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2011-04-12 5:08 PM
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David -- I've got some family in Wilmington NC. We vacationed on the Outer Banks a few years back - great memories. Awesome dunes!

 

Steve: I will now be haunted by dead people images in the murky lakes of WI thanks to you! LOL Eeeeew Gross! 

 

George - your son looks like a natural. Nothing like our kids to get us out and motivated!



2011-04-12 5:14 PM
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DAVID -

Oops! Almost missed your post!

Okay, let's see.....

Practicing the new pedal system in a business park is a great idea -- just be reminded that that's where those hot-to-trot mid-teens are practicing their newfound driving skills!

As for the long swims, here's my thinking. You've got a bunch of races that require 500m-1000m swims, tops, with Pinehurst still about half a year away. While long swims are good just in and of themselves, I say those can be scrapped or modified as the need arises. I should check the swim distances for the three sprints you have on your race list; it might just be that none of them exceed even 800m.

So......think about modifying any of those >1200m swims to something between 800 and 1200. Alternatively, figure what your realistic swim time will be for the longest of the sprint swims, and go maybe five minutes longer than that on each of your longer swims. I really think that should suffice until early August, at which point you can start ramping up to the 1500 at Pinehurst. I just think it is bestter for you to (1) focus on technique and (2) focus on sprint-distnce swim-spped, than it is to plow out big yardage.

Is that a plan that is here at BT? If so, I'll have a look at it; let me know!

As for tapering for May 1, well, the last brief paragraph kind of applies here. But without seeing the plan I would scrap the workouts from Thursday on through the Sunday and replace them with nothing on Saturday, maybe a 25-30 minute ride on Friday, and an easy 20 minute run on Thursday, maybe including a few (3-5?) "pick-ups" of about 20s each. On either of those days you could also do a swim, preferably an easy mixed set: warm-up, a few 25-50 meter sprints with generous rest between them, a few 100-200 meter fast efforts with good rest between, and possibly a "cruise" of 400-600 meters. 800-1000m ought to do it.

If things need to be juggled, the ride could be on the Sturday, the earlier the better. Don't run. And if you swim on Saturday, keep it simple; maybe eliminate the 25-50m sprints.

Coming out of the race, look at the workouts you jettisoned and see if any seem to be "key" ones. If so, slot them in IN PLACE OF SOMETHING LESS IMPORTANT -- don't piggyback them on to other workouts, as everything suffers (or is compromised) when that is done.

What fish did you manage to catch; or was that not really the focus of the "fishing" trip?



2011-04-12 5:23 PM
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Hey...anyone have any feedback on Karhu running shoes? The are supposed to help you go forward with how they are made. I need all the help I can get!

On a side note, my right knee really OUCHED this am. I think its due to my sneakers started to degrade from use. I wear orthotics and they are hard so I don't think they wear out. Or maybe its from riding outside the other day or some heavy resistance I taught during last night's spin class... but dang! It still gives a little 'zing' from time to time. 

(Thus the question on Karhus...maybe time to get a new pair to rotate into the mix)

Edited to add: http://www.karhu.com/



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SARAH -

Karhu, eh? I have some experience, to wit:

I bought a pair several years ago, back in the bad old days of a really nasty neuroma, and I gave up on them because they really brought out all the symptoms of the neuroma.

Conversely, my LBS stocked them for a couple of years as their Running Shoe of Choice, and Ian -- owner and terrific runner -- said it is a great shoe. However, they have since discontinued them, but probably largely because it is too much oddball stock for a fairly small bike shop to carry.

I have been a Newton guy since late '07, and they work superbly for me. Their standard models are not for everyone, however --- but their newer "modified" models (Lady Isaac and Sir Isaac) just might be. "220 Triathlon" magazine from the U.K. just awarded these their "shoe of the year", and I will try to gbet a better idea of the diffs between Sir and Lady and Newton's regular models -- Distance, Gravity, Distance S, and Motion. Offhand, I think that the lugs are less obtrusive on Lady and Sir, and don't force a person forefoot quite a s radically --- which is good in avoiding the common initial problems of calf strain/pain, and plantar and Achilles, that can come with the transition to running more forefoot, or even midfoot.

I could talk about this for quite a while; should I?





2011-04-13 8:46 AM
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thanks Steve. I always get 'lost' when looking at shoes. There's a fancy place in town where they analyze you feet/gait etc.. then put you into a shoe but I'm skeptical because A. most peeps aren't up on orthotics' use or frown upon them and B. usually can get the same shoe somewhere else cheaper. But I may just have to check them out. What compounds my problem is that it is only ONE foot that really only gives me issues.....the foot that I had 'fixed' with a bunionectomy years ago (never would do THAT again! due to the loss of flexibility and frankly I think it was the late 80's shoes that finally did my feet in or maybe I just got older and wiser and rarely (note that I didn't say never) wear pointy uncomfortable shoes anymore

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George,

I also joined a local group recently.  it is nice to have people to talk to about this stuff. They usually have their meetings on the nights I teach but when I can make it I go.  They are not judgemental and it is a good way to find out about things they do locally to train.  I have been looking for a group ride and I found one. I have not gone yet but I will soon.  I am waiting for the semester to be over to get serious about outdoor riding.  The weather has also been pretty bad around here.  Anyway I think the local tri club is a great way to connect so keep going back.  You can always choose which events to attend or if you want to ride or run with them. 

You know I had the same experience a the doctor's office. His scale doesn't work too well. It says I weigh more than the one I have at home (the old one). I am still trying to master the new scale.  It does not actually have a readout on it you need to pair it with a computer.  I also have a Garmin 310XS which reads the scale information.  But you may be right I may need to go back to school and get a degree in advanced mathematics so I can operate the thing. It sounded like a good idea but now I have to spend many hours trying to figure out how it works.  And that does not burn many calories. 

Ellen

 

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stevebradley - 2011-04-06 8:12 PM DANIEL - And as for your 1500m swim --- pain or pleasure? Also, how was the volunteer gig at Oceanside? Inspirational? Motivational? Just plain tiring??

 

The swims are still a painful pleasure, I hate them while I am swimming but I love the way I feel after I have finished.

 

The Oceanside event was nice.  The organizers were a bit miss lead but other than that it was not too bad.  I was told to park by my post, after i was finished I tried to go check out the expo and the finish line but there was no parking anywhere, I looked for almost 1.5 hrs before heading home.  I think there were a few things that were reinforced for me as a result of volunteering:

1) Don't enter a race/event if you cant change your own flat tire.  I changed like 4 or 5 of them for people who had no idea how to change them.  And too top it off they bitched at me the whole time for taking too long. I was a volunteer so any aid I gave was RACE LEGAL.

2) Don't get cought up in the adrennaline rush, race at your pace.

3) A light fancy bike will not make you faster.  You don't need a $5K+ bike to be competitive.  Save you money for quality family time until you need to upgrade you rig.

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LycraCladChamp - 2011-04-13 11:50 AM

stevebradley - 2011-04-06 8:12 PM DANIEL - And as for your 1500m swim --- pain or pleasure? Also, how was the volunteer gig at Oceanside? Inspirational? Motivational? Just plain tiring??

 

3) A light fancy bike will not make you faster.  You don't need a $5K+ bike to be competitive.  Save you money for quality family time until you need to upgrade you rig.

Shhhh, don't tell my wife I may want an upgrade someday.



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Opinions on this bike?

It is in KC but I can get a family member to pick it up.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/2314893377.html

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Opinions on this bike?

It is in KC but I can get a family member to pick it up.

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/bik/2314893377.html

 

I know felt makes quality bikes, and for the price you cant beat a 105 groupo.

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stevebradley - 2011-04-06 8:12 PM DANIEL - And as for your 1500m swim --- pain or pleasure? Also, how was the volunteer gig at Oceanside? Inspirational? Motivational? Just plain tiring??

 

3) A light fancy bike will not make you faster.  You don't need a $5K+ bike to be competitive.  Save you money for quality family time until you need to upgrade you rig.

Shhhh, don't tell my wife I may want an upgrade someday.

 

I don't see the NEED for the expense.  I mean yeah I WANT the 4 blade aerospoke wheel set, but is the maybe 5 min total time saved going to instantly make me a pro? I think not. Is the Dura-Ace DI2 or Compy Super Record group-o going to save me more then 30 sec? I think not. 

You could argue that there is a weight savings issue that comes with these high end groupos, I will counter you and say you could save the money and buy quality whole foods.  If your diet is not in top notch shape then you could stand to loose a few pounds.  The equipment isn't going to magically make you faster. You make a Ford Escort look pretty but it will not win a drag race, same thing with us.  I feel the money would be better spent on a swim coach.  But these are just my opinions.




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stevebradley - 2011-04-06 8:12 PM DANIEL - And as for your 1500m swim --- pain or pleasure? Also, how was the volunteer gig at Oceanside? Inspirational? Motivational? Just plain tiring??

 

3) A light fancy bike will not make you faster.  You don't need a $5K+ bike to be competitive.  Save you money for quality family time until you need to upgrade you rig.

Shhhh, don't tell my wife I may want an upgrade someday.

 

I don't see the NEED for the expense.  I mean yeah I WANT the 4 blade aerospoke wheel set, but is the maybe 5 min total time saved going to instantly make me a pro? I think not. Is the Dura-Ace DI2 or Compy Super Record group-o going to save me more then 30 sec? I think not. 

You could argue that there is a weight savings issue that comes with these high end groupos, I will counter you and say you could save the money and buy quality whole foods.  If your diet is not in top notch shape then you could stand to loose a few pounds.  The equipment isn't going to magically make you faster. You make a Ford Escort look pretty but it will not win a drag race, same thing with us.  I feel the money would be better spent on a swim coach.  But these are just my opinions.


I totally agree. I really don't see moving to a more expensive bike for the foreseeable future. I'm very happy with my bike. If I am concerned about weight which I am the weight needs to come off the rider not the bike. Like to the tune of a couple 2 or 3 bikes.  

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Was feeling very frustrated-the gym still hasn't fixed the motor or whatever for the pool so I skipped it tonight, after cutting it short Monday due to being too cold, so I came home did  short night ride in the neighborhood-some hill repeats and a 3.06 brick run-where I somehow managed a 26:17! These things shock the stuffing out of me after so many weeks of 10** minute miles, not sure where an 8:35 came from? Maybe working out the frustrations of the week?
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Av8rTx - 2011-04-13 8:14 PM Was feeling very frustrated-the gym still hasn't fixed the motor or whatever for the pool so I skipped it tonight, after cutting it short Monday due to being too cold, so I came home did  short night ride in the neighborhood-some hill repeats and a 3.06 brick run-where I somehow managed a 26:17! These things shock the stuffing out of me after so many weeks of 10** minute miles, not sure where an 8:35 came from? Maybe working out the frustrations of the week?

Great run, well done!

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LycraCladChamp - 2011-04-13 11:50 AM

stevebradley - 2011-04-06 8:12 PM DANIEL - And as for your 1500m swim --- pain or pleasure? Also, how was the volunteer gig at Oceanside? Inspirational? Motivational? Just plain tiring??

 

3) A light fancy bike will not make you faster.  You don't need a $5K+ bike to be competitive.  Save you money for quality family time until you need to upgrade you rig.

Shhhh, don't tell my wife I may want an upgrade someday.

 

I don't see the NEED for the expense.  I mean yeah I WANT the 4 blade aerospoke wheel set, but is the maybe 5 min total time saved going to instantly make me a pro? I think not. Is the Dura-Ace DI2 or Compy Super Record group-o going to save me more then 30 sec? I think not. 

You could argue that there is a weight savings issue that comes with these high end groupos, I will counter you and say you could save the money and buy quality whole foods.  If your diet is not in top notch shape then you could stand to loose a few pounds.  The equipment isn't going to magically make you faster. You make a Ford Escort look pretty but it will not win a drag race, same thing with us.  I feel the money would be better spent on a swim coach.  But these are just my opinions.


OK, what are groupos?

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SARAH -

The podiatrist who removed a problematic neuroma in early '06 is quite a trip -- incredibly opinionated, and never minces words. She is in every way very much her own person.

One day I showed at at her office and she was wearing very pointy shoes. I asked her how much those shoes bothered her feet, and how risky they were to wear. She just smiled at me, and said "Remember, I'm a podiatrist and I know all about feet -- AND I know how to shop for shoes that won't hurt me at all." To me, they looked like killers for anyone with foot problems -- neuromas, bunions, hammertoes, whatever -- but she wore them with impunity.

When my left bunion (always prominent, never a problem) acted up last Oct/Nov/Dec, my sports doctor was adamant that I shoudl never ever think of having serious repairs done to it, especially ones that involve rods. Is that what happened to you? Until my visit with him I had lopng thought that bunion surgery was quite commonplace and relatively harmless, but according to him the latter is far from the case. Anyhow, i'm sorry you have on-going issues with the bunion.




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GENE -

I sort of know the answer to the gruppo question, although Jeff and Daniel probably know it better.

Gruppo is an Italian (I'm sure I have that part correct!) term that applies to some (or maybe all?) of the mechanical parts of a bike. This would include shifters, rings, cassettes, derailleurs.......and maybe brakes.....and maybe brackets.....and here is where it gets fuzzier for me.

When Daniel mentioned 105 and Dura-Ace, he's talking about two of the three major gruppos made by Shimano (Ultegra is the third). Shimano likely makes more gruppos, but these are the three that sem to be found in better-quality road and tri bikes.

Of the three 105 is the least expensive -- but still very good quality. Next in line is Ultegra, and then Dura-Ace is high-end. When I got my P2C in '08, my LBS counseled me against paying the extra $500 for Dura-Ace, even though they know I am serious and would readily have sprung for it. But they just feel that the benefits it offers above Ultegra are not worth the cost, so I took their advice and stayd with Ultegra, which came stock on the bike.

I am pretty sure that my first serious bike, a Cervelo P2K was mostly 105, and I had no problems with it at all. My P2C is a better-performing bike, but a large part of that might be that it is carbon-frame, as opposed to the aluminum of the old P2K model. I don't question that the Ultegra groupset (English for gruppo) contributes to the performance.....but I just don't know enough about mechanical matters (or the finer aspect of "bike-feel") to be able to judge that.


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DANIEL -

Great comments, too, on where money can be best spent to make us all faster. I guess you know that the current thinking suggests that a good aero helmet will shave more seconds than a really expensive set of race wheels, so then the question comes to whether one wants to lay out $2000 or $300.

Of course, the aero helmet only becomes beneficially if the rider wearing it has a good/great riding postion that they can sustain so that the helmet doesn't turn into a source of drag! That then beggers the question of how much riding a rider has to do to get comfortable in optimal riding positions, and the answewr to that is usually quite a bit.

So ------ long before big bucks should be spent of on really high-end bike....and sweet race wheels.....and a modernistic aero-helmet.....one should work pretty hard on building their riding skills and doing whatever tweaking is necessary on whatever bike they are on.

I cannot tell you the number of times I have been at a race and seen a guy all tricked-out on a bike that is all tricked-out, and it turns out he rides poorly, period. I guess it's everyone's own decision as to where they spend their discretionary income, and if one wants to start with the best toys, well, that's a personal choice. But the best toys sure don't confer immediate fast times, and unless one has very specific gifts, all those increases in speed come with time and hard work.

My old coach used to say that it takes about five years of serious riding before one becomes a good cyclist; does that sound about right to you?




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JEFF -

OUTSTANDING run! You know, sometimes we spend so long on a particular plateau that we figure that's where we'll spend the rest of our days --- and then the day comes along where it all clicks in and we've hit a new peak. Voila!!

The problems I have always had with those happenings is that I invariably expect the next workout to ratchet up the performance another notch (or at least stay at the new sweet level).....and then I get stunned when it doesn't happen quite that way. My old coach used to keep reminding me that training and racing are not linear in terms of results and performance, and to this day I still struggle with that. I may have a great run or swim on one day and then a less-great one the next day.....and I find myself worrying that I will never again hit that higher level. Dumb-thinking, eh?

And may you pool be fixed soon!!!!


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I've been gone all day......and I guess all of you have been, too.

Cold and windy outside ride today, made even less pleasant by left hip/groin problems. Good swim, though, even better becasue it was in a pool I usually don't much like.

My Bruins are down to the hated Canadians, 1-0. My Red Sox continue to be shockingly stinky. My Celtics are playing with all the heart of a wharf piling. Bah!!




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Ok, the fourth sport of triathlon is not transitions, it's putting on your wetsuit!


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JEFF -

Have you managed to get it off yet?


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JEFF -

Once you've decided on a suit to keep and cherish as your own, it'll get easier because then you'll be able to use products such as BodyGuide and PAM. The latter is less expensive, so that's what I use on my legs -- spray them from the knees down to the ankles, and then when you work your hands into the legs of the suit, they glide really nicely on your PAMed legs. Some people use it on the forearms for the same reason. Great stuff, but just remember to get the "original" formuklation of it; the crawdads and pickerels might be attracted to the various gourmet flavors thatPAM now comes in.

BodyGlide is best for the neck -- apply liberally to ensure that you don't chafe there and end up with unsightly and very painful "wetsuit hickeys". It will also work on the legs annd arms as a removal lubricant, but you can run through a contained of it pretty quickly that way.

So --- how's it feel to be a Neoprene Dream??

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On and off twice last night. The first time was easier than the second-sweat probably, also the first time I wore my tri top the second time shirtless. I may try babypowder and body glide is recomended by the company, they discourage other products. It is a 2XU
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Checking in!

Yesterday was busy, busy , busy for me. My youngest totaled her car a couple of months ago and has been shopping for a new used one. She has an insurance check and she wants to spend it She's down in So Cal and I'm in NorCal so I told her if she researched and sent me ads, i would follow up on them. I've missed out on 2 really good cars now by showing up right after the buyer. So she found another one and yesterday I got up at 5:00 for swim at 5:30, dropped my horse trailer off to get new tires by 8:00 and was at the guys house by 8:45. By 9:30 I had bought her the car. Then I spent the rest of the morning going back and forth getting the car home, picking up my trailer, etc. I had an afternoon commitment to trail ride with a friend and then last night Dave was given tickets to the Sharks playoff game so I didn't get home until 11:30 since they had an OVERTIME WIN!!!!!!!!!

The only bad part of the day was I missed my bike workout It's the first workout I've missed since I got back from vacation but oh well! We're doing a 100K bike ride Saturday so missing wasn't the end of the world. This morning I slept (intentionally) through 5:30 swim and now I'm debating if I want to go to 9:00 swim or catch up on what I get behind in yesterday. 

Hope everyone has a good day and a great weekend!

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