Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next year
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2008-09-07 12:45 PM |
Veteran 215![]() ![]() Kalamazoo, MI | Subject: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearI'm looking to buy my first road bike in two decades. I've spent some time in the local bike shops trying out a number of bikes and I've decided that there are a few things I definitely want:
While at my LBS I rode a Trek Madone 4.5 w/ compact crank. It's a nice bike but the price is hefty - particulary for my first road bike in quite a long time. The owner offered to drop the price by $100 since it's a 2008 but that didn't seem like a huge drop - it's still an $1800 bike. I've also been looking at some bikes on BikesDirect. Yes - I know it's not supporting my LBS but since I intent to drop quite a bit there in the way of accessories I'm not feeling that bad about it. If I go the BD way I can pick up a carbon frame with a nice carbon fiber/Ultegra package for around $1300. An aluminum frame with carbon fork/seat stay would run down to $800. I'm a bit torn - part of me wants to go with the LBS/Trek but another says that this is the first road bike I'll have spent any time on in the last two decades. It seems potentially foolish to spend that much on a bike when I haven't really ridden enough distance to know what I really want (or even if I'll enjoy riding distance). I can a) buy the Trek - it's a good bike b) buy the higher end BD bike - it has better components at a lower price c) buy the lower end BD - similar components to Trek and much cheaper or d) wait to buy a bike until next year, hoping there are better deals in March - keep riding the mountain bike for the fall and move to the spin class at the gym for the winter. Any thoughts or words of wisdom? Jason |
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2008-09-07 2:46 PM in reply to: #1656285 |
Pro 6767![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearAnother way to look at this is that you haven't changed your bike in 20 years. So spread out over that time, the bike's annual cost drops. I recently replaced my 16 year old Bianchi with a Madone 5.2. Pricey, but as I pointed out to mrs gearboy, I use my bikes a long time. (Of course, she is still on the 25 year old bike we got for $200 in med school....) Anyway, I had tested a few bikes, and like the 5.2 the best (components, frame, etc). There was a month long wait for the 5.2, or I could have gotten the 4.5 which was in stock. But as mrs gearboy pointed out, I had waited 16 years to get the new bike. Shouldn't I get the one that I liked best, instead of thinking for the next 16 years that I should have gotten "the other one"? Pick the bike that fits you best, and think of it as an investment. |
2008-09-07 4:11 PM in reply to: #1656420 |
Veteran 215![]() ![]() Kalamazoo, MI | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearThat's a valid point. I'd hate to end up regretting my bike choice a year from now because I cheaped out. I'm generally in favor of spending the extra money to get the thing I really want. I guess my biggest concern at this point is how much I'll enjoy riding a road bike. I haven't actually been on a road bike since I was a kid. Triathlon is the thing pushing me to move back to a road bike and I suspect I'm going to enjoy the cycling part of the training but I'm worried that I'll be wrong. Since I'm just getting started with triathlon, I'm not particulary worried about my finish time. At this point I'll quite happily take finishing - preferably not last - as an accomplishment. Given my somewhat less than lofty immediate goals and my relative lack of experience (and related lack of understanding about what's important to me in a bike) I'm wondering if I should cheap out and/or defer the buying decision. I suppose I could always ride my MTB in my first tri and hope that by then I'll know more about what I'm looking for. On the other hand I'm not nearly as excited about training on my old MTB. Decisions, decisions... |
2008-09-07 4:41 PM in reply to: #1656285 |
Champion 16151![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearRemember, the bike is the frame. Components merely hang off of that. So don't be seduced by "It's got Ultegra" instead of some 105 which is perfectly functional. You buy the best made, best fitting FRAME because that IS the bicycle. Based on that, I think you know which camp I'm in. |
2008-09-07 6:50 PM in reply to: #1656613 |
Veteran 215![]() ![]() Kalamazoo, MI | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearI think I'd be inclined to agree that the frame is the single most important component of the bike. The question then becomes, how experienced does one need to be to actually appreciate the difference between a great frame and a decent frame? And for that matter, how far up that slope should I talk myself? When I started looking I figured a $800 bike would be good enough... until I started looking at the $1500 bikes and then the $2500 bikes. Being a single guy I can spend the money where I want but, without someone there to sanity check me, I tend to get sold up... and up. One odd thing... when I was in my LBS the sales guy actually told me it's all about the components... that the frame didn't make that much difference. It seemed, at the time, like an awfully odd thing for a sales person in a LBS to say. Of course the sales guy was actually a very young sales guy so he may just be somewhat ill informed. |
2008-09-07 7:11 PM in reply to: #1656285 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearKeep looking...I visit 4-5 bike shops typically when I buy a new bike. I ask tons of questions and soon it is clear which is the right one for me. Lots of brands besides Trek and BikesDirect to consider. Fit is number one always. |
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2008-09-07 7:28 PM in reply to: #1656836 |
Veteran 215![]() ![]() Kalamazoo, MI | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearGood advice... I think next weekend I'll take a road trip up to the "big city" which has a much larger and nicer selection of bike shops. I suppose I've waited this long - waiting a bit longer to make sure I get the right bike makes sense. |
2008-09-07 8:48 PM in reply to: #1656836 |
Expert 758![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Morgantown, WV | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearKathyG - 2008-09-07 8:11 PM Keep looking...I visit 4-5 bike shops typically when I buy a new bike. I ask tons of questions and soon it is clear which is the right one for me. Lots of brands besides Trek and BikesDirect to consider. Fit is number one always.
I say comfort is number one. Made that mistake twice, probably will again. I loved my panasonic becuase it was comfy...and since have never found a bike that was comfy again...fast as hell, but not comfy. When I want to buy something big like this, I usually make myself walk away for a couple of days. Clears your head. You really consider what you want. Come back, start again. If you get carried away again, just walk away for 24 hours. PS Might as well break this out now. Here's a spread sheet I made this week with as many bikes as I could find in 2 days that were under 1500 and at least tiagra parts. Attachments ---------------- road bike research.xls (13KB - 39 downloads) |
2008-09-07 11:09 PM in reply to: #1656285 |
Master 1890![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Cypress, CA | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearIf you, like me, tend to keep your bike for a long time, take a look at the Ti bikes on bikesdirect. I got the Le Champion Ti earlier this year with a compact crank & all Ultegra, currently selling for about $1700. Totally love the bike, great ride, and expect the Ti frame to last forever. |
2008-09-08 6:52 AM in reply to: #1656803 |
Champion 16151![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearKzooJason - 2008-09-07 7:50 PM I think I'd be inclined to agree that the frame is the single most important component of the bike. The question then becomes, how experienced does one need to be to actually appreciate the difference between a great frame and a decent frame? And for that matter, how far up that slope should I talk myself? When I started looking I figured a $800 bike would be good enough... until I started looking at the $1500 bikes and then the $2500 bikes. Being a single guy I can spend the money where I want but, without someone there to sanity check me, I tend to get sold up... and up. One odd thing... when I was in my LBS the sales guy actually told me it's all about the components... that the frame didn't make that much difference. It seemed, at the time, like an awfully odd thing for a sales person in a LBS to say. Of course the sales guy was actually a very young sales guy so he may just be somewhat ill informed. Good question: I'll give my opinion on it. Some won't agree; that's their experience or perrogative to. Universal is fit and finish. Paint blemishes, crooked decals, etc. I looked at a Pinarello last week with a bubble in the top tube. I touched it and a 5mm piece flecked off. Poor QC there. Things like this are deal breakers. 1.) Carbon Fiber: This is likely the easiest material to discern quality. You look at the amount of "modulus" in the CF. In general, the tighter the weave, the better the material. "High modulus" isn't as strong or well manufactured as "super-high modulus". Some call it weave density with terms like 5K or 20K, etc. Each manufacturer has different specs for theirs. Check their top of the line versus lowest line and you can see what each one is about. The difference here is the amount of "glue" holding together the CF fibers. More glue = poorer frame. More "fiber" = better frame. 2.) Aluminum: What tubeset is it made from? 6000, 7000 series are typical materials (higher is better). Does it contain scandium making it lighter, yet less durable? How are the welds? Smoothed over for a better fit / finish or left as raw showing the extra step of cleaning them up was skipped in lieu of cheaper costs. 3.) Ti: You'll see things like 3.5/2V or the like. Higher numbers mean beter titanium. Again weld quality is important. I don't know a lick of steel bikes other than there's a loyal following out there. Flex, comfort and appearance all add together to determine frame quality. As for the guy basing you on components, he's partially right. Better components DO make your bike work better. But, they're all pretty good and you could swap out for little cost something which you don't like or doesn't function well enough. Your BEST value is when you can get an excellent quality frame with lower end components on it. Giant sells the TCR with 105 components on it and the same frame with Dura-Ace components. Same frame, different paint and different components. But, it's the same well made, good quality frame. It'll climb, corner, accelerate and handle just like it's Dura-Ace brother at far lower cost. DA will be a better shifting, possibly a few grams lighter and maybe smoother rolling bike. But negligible. Edited by pitt83 2008-09-08 6:57 AM |
2008-09-08 11:22 AM in reply to: #1656285 |
Master 1517![]() ![]() Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearI got a Mirage Pro and Im pretty happy with it. It lists for $600 (w/ shipping inc) on ebay. Its got some tri features (ie clip on aero bars) but its basically a road bike. I got it as my first road bike in 20 years as well. After looking at many LBS, classifieds and craigslist, I couldnt find a better deal for the price. my other reasoning for getting this one is, if I decided that I didnt want to continue doing tri's, (and therefore road biking because I prefer to Mt Bike), I would be able to sell it and get most of my money back since there are very few used bikes in the $300 to $500 range (BTW Im sticking w/ tri's) So I am set for the next couple years and eventually I will either A) get a new frame and transfer the gear or B) get a real tri bike, and thats when I'll spend some cash on a better ride. But this was a good option for me to see if this was something I would want to continue w/ without having to drop a lot of $$.
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2008-09-08 4:42 PM in reply to: #1657001 |
Veteran 215![]() ![]() Kalamazoo, MI | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearMight as well break this out now. Here's a spread sheet I made this week with as many bikes as I could find in 2 days that were under 1500 and at least tiagra parts. Thanks for sharing the spreadsheet, that'll save me some time and give me some stuff to look at! Looking at everyone's comments I think I need to spend a bit more time looking around and finding out what's out there. In the end it'll be worth the extra time to find something that's a good, comfortable ride at a good value. Thanks everyone for the feedback! Jason |
2008-09-08 10:01 PM in reply to: #1656285 |
Expert 760![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearYou could als look at getting a used bike for your first year. For instance, this was my first year doing tri's and I will be looking at upgrading my entry levl road bike at the end of the year. Not trying to hijack the thread, but to use myself as an example, I will be listing my bike in about 2 weeks and it suited me perfectly for my first year on the tri scene (it has aero bars and clip in pedals already). By lookin for good used bikes, you may be able to get a lot of the extras included. |
2008-09-08 11:06 PM in reply to: #1656285 |
Expert 937![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Traverse Cityish | Subject: RE: Trek, BikesDirect, or hold off till next yearBuy soon, prices are going up by 10 to 15% next year and not a lot of dealers have very much stock on the floors. Everyone is getting ready to hit Interbike and to start ordering 2009 models for the floor. |
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