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2013-10-07 7:26 PM in reply to: wbayek |
Extreme Veteran 1123 Sidney, Ohio | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Dina, there is nothing special about my run training. I basically follow the advice this group gave me almost 3 years a go, lots of running, mostly easy sometimes hard, basically a 90% vs 10% rule. Lots and lots of easy miles, so I think you are already on the right direction. Dirk, I may test your theory on the hard bike intervals, that is an area I know I need to improve on. I probably take it too easy on the bike, and if I have another reason to push maybe I will follow through on it. |
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2013-10-07 7:29 PM in reply to: wbayek |
Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by wbayek Originally posted by trigal38 This is awesome progress and it's great to see that your feet are handling this buildup. The part I bolded is the critical point to me. This is EXACTLY how you should feel, and exactly the time you don't want to do too much of either of those going forward yet! In terms of increasing/progressing, I think your goal of 20 miles is a great goal and you should keep it alive for now. But if things like your foot recovery changes, or your leg feeling change, we can revisit. There are at least two ways to increase running volume. Adding a little bit every week, or staying at one level for a few weeks and then upping everything to reach a new level and then hanging out at that level for a bit. I prefer the adding every week, but that's a personal preference. I also know that "common knowledge" says to go 3 weeks then back off for a week, but I also think it should be a personal preference/body response thing. My thoughts are that the recovery week is more a function of whether you really need recovery, either from intensity or volume. Running at a relaxed pace often means you are recovered pretty well from day to day and the recovery weeks may not be required until your volume gets higher. I let my body dictate that to me because I'm not sure that we all fall into the 3/1 pattern. I'd suggest you continue to build very slowly and see how everything feels over the next few weeks. I've got a run question. I'm still on my quest to reach 20 miles a week and going about it slowly. It's been 5 weeks since my lay off in August. I've been steadily but slowly increasing time, # of days running and distance every week. From 3 runs/7.5 miles the first week up to this week which was 4 runs/13.66 miles broken up as follows - 3.5, 2.25, 2, 6 miles. It's been hard to get going again honestly. It has taken several weeks for me to get any kind of running legs back under me. I don't know how to explain it except my legs just did not want to go! As I get older the lay offs really get harder to come back from . This past week went really well though so I am encouraged. My runs felt good, my legs felt like I could go longer and even pick up the pace. My feet recovered without using Aleeve which is really the best sign of adaptation for me. I don't want to blow it, which is very possible as I start to adjust. So I'm looking for recommendations. I'm not sure if I should keep slowly increasing or since I've been steadily increasing should I take a week to dial it back? I feel really good right now, my feet, hips, back - all good (knock on wood). And I should probably break up the miles a little more evenly so I'd take some suggestions on that too. Just a reminder that I have no goal races or anything like that. My biggest goal is to run consistently through the fall/winter for tri season next year. Maybe I don't even need to run 20 miles a week to do that - I'd take your opinions on that idea too. Understanding that the idea of a HIM is not very likely but I would like to perform better at an OLY distance. Thanks! Ok, thanks Warren. I spoke too soon of course. I got up off the couch yesterday and my right leg calf kinda to the inside was all jacked up - tight, felt like the muscles were pulling just from walking. Figures . My feet are doing good though so I've got that going for me! |
2013-10-08 4:35 AM in reply to: trigal38 |
Master 3486 Fort Wayne | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Dina, Do you stretch everything frequently? My guess is that you do but if not make sure you don't become complacent in this area. It's possible that you just needed to stretch a little more than you're used to. Knowing your running history too, I would suggest you keep your volume the same for a couple of weeks before adding any more mileage at all. It might be more beneficial for you to follow something closer to a 5% rule for increasing volume. Keep with your goal of getting those miles to where you want. You'll get there, just be patient. Matt, Give the hard intervals a shot over the winter session. My guess is that the other side of winter will prove to be a stronger rider afterward. A test to this wold be to do a TT of a given distance yet this year and try to mirror the same ride in the early spring and see what comes of it. Try to make sure you can get as calm a day on both occasions as possible and make notes to help you make them as similar as possible. |
2013-10-08 8:14 AM in reply to: DirkP |
Expert 2380 Mastic Beach, NY | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Matt x2 on the hard intervals that Dirk is recommending. I know alot of us did the Jorge winter plan and trainer road and such. That not only improved my power and strength on the bike but I am convinced it improved my running as well. Like I said I normally don't get winded running my legs usually want to give up on me before I start losing my wind but I noticed with all the volume and slow running I could push myself beyond what I thought I could do. The other thing I've noticed recently is that I can run faster than I think I can. I'm slow no doubt about it but I don't think I've pushed myself hard enough to get faster. I did so much slow running for the Ironman training this year and in general I follow the same philosophy as we all do in this group by running slow. Lately I've been pushing myself to run harder and faster just to see what I can do. I'm finding that I can run faster at a more sustained pace than I thought I could which is awesome. I thought I'd never get any faster than I already was but I think I actually might have improved a little. I'm going to test the theory in Nov. when I run those 10K's. I'll keep my runs slow and short for the most part but I am going to bust out a few short hard paced runs here and there. I'm certainly going to push as hard as I can Saturday when I do the sprint tri. I'll be very interested to see how I do especially the run. |
2013-10-08 3:28 PM in reply to: DirkP |
Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by DirkP Dina, Do you stretch everything frequently? My guess is that you do but if not make sure you don't become complacent in this area. It's possible that you just needed to stretch a little more than you're used to. Knowing your running history too, I would suggest you keep your volume the same for a couple of weeks before adding any more mileage at all. It might be more beneficial for you to follow something closer to a 5% rule for increasing volume. Keep with your goal of getting those miles to where you want. You'll get there, just be patient. Matt, Give the hard intervals a shot over the winter session. My guess is that the other side of winter will prove to be a stronger rider afterward. A test to this wold be to do a TT of a given distance yet this year and try to mirror the same ride in the early spring and see what comes of it. Try to make sure you can get as calm a day on both occasions as possible and make notes to help you make them as similar as possible. Dirk thanks. I was going to try for 15 miles this week by cutting back the long run from 6 - 5 miles and adding one more short run for 5 days of running. Then take a decrease next week? Sound reasonable? I don't stretch anymore. I used to stretch all the time, after every run and ride and also do yoga once or twice a week. Then a couple of the therapists I saw told me my ligaments were too loose and told me to stop stretching. But that has been a couple of years ago now so maybe I should start again just not as much as I was. My leg feels much much better today. I called and got in for some ART yesterday morning then soaked in a hot bath with Epsom salts. One of the massage therapists I have been too is always recommending Epsom Salts baths or lotion. I don't like sitting around in a bath for very long and no stores around here sell the lotion so I found a recipe online and mixed up my own last night. I put it on my leg before I went to bed. Today I have not had that pulling feeling at all - it still feels tight but it does not hurt. I've also had some tight knots in my shoulders so I put some lotion on after I swam this morning and they feel better too! Crazy. |
2013-10-08 4:41 PM in reply to: trigal38 |
NH | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by trigal38 Originally posted by DirkP Dina, Do you stretch everything frequently? My guess is that you do but if not make sure you don't become complacent in this area. It's possible that you just needed to stretch a little more than you're used to. Knowing your running history too, I would suggest you keep your volume the same for a couple of weeks before adding any more mileage at all. It might be more beneficial for you to follow something closer to a 5% rule for increasing volume. Keep with your goal of getting those miles to where you want. You'll get there, just be patient. Dirk thanks. I was going to try for 15 miles this week by cutting back the long run from 6 - 5 miles and adding one more short run for 5 days of running. Then take a decrease next week? Sound reasonable? I don't stretch anymore. I used to stretch all the time, after every run and ride and also do yoga once or twice a week. Then a couple of the therapists I saw told me my ligaments were too loose and told me to stop stretching. But that has been a couple of years ago now so maybe I should start again just not as much as I was. My leg feels much much better today. I called and got in for some ART yesterday morning then soaked in a hot bath with Epsom salts. One of the massage therapists I have been too is always recommending Epsom Salts baths or lotion. I don't like sitting around in a bath for very long and no stores around here sell the lotion so I found a recipe online and mixed up my own last night. I put it on my leg before I went to bed. Today I have not had that pulling feeling at all - it still feels tight but it does not hurt. I've also had some tight knots in my shoulders so I put some lotion on after I swam this morning and they feel better too! Crazy. I think things like massage, ART, rolling, etc. are very effective for post run recovery. I would suggest doing some sort of rolling, even 5-10 minutes, after your runs. If you don't have the 5-10 minutes, I'd actually cut the runs short by 5 minutes and roll/self-massage for those 5 minutes. Staying healthy has to be #1 goal, almost to the exclusion of everything else for now. I love the idea of a slower buildup. And I would also suggest you build up in the second way I mentioned, meaning up your mileage and then stay at that new mileage for a few weeks and monitor your body. Take a rest week as needed, and then up the miles a little more. Keeping your long run at 5 is probably a great idea until you get closer to 20 miles/wk. I have a general question. I seem new-website-challenged. People mention checking someones logs, but I can't seem to find anyone's logs to see what they are doing. Where is the magic link? Am I missing something? |
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2013-10-08 6:50 PM in reply to: wbayek |
Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Yes I have a foam roller hiding under my bed, way way way under my bed . And I agree holding for a few weeks would be best for me. There are several ways to get to the blogs: you can click on an avatar and a list of choices will show up, from there click on training log. OR You can also go to your friends page: from the choices at the very top of the screen click community, then friends. From your friends page click on the blue name under the persons avatar and that should take you their training log. OR from a thread you can click someones name, the list of choices will show up and you can choose training log from there. Hope that helps! Basically, just start clicking pictures and names it you will likely get you somewhere! |
2013-10-08 9:15 PM in reply to: trigal38 |
Extreme Veteran 872 Tx | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED mmmm, love foam roller. And for me, the cold pool (or ice bath) definitely helps my legs recover after long runs or rides... huge difference. |
2013-10-09 5:46 AM in reply to: pistuo |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED X3 on the foam roller, it seems to keep me going... |
2013-10-09 7:56 AM in reply to: KWDreamun |
Extreme Veteran 868 Racine, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Right now Iam doing, maintenance program, this will get me to October 20th which will start Jorge's 16 week cycle program which will lead me to the 30 week iron fit program starting feb 9. Is this a good plan? You know Iam worried about burning out....one thing the trainer reminded me was its not the training cuz that's only a few hrs a day it what we do in the recovery that is important, nutrition, sleep etc and I sooo have to be on every day with my nutrition or I feel it the next day, so I consider this a four sport event, Swim, Bike, Run, Nutrition lol On a side note my daughter has decided to do her first marathon in May and i think Maria is also going to do it with her, I told them this time I will get to cheer on the side for them Matt and Karl congrats to both of you on your runs!!! |
2013-10-09 8:27 AM in reply to: Jo63 |
Expert 2380 Mastic Beach, NY | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by Jo63 Right now Iam doing, maintenance program, this will get me to October 20th which will start Jorge's 16 week cycle program which will lead me to the 30 week iron fit program starting feb 9. Is this a good plan? You know Iam worried about burning out....one thing the trainer reminded me was its not the training cuz that's only a few hrs a day it what we do in the recovery that is important, nutrition, sleep etc and I sooo have to be on every day with my nutrition or I feel it the next day, so I consider this a four sport event, Swim, Bike, Run, Nutrition lol On a side note my daughter has decided to do her first marathon in May and i think Maria is also going to do it with her, I told them this time I will get to cheer on the side for them Matt and Karl congrats to both of you on your runs!!! JoAnne I think this sounds like a good plan. I would definitely do the Jorge winter cycling plan. I am planning to start that in Nov. Are you going to do the entire plan and do the 3 interval workouts and the 1 long ride each week? I am thinking this time around I may only do 3 interval workouts a week and not do the the long ride. I may just supplement that with some mountain biking and worry about the long rides for the spring/summer. Which Ironfit plan are you planning to use? I did the intermediate for the swim and run and I did the competitive for the bike. I didn't follow it exactly to the letter because I could not double up workouts in certain place the plan calls for due to scheduling constraints so I did move things around to make it work. I also did not follow the swim workouts to the letter either. I mainly tried to do the number of hours that were required by the plans. I think I actually did more for the bike then the plan required but I felt I needed to bike as much as I could. Either way I think it's a good plan and many people who use it are successful with it. I can say I was for what I was trying to achieve. The good thing about the Ironfit plan is that it sort of eases you into it. So while it is a long 30 week plan you work your way into the base phase, then the build phase and finally the peak phase. Don Fink gradually increases the amount of volume the plan calls for and doesn't try and kill you. You are right it's not just about swim, bike and run. Nutrition is important but so is rest and recovery.You'll always be tired no matter how much you sleep but lack of sleep will affect the quality of your training as will poor nutrition although I don't think I should comment on nutrition though as mine was not as good as it could have been. Just make sure you are getting your calories. As far as trying to avoid the burnout I would say just stay focused on the goal of finishing IMWI. It's going to be a long year so stay focused on your goal and follow and trust your plan. You already know what to expect as you've been through this before the only difference this time around is you are going to be better prepared and you are going to finish and become an Ironman. |
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2013-10-09 10:51 AM in reply to: DirkP |
Veteran 498 Redding, CA | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Sorry for being AWOL this past week or two. Okay who am I kidding? More like half the summer. To tell you the truth it was kinda burnout. After having my plans for my first Olympic shot down by a crazy work schedule early this summer I just lost all motivation for tri training. I squeaked through the summer on minimal training that amounted to less than half of last year’s totals for bike and swim. My run total for September was a hair over 22 miles. For the whole month! I did focus more on my martial arts training though so it’s not like I wasted the summer, but every attempt I have made at resetting and picking back up has fallen off. So here I am again pressing the reset button. I’m going to try and run 5 days a week from here through December. So far I’ve been able to make Monday and Tuesday work. Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday are my other target days. I felt like writing it down might help with motivation so there it is in black and white. Thank you to all of you for letting me share in your varied stories. There have been heartbreaks as well as major achievements that I have felt privileged to share in. I look forward to sharing more. |
2013-10-09 11:40 AM in reply to: JonnyVero |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Vero, welcome back! Good luck meeting your goals and we are here to hold you accountable Jo, good luck w/ the IM training. Did deep but remember to enjoy the experience. Tony, how is Isis? Ok i posted about Spirulina a few weeks ago. Yes it tastes like what I think Buzzard vomit would taste like but if mix it w/ protein powder and pre-work out stuff, it is tolerable. I went a few days w/o taking it and I was craving it...it is just algae powder but the green stuff seems to give me a little more energy. Even as bas as i think it taste, wife doesn't think it is that bad. ya'll definitely need to try it. I found out about it from Rich Rolls, Finding Ultra, I hope to never be without it. It has no stimulants or anything, all natural. |
2013-10-09 12:54 PM in reply to: KWDreamun |
Expert 2380 Mastic Beach, NY | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Vero x2 what Karl said and besides I think we all wind up getting sidetracked with all the other things we have going on in our lives it's amazing that we are all able to find enough time to get out and train as much as we do. I think that's a good goal to try and shoot for and I definitely think we can try and help you be accountable and motivate you to try and stick to your goal of running 5 times a week. Karl the new bike is great. I need to clean her up though from the ride on Sunday. I was full of dirt along with the bike. I have a sprint tri on Saturday but I am planning on hitting the trails on Sunday. I wish I could get out there at least two days a week. I think this mountain biking thing is addictive, I can't wait to get another ride in this weekend. Speaking of being motivated I can say lately I'm totally not. I'm in a weird place right now. I spent so much time focused on one thing for so long I just don't feel ready or motivated to jump back into anything serious right now related to IM. I've taken Sept off and am doing the same for Oct. I'm just doing unstructured workouts, racing for fun and trying something new like the MTN biking. I feel like I'm back physically but I think I'm mentally burned out and not ready to start doing anything IM related at this point. This was the one thing I was worried about coming off the IM like I would feel like I was burned out, lacking motivation or just not interested in training hard. I don't want that to carry over when I start training again so I think taking a break now is the best thing that I could do so I'm fresh when I kick off my out season in Nov. |
2013-10-09 2:10 PM in reply to: strikyr |
Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Vero good to hear from you. I can relate to the motivation problem. I worked consistently all winter training then when spring came I didn't even care anymore! Tony you need to take a break. Clear your head, spend time with your family and do what makes you feel good! You don't need to be an IronMan 365 days a year. I read an article about a professional ultra runner a few years ago. The one thing that stuck out to me was that he takes 2 months off running completely at the end of his race season! What is it with me and bikes. I'm ready to take a break from the tri bike, my hips are so tight I can barely squeak out 3 laps kicking in the pool. So I thought I would toodle around on my hybrid today and what do you know.... ANOTHER flat tire! This makes 3 flats on this bike this summer . I told my husband to get ready cuz I'm ready to start shopping for a different bike. Something a little less aggressive than the tri bike but that will not feel like complete torture to move forward up a hill or into the wind. |
2013-10-09 8:01 PM in reply to: trigal38 |
Expert 2380 Mastic Beach, NY | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by trigal38 Vero good to hear from you. I can relate to the motivation problem. I worked consistently all winter training then when spring came I didn't even care anymore! Tony you need to take a break. Clear your head, spend time with your family and do what makes you feel good! You don't need to be an IronMan 365 days a year. I read an article about a professional ultra runner a few years ago. The one thing that stuck out to me was that he takes 2 months off running completely at the end of his race season! What is it with me and bikes. I'm ready to take a break from the tri bike, my hips are so tight I can barely squeak out 3 laps kicking in the pool. So I thought I would toodle around on my hybrid today and what do you know.... ANOTHER flat tire! This makes 3 flats on this bike this summer . I told my husband to get ready cuz I'm ready to start shopping for a different bike. Something a little less aggressive than the tri bike but that will not feel like complete torture to move forward up a hill or into the wind. Dina so does this mean you're the market for a new road bike? The one you were thinking about getting after you sold your road bike? I hope you can find a bike that you'll enjoy riding and that won't cause you any problems. And yes I am in total agreement with you I am taking a break. I can't not workout, I'll just gain a bunch of weight and I want to avoid that but I have been slacking off, taking days off and just trying to keep my workouts unstructured, short and fun. I'm trying to do things unrelated to triathlon and training as well. I think the mountain biking is going to help me forget about Ironman for a while as well. The whole Ironman experience takes so much out of you I'm not sure how people do it every year. I definitely do need to clear my head and recharge my batteries before I start thinking about IMMT. I also have the 3 races I signed up for coming up a sprint this Saturday and I am going to run back to back 10K's on a weekend in Nov. All no pressure just have fun events. |
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2013-10-10 4:43 AM in reply to: Jo63 |
Master 3486 Fort Wayne | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by Jo63 Right now Iam doing, maintenance program, this will get me to October 20th which will start Jorge's 16 week cycle program which will lead me to the 30 week iron fit program starting feb 9. Is this a good plan? You know Iam worried about burning out....one thing the trainer reminded me was its not the training cuz that's only a few hrs a day it what we do in the recovery that is important, nutrition, sleep etc and I sooo have to be on every day with my nutrition or I feel it the next day, so I consider this a four sport event, Swim, Bike, Run, Nutrition lol On a side note my daughter has decided to do her first marathon in May and i think Maria is also going to do it with her, I told them this time I will get to cheer on the side for them Matt and Karl congrats to both of you on your runs!!! First off, congrats to your daughter for signing up for her marathon. It's a great goal and challenge to begin. I think you've got a good plan. As Tony said, make sure you try yo get all the rides in on Jorge's plan, that you can. Plan for nutrition on the long rides, especially on the trainer. The boredom, while spinning, seems to allow you to focus more on the nutritional inadequacies and it feels so much worse than when riding on the road. I am just getting ready to look into the training plan options that are out there. I personally would rather opt for a longer duration plan to allow a little more development of fitness and maybe have a faster, better race, so a 30 week plan would seem to fit my thoughts more closely. |
2013-10-10 4:48 AM in reply to: trigal38 |
Master 3486 Fort Wayne | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by trigal38So I thought I would toodle around on my hybrid today and what do you know.... ANOTHER flat tire! This makes 3 flats on this bike this summer . I told my husband to get ready cuz I'm ready to start shopping for a different bike. Something a little less aggressive than the tri bike but that will not feel like complete torture to move forward up a hill or into the wind. Have you checked the rim tape? When you replace a tube or tire it's a good idea to run your fingers down the lining tape to clear any debris and check for punctures in the tape from spokes. I have not had problems with any of my rim tape yet but I know it can occur, especially as a the material ages and becomes more brittle. You can buy the new tape for a few bucks at the LBS if it's torn or cracked. |
2013-10-10 6:46 AM in reply to: DirkP |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Jo, when is your daughter's marathon. I know you are so proud of her! Dina, good luck with the purchase of a new bike..enjoy the shopping |
2013-10-10 6:51 AM in reply to: 0 |
Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by DirkP Originally posted by trigal38So I thought I would toodle around on my hybrid today and what do you know.... ANOTHER flat tire! This makes 3 flats on this bike this summer . I told my husband to get ready cuz I'm ready to start shopping for a different bike. Something a little less aggressive than the tri bike but that will not feel like complete torture to move forward up a hill or into the wind. Have you checked the rim tape? When you replace a tube or tire it's a good idea to run your fingers down the lining tape to clear any debris and check for punctures in the tape from spokes. I have not had problems with any of my rim tape yet but I know it can occur, especially as a the material ages and becomes more brittle. You can buy the new tape for a few bucks at the LBS if it's torn or cracked. I have not, I'll check it when I get another tube. Edited by trigal38 2013-10-10 6:52 AM |
2013-10-10 7:37 AM in reply to: strikyr |
Extreme Veteran 1123 Sidney, Ohio | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Random thought: the more Days I wake up dreading going to work, the quicker I realize a career change is needed! I wonder what I should be when I grow up? |
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2013-10-10 10:59 AM in reply to: mambos |
Master 3486 Fort Wayne | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Uhh! Matt, I'm thinking you should be a professional triathlete.Anymore questions?? |
2013-10-10 11:57 AM in reply to: Jo63 |
NH | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by Jo63 Right now Iam doing, maintenance program, this will get me to October 20th which will start Jorge's 16 week cycle program which will lead me to the 30 week iron fit program starting feb 9. Is this a good plan? You know I am worried about burning out....one thing the trainer reminded me was its not the training cuz that's only a few hrs a day it what we do in the recovery that is important, nutrition, sleep etc and I sooo have to be on every day with my nutrition or I feel it the next day, so I consider this a four sport event, Swim, Bike, Run, Nutrition lol On a side note my daughter has decided to do her first marathon in May and i think Maria is also going to do it with her, I told them this time I will get to cheer on the side for them Matt and Karl congrats to both of you on your runs!!! I think this is a great plan to get ready for the IM. If at all possible, I'd also keep some running frequency up while you are doing Jorge's plan. Nothing with intensity, just keep running as often as possible without compromising the bike intervals. Recovery can be difficult as you have stated, so if you can't hit the intervals in that bike plan let us know and you should make some adjustments. Hopefully the intervals you were doing earlier will help with the mental prep! In terms of the long rides over the winter, I'm going to go against Dirk a bit here and say the interval sessions will be more critical for those 16 weeks. I'd almost rather you add running than a long ride all winter. 30 weeks should be plenty of time to build up your bike endurance once you get to the IM plan. It's surprising how much bike fitness you will build just doing 3 really intense hour long sessions. I'm not saying immediately drop the long rides, but make an assessment once you get going. |
2013-10-10 11:57 AM in reply to: DirkP |
NH | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by DirkP Uhh! Matt, I'm thinking you should be a professional triathlete.Anymore questions?? x10. But don't forget the little people once you're there. |
2013-10-10 12:02 PM in reply to: strikyr |
NH | Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED Originally posted by strikyr Matt x2 on the hard intervals that Dirk is recommending. I know alot of us did the Jorge winter plan and trainer road and such. That not only improved my power and strength on the bike but I am convinced it improved my running as well. Like I said I normally don't get winded running my legs usually want to give up on me before I start losing my wind but I noticed with all the volume and slow running I could push myself beyond what I thought I could do. The other thing I've noticed recently is that I can run faster than I think I can. I'm slow no doubt about it but I don't think I've pushed myself hard enough to get faster. I did so much slow running for the Ironman training this year and in general I follow the same philosophy as we all do in this group by running slow. Lately I've been pushing myself to run harder and faster just to see what I can do. I'm finding that I can run faster at a more sustained pace than I thought I could which is awesome. I thought I'd never get any faster than I already was but I think I actually might have improved a little. I'm going to test the theory in Nov. when I run those 10K's. I'll keep my runs slow and short for the most part but I am going to bust out a few short hard paced runs here and there. I'm certainly going to push as hard as I can Saturday when I do the sprint tri. I'll be very interested to see how I do especially the run. Tony, once you've run enough to hit that sweet spot of understanding your body and once you've built up some joint resilience, it's great to push it on occasion if that is what you enjoy. It's fun to run hard, just as it's fun to bike hard. How much and how hard to push is important the question. Always pay attention to your body. Some people do very well on the 90%/10% split Matt mentioned, some people need to limit the hard stuff to less or they really risk injury. Races alone can often fill that 10% if you really enjoy racing and do it frequently. |
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