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2014-06-27 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by BF JEFF HEY - Sprint (almost) Tri tonight. They called it a Mock because it was really meant to be about fun and practice. Whoo - did I learn. 1st Swim went badly. I thought I was last out of the water, but according to the results there were a couple swim times slower than mine. Goggles were not fitting well from the start. Breathing and stroke were way off for first 100 yrds or more. I stopped a couple times to re-adjust and it wasnt enough. I did decent enough sighting to the last buoy on the way out- I also had a line of swimmers to follow! On the route back, the sun was in my eyes (brought the non-tinted goggles) and couldnt see anything. There was one kayak that I kept trying to stay on the right side of, but I was so damn far off. I ended up telling her that I couldnt see anything. Finally found the last buoy and almost did a 45* turn to get to it. Swim 27:18 (their time) 28:06 Garmin Distance, not 100% sure. One person said 800yd. - probably right. I might have added 100yd in my poor driving skills. Smile Im going to buy and try goggles before next race. T1 not too bad. This was a big learning area. I ended up forgetting my sunglasses, and played around with vest more than I wanted. Stuck my bike gloves in my pocket thinking I could put them on during the ride, but I wasnt that talented. Garmin Time 3:24, including a walk up the hill to Transition area from the lake. Bike went well - 14.8 miles (total 1:31:82) 58:13 MapMyRide. I was with one older guy in T1, and wanted to make up some lost time. I passed him in first 1/2 mile. Later found out that he got lost and took a ride back to the run. (where I passed him again) Avg 15.1mph. T2 wasnt too bad. I dont have clipless pedals / shoes, so I just needed to rack my bike and run. Yeah. The damn bike rack fell apart when I put my bike on it. I held it up, other people took the bikes off. Then I took off. Somehow time shows up as 0:37 - Oh and I took that vest off. Run was okay. Legs cramping and tired at the start. Got to turn around feeling good after having picked off 4 runners / walkers. Then I pushed a little and knocked off 2 more. Total run was about 21 minutes? Turns out, it was only about 2.3 miles. Oh well. Avg 8:20 - 8:30. Total Time: 1:52:41 (theirs) 1:52:42 (Garmin) Out of 30. I came in 25th. I need to really get more comfortable with my swims. The bike ride came easy. I liked having my phone on the handlebars so I could see the speed at times and the map. At the start of the race, the RD asks who doesnt know the route, 6 hands go up. Then he says, "well, there are no signs or markings and no volunteers at the turns." Okay! He mentioned a STOP sign which I never found, and he mentioned the names of the 2 roads to turn Right on. It was a pretty simple route. I have ridden parts with the TRI club, the phone really helped me make the 1 big turn that I needed to make sure I took. Everyone brought a side dish. The cost was $15 and they gave me a swimcap. They cooked burgers and chicken and there were tons of sides. Great atmosphere. Some brought their families. I waited at the finish for the final runner. He was walking the whole route but he would jog a little when he saw me. He came in just under 2:20.

Nice job Jeff!  Great race report.  It sounds like you learned a lot and had a really great friendly atmosphere.

Here are a few thoughts that might help.

If at all possible get in the water and do a brief warm-up before the swim start.  Make sure your goggles are adjusted and sealing tight  during this time.  You mentioned buying new goggles.  I can recommend Speedo Hydrospex 2 and Tyr Special Ops 2.0 from personal experience.  Both are reasonably priced and both have served me well.  The Speedo's I have found very cheap (around $11) that last 2 I have bought.  They last about a year of regular chlorine use before the seal starts to deteriorate.  They come in clear and tinted versions.  I did a quick search and found some on Amazon though I used to buy them at Swim Outlet but didn't find them there.  They may be a discontinued line but there are still some around.  The Tyr Special Ops 2.0 are about $25-$30 and I am using them as racing goggles this year.  They are well made and seal extremely tight.  Also they come in various national colors and other designer editions. Search Swim Outlet for Tyr 2.0 to check out the options.

T1 - don't worry about gloves for racing.  I wear them for training but never take the time to mess with them in a race.  You probably already figured that out! What vest are you referring to?

Sounds like you had solid bike ride.  I'm glad you found your way.  During the real race, the course should be well marked and usually volunteers at all the turns.  At least every race I've ever done.  So I wouldn't worry about that much.

T2 - Don't worry about the bike rack.  That wasn't your fault.  I've heard of that happening before with flimsy bike racks but never had it happen personally.

Good job on run, pushing through it and passing a few folks.  Throw some brick workouts into your training and you will be amazed how much better your legs will feel coming off the bike.

All in all well done.  Now you have a much better idea of what  to expect and what it  will feel like in the real race.  

Also good on waiting for and cheering on the last finishers!  Everyone needs support out there! 

 



Edited by Dominion 2014-06-27 12:48 PM


2014-06-27 2:50 PM
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Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. Ill buy those TYR goggles (in Amazon cart).

I had a singlet on top, but chose to add my vest additionally. It looks a little like this one... http://www.amazon.com/Showers-Pass-Mens-Yellow-Medium/dp/B009M35I2G...

In hindsight, it was warm enough to skip the vest. Big benefit was I added a Lara Bar to the pocket, but would have been much faster picking it up and putting it in singlet pocket.

For OLY ... hoping to get wetsuit in the mail on 7/10. Race on 7/20. If I cant test it, I wont race in it. Thinking of getting aerobars. I know I wont get a huge benefit, but maybe enough? Planning to spend about $100. From magazine, it was the best investment for the dollar, or dollar per second. Local BS mentioned a couple hundred dollar fit clinic to make bike adjustments after aerobar, but I'll skip that for now. I did "fine" with my waterbottle but I'll pick up a aero bottle and see if that is a little better. Technically my bottle cost me time this "race"- I missed the cage, and its a $10 bottle, so I stopped went back, picked it up and got going. 20 seconds? In addition to the few seconds taking it out, drinking and putting it back cost me the rest of the time.

Thanks for the advice on the gloves. I really hadnt figured it out yet. Just knew that I couldnt do it while moving. Hand went a little numb, but I havent ridden with gloves yet, probably best to skip it in T1.

LOL - one more thing. - I couldnt figure out what RD was talking about when he said STOP sign on the bike. I guess I went one street too far out, and missed the intersection with the stop sign and ended up doing 14.7 when everyone else did 10.4 - I dont mind the extra miles, but it didnt help my ranking any. It also explains why I wasnt able to pick off any people on the cycle after a really slow swim.

2014-06-28 11:43 AM
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Home after finishing my race. Overall happy with my performance. 4th in age group, but there was only 8. Willhave a race report after a nap.

Chris decided to leave my gloves at home :-).

Jeff I also had the TYR special ops 2.0. They broke after about 5 to 10 swims. Loved them before that. My regular goggles were Nike remora. They are still going strong. Not a year yet. I decided to buy some tinted remora and used them today
2014-06-28 4:06 PM
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Congrats to both of you who raced today! Npoulin, awaiting your report! Jeff, sounds like you learned a ton out there. Awesome that they decided to hold a practice race so you know what to work on for next time.

Goggles are really personal. I'm wearing some random Tyr goggles now that work fine, but just ordered some Swedes. For some reason, the athletic stores here don't even carry them, but they were always my favorite in my swim team days. The fit is totally customizable, they don't leak, and you avoid raccoon eyes from the foam. They're usually super cheap too. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_goggles
No matter what you use, definitely get practice with it first for sure, and the warmup is probably a great idea.

I did a little local 5K this morning, and did well for me! 25:01, which is almost 2:30 under my time from the last time I ran one. Good enough for 3rd in my AG. The pace was identical to how fast I ran 2 mi in my super sprint a couple of weeks ago, so it was pretty close to what I was hoping for. My next tri isn't until 8/17, and I'm getting antsy. Considering signing up for another sprint, probably 8/2, and hoping that's not a dumb idea.


2014-06-29 6:52 AM
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Here is the like to my race report http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

This sprint had an OWS that went up river. I have only swam open water on one other occasion and that swim was wet suit legal. This one wasn't the water was a warm 82F. I held back on the start to avoid getting tangled with other swimmers like in my last tri. I managed to screwed up my breathing in the first half. Not sure why. But figured it out in the middle. My sighting wasn't bad a little lifeguard stroke a little breast. This strategy worked as I finished in middle of the pack and my age group. I thought I was in the back of the swim pack. At 20:47 this was 2:32/100y. Slower than my last tri and my pool pace. As I said my last one was in a lake and was wet suit legal. Nothing really to compare to. Happy to have been in the middle of the pack at this point. I took my time in transition but was quicker that I typically am in transition. Can definitely shave time here if I wanted (2:23).

This was the second ride on my new bike and my first over 6 miles. This is my first bike with areo bars also. I had planned to go lite on the bike to save some for the run. My typical pace had been between 17 and 18 mph. I was going 19-20 mph pretty easy and got up to 24 for a bit. So I just went with it for the first half. I decided to slow a little on the back half to save some but probably could have just pushed thru. Passed a bunch of people. I was passed by 2, and think the second one was that one the pushed me out of 3rd for age group (the first was a woman). I was able to get my feet out of my shoes as we road to TA. It zapped a little speed but I saved time I think overall. With my new fancy water bottle I felt like my hydration was much improved. My average speed was 18.9 mph. My typical ride is 16-18. My last tri was 17.5 and I was really happy with that. Really glad to have a bike and really satisfied with my bike split. 4th in age group, and still in the middle of the pack. T2 faster and another tz pr. (1:16).

Felt okay coming off the bike and had another good transition. Started strong but then faded. Overall my pace was better than expected but slower than I hoped. Could have cut some by not walking thru walk station. Had planned to go harder or the last mile-mile and a half, but didn't have it physically or mentally. Was able to put a little push for the finish. 8:54 is faster than the last sprint but slower than lots of my training had projected 8:30. With an 8:30 and a minute in transition I would have been on the heals of the guy that beat me out for 3rd

Saw my family a couple times on the course. The post race events were okay. They had a bounce house for the kids. We didn't stick around for very long.

Overall very satisfied with my race. I am very happy with the experience I have gained from my previous races and plan to look at my calendar and find a race I can plan for and plan a taper ect. I have been using the races as a way to stay motivated and step up my training. I had two additional races on my calendar. A sprint and an Olympic. My find another sprint and scratch the Olympic for this year.

Nate



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Hey, I'm a 15 year old guy training for my first sprint tri. Did swim team when I was younger, track team (though now distance runner) for a year or two and always had an interest in biking. Trying to run my first sprint tri in early October and wanting to up my speed. I can complete the full distance already but need some help getting my speed down, mastering transitions, and eating properly without losing too much weight from running. I would love to join this group and learn from others with more experience. Thanks! -Jake


2014-06-29 8:27 PM
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Nice race Nate.  4th place out of 8 ...It won't take much to move up to the podium. 

Let me suggest swimming in you tri top.  Don't waste the time trying to put it on in T1.  Those tops usually fit tight and when your skin is wet, they are tough to get on!  Swimming in it could easily save you 30 seconds or more in T1 I imagine. 

Excellent bike leg!  I'm guessing you rode the new QR.  It's amazing what a new bike and race day mentality can do to increase speed. 

Work on increasing your weekly run volume a little to help keep you from fading.  I noticed most of your runs are in the 4 and 5 mile range.  That is fine, keep those, but work in at least 2 shorter/higher intensity runs each week.  A good way to do that is just run a 1 or 2 mile brick after a ride.  I mean set up your run gear in the garage or wherever, just like a race transition.  Come in on the bike, practice your transition and go run.  Run hard, gut it out .  It will hurt but it will help.  Start at  1 mile and set a goal time.  Then go up to 1.5 and then 2 miles over a couple of weeks.  Remember, What breaks you also makes you. 

 

2014-06-29 8:41 PM
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Originally posted by Jakester5724 Hey, I'm a 15 year old guy training for my first sprint tri. Did swim team when I was younger, track team (though now distance runner) for a year or two and always had an interest in biking. Trying to run my first sprint tri in early October and wanting to up my speed. I can complete the full distance already but need some help getting my speed down, mastering transitions, and eating properly without losing too much weight from running. I would love to join this group and learn from others with more experience. Thanks! -Jake

Hi Jake.

Feel free to ask any specific questions you may have.  We have a good active group going here and I'm sure we will be able to find some answers for you. 

Start logging your daily training here on BT.  That way I can take a look at how and what you are working on and hopefully offer some advice if needed. 

 

 

2014-06-29 9:27 PM
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Originally posted by Dominion

Nice race Nate.  4th place out of 8 ...It won't take much to move up to the podium. 

Let me suggest swimming in you tri top.  Don't waste the time trying to put it on in T1.  Those tops usually fit tight and when your skin is wet, they are tough to get on!  Swimming in it could easily save you 30 seconds or more in T1 I imagine. 

Excellent bike leg!  I'm guessing you rode the new QR.  It's amazing what a new bike and race day mentality can do to increase speed. 

Work on increasing your weekly run volume a little to help keep you from fading.  I noticed most of your runs are in the 4 and 5 mile range.  That is fine, keep those, but work in at least 2 shorter/higher intensity runs each week.  A good way to do that is just run a 1 or 2 mile brick after a ride.  I mean set up your run gear in the garage or wherever, just like a race transition.  Come in on the bike, practice your transition and go run.  Run hard, gut it out .  It will hurt but it will help.  Start at  1 mile and set a goal time.  Then go up to 1.5 and then 2 miles over a couple of weeks.  Remember, What breaks you also makes you. 

 




Thanks for the advice Chris. After my last Tri I had said I would do a brick every other week but I often skip my bikes so it wasn't an easy goal to keep. I have been trying to keep the running to 3 days a week and hope to do a half marathon in the fall. Although I think I could do it now I would like keep it around 9 min/mile or faster. With this in mind how would you structure the workouts. I was thinking one long run, one interval/tempo, and one brick?

I was wondering about swimming in my tri top and wasn't sure if it would slow me down. I just bought it this week. Will have to see how it feel if I can ever get some open water time in. Imaging the chlorine is not very good for it.

2014-06-29 9:38 PM
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I had a great experience this weekend volunteering for the first of three iterations of my event, the Vermont Sun Triathlon. My brother and I wanted to scope out the event to try to pick up some pointers and to see the course. After talking with the race director, he asked us to volunteer and it was well worth it. We saw most everything we wanted to see except for T2 and the competitors crossing the finish line. We worked the water station at the 5K turn around for the sprint.

If any newbies like me have the opportunity, I suggest at least checking out a live event even if you don't volunteer. That's especially true if your event is like mine and the same course is run multiple times during the year. We gained some good information, both in what people did right and what they did wrong. They may seem boring, but I'd strongly recommend listening to the pre-race announcements. There were numerous competitors that seemed lost and confused and went off course (literally). It was great to see the actual race course and know where we'd be going when we are competing instead of spectating. As someone that has never done a tri before, it was extremely valuable to me to see as many aspects of the event as I could. I was particularly interested in seeing the transition area, both how people laid out their gear and how they transition from the swim to the bike.

Volunteering was a fun and rewarding experience. I had never done it before, but would definitely be inclined to do it again. It was a lot of fun to be out on the course to cheer on the competitors. It was amazing to have the athletes take the time during the middle of their event to actually thank us volunteers. There were a small number of athletes that were unfriendly or even a little rude, but most were fantastic and had a great attitude! I, for one, will never take the volunteers for granted again.
2014-06-29 10:12 PM
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Chris, just yesterday I placed third overall in a mud run 5K. Running is fairly strong suit for me since I easily tackle distance runs of up to 6mi (although sprint speed could improve).

Currently am biking on a solid frame mountain bike so my speed is horrible. Any workout ideas to improve my swim and bike splits? Thanks for any advice you have,

-Jake


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Also, looking at getting a CHEAP road bike to start into racing with. When I say cheap I'm talking $450 absolute max. I'm about a 5'7 1/2" skinnier guy so proper sizing suggestions greatly help as well. Considering I'm not shaving milliseconds off my PR but still wanting to rank decent and possibly even the podium for age groups, I'm looking an inexpensive bike without compromising TOO much performance.
2014-06-30 1:09 AM
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Hey - did my OLY bike route today. I just had Profile T3+ bars added this weekend. Last time I did this course, avg speed was 15.1 - I recently read a race report of a local TRI where athlete avg'd 21.4 mph! I kept that in mind today. First hill, mph 9-10. Next set of hills 9-10mph ending 5-6mph. So, I think I found my problem.

The bars were a nice change for the long flattish downhill portion. But I learned quickly that Id rather have my hands on the brakes when going 30-35mph! At the very least, keeping my hands off the bars and on the handles was a better idea.

Today I avg'd 15.6 - Nice improvement for me. A little can be due to the bars, but mainly I knew the course better and I shifted better and I pushed harder. Tonight I did 1.4 on the TM and DW came home. Went outside and did 1.4 more, before pitstopping to a porta potty. Finished with 3.0 more miles uphill.

I have been thinking of doing my next TRI barefoot. I have run 5K - HM barefoot and I am pretty good at it. I just ordered some "comfort pedals" by Avenir for $10. If these are comfortable and RD allows it, Im thinking of doing all 3 parts of the TRI barefoot. Thoughts?
2014-06-30 10:24 AM
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Okay, I've been guilty of not finding the time to train and having a bad case of the don't feel like its. How/when/where do those of you with small children make the time to train? Part of my problem I think is that I don't enjoy biking nearly as much as running and swimming is just a lack of motivation to get up in the morning and get to the pool. The entire family got struck with a flu bug last week. I'm back and ready to roll since Friday and just had a bad case of didn't feel like it to jump on the bike or go run. What motivates ya'll to get out the door?

I do most of my training running/biking in the late afternoon during the week and tri to get a good ride/run in the mornings on the weekends. But that didn't happen at all this past weekend. Most of it was motivational others was situational, where my wife was on call and I couldn't be too far away if she got called in. Only time I can swim is in the morning before work. I've been getting better about making it to the pool, my biking is actually worse off than swimming or running. Anyone got any tricks they use? I'm open to just about anything right now. I don't have a tri-club close enough to make it to their group rides/runs and my buddy's schedule never seems to match up with mine to ride with either. Thanks for any ideas, motivation, ect.

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2014-06-30 2:25 PM
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Jake, the biggest piece of advice for you would be to look for something used. At 15, you probably aren't done growing, and you'll want a different sized bike in a couple of years. Do your parents or any friends' parents have an old road bike gathering dust in their garage? If not, scour Craigslist, and check out your local bike shops. Mine fitted me for the size bike I would need (for free), and let me ride a few they had in stock even though I told the salespeople up front that I couldn't afford new. I left the clerk my cell#, and karma helped me out by sending a trade-in that was right in my price range to the shop a couple days later.

Scott, I have a 2 year old and a FT job with inconsistent hours (55 hours one week, 25 another). I have to be at work at 0700 most days, and I hate mornings. I have grudgingly come to realize that if I don't drag my cranky a$$ out of bed by 0500 at least 4 days a week, there is no way to get the workouts in. Even when I get off early, the kid wants my attention, the husband wants to get out of the house, or chores/errands need to be done. If I can fit a second workout in after work it's gravy, but not mandatory if I do one in the morning. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, lol...
2014-06-30 2:54 PM
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Originally posted by nrpoulin
Originally posted by Dominion

Nice race Nate.  4th place out of 8 ...It won't take much to move up to the podium. 

Let me suggest swimming in you tri top.  Don't waste the time trying to put it on in T1.  Those tops usually fit tight and when your skin is wet, they are tough to get on!  Swimming in it could easily save you 30 seconds or more in T1 I imagine. 

Excellent bike leg!  I'm guessing you rode the new QR.  It's amazing what a new bike and race day mentality can do to increase speed. 

Work on increasing your weekly run volume a little to help keep you from fading.  I noticed most of your runs are in the 4 and 5 mile range.  That is fine, keep those, but work in at least 2 shorter/higher intensity runs each week.  A good way to do that is just run a 1 or 2 mile brick after a ride.  I mean set up your run gear in the garage or wherever, just like a race transition.  Come in on the bike, practice your transition and go run.  Run hard, gut it out .  It will hurt but it will help.  Start at  1 mile and set a goal time.  Then go up to 1.5 and then 2 miles over a couple of weeks.  Remember, What breaks you also makes you. 

 

Thanks for the advice Chris. After my last Tri I had said I would do a brick every other week but I often skip my bikes so it wasn't an easy goal to keep. I have been trying to keep the running to 3 days a week and hope to do a half marathon in the fall. Although I think I could do it now I would like keep it around 9 min/mile or faster. With this in mind how would you structure the workouts. I was thinking one long run, one interval/tempo, and one brick? I was wondering about swimming in my tri top and wasn't sure if it would slow me down. I just bought it this week. Will have to see how it feel if I can ever get some open water time in. Imaging the chlorine is not very good for it.

A HM on just three days a week can be tough.  If possible you should try to add at least one more run each week.  The brick is really a triathlon specific workout and that run really can be considered just an add-on to a bike workout.  So if you can get 3 stand alone runs in each week plus try to add just a quick 2 mile brick run after a bike session.  As far as the 3 runs, yes, i agree pretty much with your idea.  One long run, I see from your logs that you are around 6 miles right now for that.  Gradually work that up to 10 over  the next three months.  One tempo run.  The tempo run should be hard, at or above race pace.  If you race goal is 9min/mile, start at 3 miles and work up to 5 or 6 running under 9 minute miles.  For the third run, you can do intervals or what I call a Steady-State run (or mix them up week to week to keep some variety).  The steady state run should be faster than your LSD (long slow distance) but slower than tempo.  It should be a pace that you have to work a little to maintain but is reasonably comfortable to sustain.  (Ex. my race pace currently might be around 6:50, my LSD is around 8:00, my SS pace would is around 7:15 to 7:30).

As for the tri top, you are right, chlorine is not good for them, but one swim is not going to do any damage.  Repeated pool sessions is what starts to break down materials and fabrics.  Do a session in your top and then just wash and rinse it out good when you are finished. It will be fine.  As long as it is a "tri top" it is made to swim in.  (Just don't try to swim in a cycling jersey....trust me.  )

 



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Originally posted by rjchilds8 I had a great experience this weekend volunteering for the first of three iterations of my event, the Vermont Sun Triathlon. My brother and I wanted to scope out the event to try to pick up some pointers and to see the course. After talking with the race director, he asked us to volunteer and it was well worth it. We saw most everything we wanted to see except for T2 and the competitors crossing the finish line. We worked the water station at the 5K turn around for the sprint. If any newbies like me have the opportunity, I suggest at least checking out a live event even if you don't volunteer. That's especially true if your event is like mine and the same course is run multiple times during the year. We gained some good information, both in what people did right and what they did wrong. They may seem boring, but I'd strongly recommend listening to the pre-race announcements. There were numerous competitors that seemed lost and confused and went off course (literally). It was great to see the actual race course and know where we'd be going when we are competing instead of spectating. As someone that has never done a tri before, it was extremely valuable to me to see as many aspects of the event as I could. I was particularly interested in seeing the transition area, both how people laid out their gear and how they transition from the swim to the bike. Volunteering was a fun and rewarding experience. I had never done it before, but would definitely be inclined to do it again. It was a lot of fun to be out on the course to cheer on the competitors. It was amazing to have the athletes take the time during the middle of their event to actually thank us volunteers. There were a small number of athletes that were unfriendly or even a little rude, but most were fantastic and had a great attitude! I, for one, will never take the volunteers for granted again.

Good points here, Randy.

I've been to a few events as a spectator but never had the opportunity to volunteer.  I will one day.  I always try to thank them for being out there and making the race possible. 

 

2014-06-30 3:07 PM
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Originally posted by Jakester5724 Also, looking at getting a CHEAP road bike to start into racing with. When I say cheap I'm talking $450 absolute max. I'm about a 5'7 1/2" skinnier guy so proper sizing suggestions greatly help as well. Considering I'm not shaving milliseconds off my PR but still wanting to rank decent and possibly even the podium for age groups, I'm looking an inexpensive bike without compromising TOO much performance.

Jake, I agree with MMW37.  Try to find a used road bike or borrow someone's for now.  At 15, what fits you this year may not fit you next year.  Look around the bike shops and see if you have any deals, also might look at pawn shops.  If you buy from a bike shop they should be able to get you a basic general fit.  That is all you need right now, just something you can ride comfortably and safely.  Later if you decide to stick with the sport you can upgrade and get a true fit done to maximize your aerodynamic potential. 

As far as specific workout advice, right now just try to find a road bike and start getting a few miles in.  You can start with 15 to 20 mile rides (or less) and just get comfortable on the bike and on the road.  As far as swimming, are doing anything now?  If not just get in the pool and start getting some laps in. If you haven't been swimming, it can be very tough at the beginning, even for those with good run fitness.  Swimming is a whole different beast. There are lots of youtube videos and such to show proper technique and form.  Start posting your workouts on your training log and I will take a look and might be able to offer more specific advice once you get started.  Good luck in your bike search!

2014-06-30 3:09 PM
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Hey Scott -

Training can be hard to fit in. I work over 40 hrs (closer to 76), my kids are 7 and 6 yo. I am looking forward to getting them both on their bikes this summer to the point where they can do a mile ride each. Maybe its just a dream, they only started going without training wheels this spring. My kids are in swimming lessons at the YMCA, I have started taking that time to do lap swims. They are being watched by the lifeguard as well as the coach. There is little I can do by sitting on the bench. As well, the YMCA has a play room. (community room?) it has air hockey, coloring and regular books, I havent used this as much as I could. All they ask is that you list where in the building you will be so they can find you if needed.

I just realized Scott. The ages of your kids is a huge factor! When my kids were newborns, it was the treadmill that got me moving. Someone always had to be home, but I could fit in 30 minutes between naps or while they watched a show.

Another thing that has actually helped my training has been to log my miles. When I look back and see improving paces, or distances, it helps me to keep going strong. I had suprise success by streaking. I started a running streak last Thanksgiving that was supposed to run until Jan 1st with running a minimum of 1 mile per day. As the weeks became months, my DW (and myself) came to recognize this as the new normal. I have been very tired at 11pm, but managed to get my butt onto the treadmill so I wouldnt break a 100 or so day streak. (Im over 220 days now I think). One mile minimum can easily become 2, 3 or more miles once you get moving.

For cycling, also consider a group near work. Sometimes I find it much easier to get out the door for work, than for a run or the gym. But once Im at work, I can sometimes find time before coming home to fit in a run or swim.

Cycling is also my weakest area. Or maybe its swimming. I cant really tell right now. Dont have a ton of experience in either and I keep looking at past race results to determine my "strength" in these categories. I dont know if this is an option, but maybe buy a trainer for your bike? I have heard the comment "you need 3 plans to make your overall plan work" - basically, if your wife were to be on-call again, what is your plan? What is your backup plan? What could you do if she wasnt on-call?

Keep checking in. I have found that these online forums can be a good motivation for me to get a run in. I belong to another thread with the topic "How was your last run?" - sometimes I think about telling the group of the obstacles I overcame to get to the run. Other times its more about the run itself. And sometimes I just read other posts to see how the group is doing.

Are you signed up for a race? That is some additional motivation right there. Cant slack for too long with a race on the calendar.
2014-06-30 3:31 PM
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Originally posted by BF JEFF Hey - did my OLY bike route today. I just had Profile T3+ bars added this weekend. Last time I did this course, avg speed was 15.1 - I recently read a race report of a local TRI where athlete avg'd 21.4 mph! I kept that in mind today. First hill, mph 9-10. Next set of hills 9-10mph ending 5-6mph. So, I think I found my problem. The bars were a nice change for the long flattish downhill portion. But I learned quickly that Id rather have my hands on the brakes when going 30-35mph! At the very least, keeping my hands off the bars and on the handles was a better idea. Today I avg'd 15.6 - Nice improvement for me. A little can be due to the bars, but mainly I knew the course better and I shifted better and I pushed harder. Tonight I did 1.4 on the TM and DW came home. Went outside and did 1.4 more, before pitstopping to a porta potty. Finished with 3.0 more miles uphill. I have been thinking of doing my next TRI barefoot. I have run 5K - HM barefoot and I am pretty good at it. I just ordered some "comfort pedals" by Avenir for $10. If these are comfortable and RD allows it, Im thinking of doing all 3 parts of the TRI barefoot. Thoughts?

Aero bars are a nice edition.  they made a huge difference for me when I added a clip on set to my road bike.  Just keep riding them and you will get more comfortable.  The position puts more weight on the front of the bike so it will handle a little differently, but you will get used to it.  Soon you will be screaming downhill and cornering in aero. 

As for the barefoot thing, well, that is all you .  I couldn't do it, but if it is your thing, go for it.  You may want to check the USAT rules page but I haven't heard of anything mandating a certain kind of footwear, or footwear period for that matter.

2014-06-30 3:34 PM
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Subject: RE: making the time to train?
Originally posted by scottjjmtri99

Okay, I've been guilty of not finding the time to train and having a bad case of the don't feel like its. How/when/where do those of you with small children make the time to train? Part of my problem I think is that I don't enjoy biking nearly as much as running and swimming is just a lack of motivation to get up in the morning and get to the pool. The entire family got struck with a flu bug last week. I'm back and ready to roll since Friday and just had a bad case of didn't feel like it to jump on the bike or go run. What motivates ya'll to get out the door?

I do most of my training running/biking in the late afternoon during the week and tri to get a good ride/run in the mornings on the weekends. But that didn't happen at all this past weekend. Most of it was motivational others was situational, where my wife was on call and I couldn't be too far away if she got called in. Only time I can swim is in the morning before work. I've been getting better about making it to the pool, my biking is actually worse off than swimming or running. Anyone got any tricks they use? I'm open to just about anything right now. I don't have a tri-club close enough to make it to their group rides/runs and my buddy's schedule never seems to match up with mine to ride with either. Thanks for any ideas, motivation, ect.

Scott

Scott,
I definitely feel your pain. I have two little ones, ages 4 and 2. On top of that, we are in the process of getting our house ready to put it on the market. It is always a struggle to find time to train. I can tell you that the majority of my training has been done at 9:00 at night! It's very hard to stay motivated to train when all you'd rather do is flop on the couch and watch an hour of TV before going to bed. I do have a TV in front of my treadmill and I tend to watch sports to keep my adrenaline pumping.
But I still struggle with finding the motivation to keep pushing and make sure I get my workouts in. There are nights when I skip, especially when the kids have been particularly difficult at bath/bed time and I just feel drained. I think JEFF made a good point about logging your workouts. I log them both on this web site and in my own homemade spreadsheet. If I see that I haven't done any exercise in the past 3 days, that does help to light a fire under me and get me out training. I'm doing my tri with my brother and we have a friendly wager, which helps keep me engaged with my training. I also suggested putting a quarter in the pot for every mile of training. After our eveny, we're going to use the money to treat ourselves to a great steak dinner!
Finding time is also tough. Like I said, I do much of my training at night after the kids are asleep. I don't mind running outside at night, but I have not done any biking at night. My main training route is on a fairly busy street. Most of my bike rides are done either over my lunch break from work or on the weekends. My wife has been very supportive in terms of handling the kids while daddy is out training. For my swims, I fit those in where I can. Sometimes it's immediately after work and before I have dinner, sometimes it's early Saturday morning, and I've even done a swim at 9:00 at night. Thankfully the pool at my Y is open until 10 pm. Not everybody has the flexibility in their schedule to train at lunch or has a spouse and children that are as understanding, but my point is that I squeeze my workouts into just about any open space in my day.
Keep working and keep your eye on the prize and you'll get there!

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Subject: RE: making the time to train?

Originally posted by scottjjmtri99 Okay, I've been guilty of not finding the time to train and having a bad case of the don't feel like its. How/when/where do those of you with small children make the time to train? Part of my problem I think is that I don't enjoy biking nearly as much as running and swimming is just a lack of motivation to get up in the morning and get to the pool. The entire family got struck with a flu bug last week. I'm back and ready to roll since Friday and just had a bad case of didn't feel like it to jump on the bike or go run. What motivates ya'll to get out the door? I do most of my training running/biking in the late afternoon during the week and tri to get a good ride/run in the mornings on the weekends. But that didn't happen at all this past weekend. Most of it was motivational others was situational, where my wife was on call and I couldn't be too far away if she got called in. Only time I can swim is in the morning before work. I've been getting better about making it to the pool, my biking is actually worse off than swimming or running. Anyone got any tricks they use? I'm open to just about anything right now. I don't have a tri-club close enough to make it to their group rides/runs and my buddy's schedule never seems to match up with mine to ride with either. Thanks for any ideas, motivation, ect. Scott

There have already been a few thoughtful and in-depth responses to this post but I would like to address the motivational aspect if I could.  I have small children as well (6 and 10) but my career/schedule is vastly different from the norm so I can't offer much in how to fit it all in.  From that perspective I live on an entirely different planet.  My respect goes out to you that do the 5am thing or the 9 and 10 at night thing.  I could, and have, made those hours on occasion but it would be very tough to do it consistently. 

Motivation to me is very internal. Spend some time thinking about why you do this.  Better health? Competitive outlet? Look and feel better? Personal challenge?  These are just a few of the ones that come to mind for me.  Yours may be different.  You don't have to get out of bed in the morning and go to the pool or get on that bike, but you want to for some reason.  You may not want to right that minute, but there is a reason you started all of this.  Try to remind yourself of what that reason is and use that big picture approach when you have those feelings of being tired or lazy, or whatever it is.  We've all been there, and we all have days like that.  There are times when you just have to push through and get a workout in when you don't feel it.  There are other times when your body is legitimately telling you it needs a day off.  Learning to tell the difference is key. 

Here is an example.  Last Thursday I had 2 threshold runs scheduled; a 3.25 miler and then a short lifting session followed by another hard 2 mile follow up run.  I do this workout often and it's tough but I know I can get through it.  Not Thursday.  I did my warm-up and could just tell that my body was saying it wasn't up for it and it was time to take a day off.  I listened.  Same thing Friday.  A short swim and a run.  I took that off too and just got an hour in at the gym instead.  Saturday morning, a 50 mile weekend ride scheduled.  Now I wake up Saturday morning and am groggy and don't feel like riding.  This is something different, this isn't my body telling me it needs rest, this is me being lazy early on a Saturday morning. I get out of bed, go to the kitchen, take a quick look outside, check the weather, etc.  Feeling tired I tell myself its not going to happen and go lay back down.  I lay there for 10 minutes, then convince myself to get back up.  I get up, go and eat breakfast, get online, check BT, etc.  I get up from the table and tell myself that now I am even more tired after eating.  I go lay back down again!   5 minutes I lay there with this internal conversation going on about whether to get up and go or lay there and be lazy.  I know from experience I will feel great after the workout and that I will feel horrible and that I let myself down it I don't get up.  Finally I jump up, throw my gear on and am out the door in less than 15 minutes.  Once I was outside, I felt great and knocked out a 51 mile ride on a beautiful Saturday morning.  The satisfaction of getting that volume in was even greater afterward because of the fact that I had gotten back in the bed and written the workout off twice.  I knew that my body was fresh and ready to go after what amounts to 2 days off prior.  I knew that this was just a mental hurdle and that I had to get up and get going. 

I really enjoy being out on the open road.  I have my ipod shuffle going and it is my time to get away and clear my head and get work done.  I will say that when I first started riding it was my weakest sport by far and I really didn't enjoy it much that first year or so.  But the more you ride, the better you get, and the better you get, the more you will enjoy it.  Trust me on that.  It is a process. 

So stick with it.  Keep the big picture and long term in mind.  Remind yourself why you are doing it in the first place and think about how you will feel after the workout.  Hope some of this helps.



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2014-06-30 5:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Dominion's Sprint/Oly Focus Group - OPEN
I would like to join the group.

My name is Benjamin, and I am a Marine who has recently found a desire to run triathlons. My focus is OLY at this time, but I eventually want to increase to half and then full Ironman. I am very new to the sport and I haven’t even signed up for a race yet, but I very hungry and I need some good advice considering how new I am to the sport.

Benjamin.
2014-06-30 9:00 PM
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Originally posted by Sunny-D I would like to join the group. My name is Benjamin, and I am a Marine who has recently found a desire to run triathlons. My focus is OLY at this time, but I eventually want to increase to half and then full Ironman. I am very new to the sport and I haven’t even signed up for a race yet, but I very hungry and I need some good advice considering how new I am to the sport. Benjamin.

Hi Benjamin.  Welcome.

Lots of knowledgeable and helpful people in this group and this forum in general.  If you have questions, ask away.

You say your focus is Olympic but you may want to find a Sprint somewhere just to get a little experience first.  It will give you a chance to iron out the little details and figure out what works best for you as far as setting up transitions and all the other small things that go into a race.  The other obvious questions are do you have a bike and how is your swimming.  Any Open water experience?  An Olympic distance race will most certainly be a 1500m open water swim. Do you have a race in mind or a timetable as to when you will race?

Just a few things to get you thinking.  Good luck and glad to have you join us.

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Originally posted by scottjjmtri99

Okay, I've been guilty of not finding the time to train and having a bad case of the don't feel like its. How/when/where do those of you with small children make the time to train? Part of my problem I think is that I don't enjoy biking nearly as much as running and swimming is just a lack of motivation to get up in the morning and get to the pool. The entire family got struck with a flu bug last week. I'm back and ready to roll since Friday and just had a bad case of didn't feel like it to jump on the bike or go run. What motivates ya'll to get out the door?

I do most of my training running/biking in the late afternoon during the week and tri to get a good ride/run in the mornings on the weekends. But that didn't happen at all this past weekend. Most of it was motivational others was situational, where my wife was on call and I couldn't be too far away if she got called in. Only time I can swim is in the morning before work. I've been getting better about making it to the pool, my biking is actually worse off than swimming or running. Anyone got any tricks they use? I'm open to just about anything right now. I don't have a tri-club close enough to make it to their group rides/runs and my buddy's schedule never seems to match up with mine to ride with either. Thanks for any ideas, motivation, ect.

Scott


Scott - I am a surgeon and take in house call about 5 times a month (30+ hours straight), at least one day every other weekend, all in addition to the typical 7-5 stuff. My wife is a physician assistant who works 12-14 hour days 3 days a week. I was doing most of my workouts after work but this left me picking up the kids those three days and rushing them home to go to bed. (my son is 5 and daughter is 2). For me the best plan was to workout before they get up most days. Its tough. I occasionally will manufacture a day off from....

just got called In for backup. will edit later

Sorry getting called in on backup happens only a couple times a year. When I started writting last night I hadn't gotten thru any of the other responses.

In short I feel less guilt if I do a majority of my workouts in the morning before my wife and kids wake up. When I worked out after work I felt like i was cutting out play time, dinner time, ect with my family. Early workouts make me feel like a better dad, and husband due to the demands of my work schedule. I do some workouts at night after the kids are in bed. Sometimes to work a day off I will do a morning bike one day at the gym, and evening run the next, and follow it by an AM swim. I get the sense of an off day because I didn't get up before 5 and my legs got a little extra rest. Or maybe I got up at 5 and we had breakfast together before heading out for school/work. For me the workout is a commitment that I make to myself everyday to be healthier, happier, to set a positive example, and to decompress.

I hope you can find a schedule that works or something to motivate you.

Nate



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