approach but not totally sold yet. I still have time though and wanted to consider this option.
2013-09-26 4:43 PM
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I finished reading the triathlon v2.0 ebook by Endurance Nation and I think their way of training for long distance triathlon is pretty interesting. They have this fast than far philosophy. More intensity and less volume which means less training time and more of a life lol. I'm thinking I may go this route for IMMT but not sure about signing on with them for a personalized plan.

Warren have you used their training plans at all and if you did what is your thoughts on this? I know my friend Wynn has I was going to get his take on this this coming weekend. I'm interested in their approach but not totally sold yet. I still have time though and wanted to consider this option.

I have not used their plans. I agree in general with their approach and know a TON of people who have excelled with their plans. For my own personal training, I know that running with as much intensity as they suggest would leave me in the dumpster with ligaments hanging off my joints. I just realize at this point I really, really, enjoy running, and that's at least partially because I don't kill myself every time out the door.

For biking I agree 100% with hard efforts trumping long easy efforts for results, especially during the winter. If you could bike 20+ hours a week I would probably disagree, but to bike "long" just requires too much time for this dad and worker. I have also used their race day simulations with great success. And you can speak to their IM race day execution strategy.

I know the couple who got me involved in this sport were EN members and loved it and had great success at the IMs using this approach. They do go to longer and longer workouts as race day approaches, so please don't think it's a short cut to not have volume. It just makes sense to separate volume and intensity, and they put volume closer to race day.

In full disclosure, one of my favorite and most fun parts of triathlon is designing training plans, so I don't know that I will ever just follow someone else's plan. But I do listen and read from all sources and try to understand the theories behind each approach, and then I make decisions on how to structure my own plan based on what resonates with me.
2013-09-26 4:54 PM
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WARREN - based on your comment you recommend a compact crank, right?   Can you give me an idea of how much a new set-up would be? (I don't know all the components I'd need to change).   Last week I had the bike shop check out my cassette and they said I can't go to a 11/28 with how my bike is currently set up.  I have a 12/27 and a 53/39 something or other.Undecided  I need to weight the cost/benefit ratio before I spend more $ on this wonderful sport.    Oh, and to answer your question - no tattoo for me.   I'm a wimp and couldn't stand the needles.

So a couple general questions came about and I'll throw them on here:

1)  What's the technique for drafting someone on the swim?

2)  What is the best way to bike up a hill? (i.e. harder gear and standing or easier gear and spinning)


12/27 cassette is fine. I wouldn't stress going to the 28. A compact crank may or may not require a new front derailleur. Usually it doesn't. My tri bike did not need anything changed, and even my road bike, which was a triple, was able to be tweaked to accommodate a compact. It's not perfect, but I didn't want to spend the money yet to get the new derailleur.

A 105 compact runs about 175-200 for Shimano 105. Not sure what you already have, but it's usually best to stay within the same groupset.

You want to spin up hills for triathlons. If you are having to stand and stomp, you are pushing too hard for your abilities and need better gearing! Standing and mashing will almost always come back to haunt you on the run. This is different than standing to get a new position and stretch or get off your butt. I'm talking about making sure you don't need to mash to get up the hills.
2013-09-26 5:46 PM
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1)  What's the technique for drafting someone on the swim?


Wow, I wrote a long post on this and lost it somehow. Thought I hit the reply button but I guess not. I only have time right now for a quick overview.

There are two main factors to drafting: who to draft and how to draft. To pick who, I suggest swimming a little faster than you plan for race pace, and then see who you are around. Find someone who seems to be sighting well as they will be your main guidance

For how to draft, there are really two ways: behind and beside.

Behind is easier; beside is faster. I'll just cover behind because beside is not only harder but I think works better with really advanced swimmers. It probably best to get some experience behind first and then go for the beside/wake riding version later.

To draft behind, pull up fairly close directly behind the swimmer. You'll want to be close enough that when you reach into the water you can feel the bubbles/water flow of the person. It is bad form to continually slap/touch their feet and ankles, so that would be too close. Usually your hands will be hitting just outside their feet, so that can work as well. Be sure to ease up on the effort so you can relax and stay at the correct pace. You shouldn't need to continually raise your head to stay straight behind them; just keep feeling for the bubbles and the wake of their kicking. If you think the pace is too slow, pull outside and see if your pace is fine but the draft is making it feel easy. It's best to practice this skill in some OWS sessions with others who can take turns. That will give you an idea of how to get in behind, how to ease off the pace, and how to trust that the pace is ok even when it feels too easy.


2013-09-26 5:56 PM
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Thanks for the info on both crank and drafting, WARREN!  More than once I've lost a long post and it's so frustrating.  Sorry it happened to you.

Hope you enjoy your stay in Boston, DEREK!  I can't help with any route.  If I visited there I'd look up the Boston Marathon course map and run part of it just to say I did.  Smile

Sorry life is so hectic that it's affecting your training, KARL.   Keep breathing and doing what you can.   Hopefully things will slow down soon.

Claire is such a cutie, WILL and children are an amazing blessing.   Keep up your good solid training.  B2B is just around the corner!

 

 

 

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Originally posted by strikyr

I finished reading the triathlon v2.0 ebook by Endurance Nation and I think their way of training for long distance triathlon is pretty interesting. They have this fast than far philosophy. More intensity and less volume which means less training time and more of a life lol. I'm thinking I may go this route for IMMT but not sure about signing on with them for a personalized plan.

Warren have you used their training plans at all and if you did what is your thoughts on this? I know my friend Wynn has I was going to get his take on this this coming weekend. I'm interested in their approach but not totally sold yet. I still have time though and wanted to consider this option.

I have not used their plans. I agree in general with their approach and know a TON of people who have excelled with their plans. For my own personal training, I know that running with as much intensity as they suggest would leave me in the dumpster with ligaments hanging off my joints. I just realize at this point I really, really, enjoy running, and that's at least partially because I don't kill myself every time out the door.

For biking I agree 100% with hard efforts trumping long easy efforts for results, especially during the winter. If you could bike 20+ hours a week I would probably disagree, but to bike "long" just requires too much time for this dad and worker. I have also used their race day simulations with great success. And you can speak to their IM race day execution strategy.

I know the couple who got me involved in this sport were EN members and loved it and had great success at the IMs using this approach. They do go to longer and longer workouts as race day approaches, so please don't think it's a short cut to not have volume. It just makes sense to separate volume and intensity, and they put volume closer to race day.

In full disclosure, one of my favorite and most fun parts of triathlon is designing training plans, so I don't know that I will ever just follow someone else's plan. But I do listen and read from all sources and try to understand the theories behind each approach, and then I make decisions on how to structure my own plan based on what resonates with me.



Warren thanks and I was sort of thinking along the same lines using my own plan based on their philosophy. I like a lot of things that they are suggesting and I know a lot of people have had success using their plans and methods. I also understand there is really no substituting the volume but I kind of like the fact that they push that closer to race day anywhere from 12 to 20 weeks out. That may be a better approach for me this time around.

Being I had no plans on doing an IM next year and now I find myself doing one I just want to make sure I have a little more time to dedicate to my family this time around. I think for the first one it was all predicated on volume for this one I'd like to try the more is less approach, maybe train smarter and more efficiently.
2013-09-26 7:17 PM
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If anyone remembers, I am running a half marathon this weekend here in town.  I am hoping to set a solid PR but my goal time will be pretty aggressive.  If you would like to receive text messages or emails to track my progress through the race you can sign up here: Fort 4 Fitness

My race starts at 8 AM and Lisa's 4 mile race starts at 7:30 AM.  She'll obviously be done before me and will be waiting for me in the cool morning air.  The weather is supposed to be pretty good.  The low Friday night is supposed to be 49 which should be pretty good for a race.  I'll be looking to pass out or puke (or both) at the finish line if I hope to hit my goal...................Pray for me!!Laughing

2013-09-26 7:32 PM
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Originally posted by KWDreamun Speaking of crashing, Dirk how are you doing? Healing properly? 

Thanks for asking!

I had been off the bike for almost 2 weeks because the bike was causing some swelling in my knee afterward.  Since the time off I had been only focusing on running and getting ready for the HM on Saturday.  Last night I jumped on the bike for the first time and it felt pretty good.  I didn't do any kind of intense training intervals at all.  I just rode to get my legs moving and see how my knee responded. 

Then tonight I rode again but dialed the intensity up to near threshold HR's for one or two long intervals.  I am happy to report I had no ill effects from either ride!!  I hope the bike crash injuries are behind me and I can get serious about my training again soon.  And get back in the water too.  I haven't swam for a month and a half.

2013-09-26 7:40 PM
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Something I wondered, too, DIRK, - were any of your tattoos ruined due to the crash?   It seems like one of the pictures showed some blood on one tattoo but I don't know if you'd lost skin and was hoping not.

May you have a great HM race!  Good luck getting your PR.   I know you're determined to get it so I expect you will.   We'll be cheering for you!  

Glad to hear no issues with riding your bike.

Rest well tomorrow so you're ready to rip up the course on Saturday!

 

 



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Dirk glad to hear you are feeling better and thanks for passing on the link for the updates. Good luck to both you and Lisa this weekend. We'll all be rooting for you to get that PR in your HM. Make sure you cross the finish line before you pass out!
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Tony & Dirk.... Good luck this weekend!
Karl.....I hope things quite down for you soon!
Will...your daughter is adorable!
Derek....have a great time in Boston!

So I discovered something at the gym today....the pool there is not 25 yards it's 20 OMG after a year of swimming there I just discoverd this?? So my swim times/ yardage have been waaaaay off.
2013-09-26 9:19 PM
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Dirk - is your race on Saturday?

OMG, today marks one month form IM... ahhhh, I dont want to think about it... ha!

2013-09-27 4:43 AM
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Brenda,  I do seem to have have lost a little bit of the ink in the tattoo on my right arm.  There is only a small portion of it that had become a little more faded than the rest of it.  My others (2) were protected by my jersey or not in a place that was being dragged along the asphalt.

Joanne,  Who told you the pool was 20 yards?  A pool that length would be pretty uncommon and would look rather out of place.  You might check with someone else to make sure of the correct length.  That would definitely effect the swims for IM training.

Will,  My race is Saturday.

One month away and I guess we can begin to call you "Iron Will" right?  I know I'm ready to  track you (track you, provided they provide tracking) and see you cross that finishing line.  It has been a pretty solid journey so far.  Just think, you only have one more week of insane training before you get to dive into your taper!

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