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2008-10-26 8:23 PM

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So we are in the process of converting our garage into a workout room and I was wondering..... Since I first lifted weights I have always been told to use free weights to build mass and machines to tone. As we will be putting weights in our workout room I wonder, should I buy a machine(ie bowflex) or should I buy a bench, dumbells and plates?
My goal is to add mass then tone it. Yes, being military I have access to all the above on base but this is so that my wife and I can workout together and not worry about getting a sitter for the kids.
So, just looking for some input. Thanks in advance.

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2008-10-26 8:48 PM
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As a person who has access to most home gym type of set-ups, I would suggest the following.  Power-rack (with chin-up attachment), bench with incline and leg attachments, and dumbbells.  In addition get elastic power bands, inflatable balls, and mat.  With these items you could use something else, but there is no "need" to.  I've done Smith machine -waste; I've done pulley systems - elastic bands are a cheap and suitable substitute; I've done treadmills - get out on the road.  I still have a elliptical/large paper-weight.  Your mileage may vary, but those are my suggestions.

 

 

2008-10-26 8:48 PM
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Mass and tone will be dependent upon weight and repetition.  The more weight with lower reps (3 sets of 7 at 85% max for example) will build mass.  Hi reps 15+/per set at lower weight will build tone.  Machines are good for isolation of target muscle groups and also helpful if you dont have a lifting partner for spotting.  Free weights more effectively engage both the target muscle groups and complementary stabilizing muscle groups.  I personally do some strength training, but many (...Jorge...) feel that "lifting weights will make you better at lifting weights...not any better at swimming, cycling or running..."   Good luck, Cam.
2008-10-26 10:36 PM
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Well, the one nice thing about bowflex is that you can find them real cheap in the classifieds.  Then again, maybe that tells you something....

2008-10-27 12:36 AM
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mdickson68 - 2008-10-26 10:36 PM

Well, the one nice thing about bowflex is that you can find them real cheap in the classifieds. Then again, maybe that tells you something....




It tells you that BowFlex has an amazing advertising division since people who are looking for a quick fix to being fat buy the BowFlex and realize it's not the quick fix they were looking for and they dump it.

But I agree with what was mentioned above. I don't lift weight. I find that after I lift the DOMS just hinders my performance during other training sessions. I count hills as lifting on the bike and run and paddles strength training in the water.
2008-10-27 10:08 AM
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I'm a strong believer in free weights rather than any bowflex type machine.  You use more muscles (stabilizers) when you use free weights.  I do recommend some type of 'rack' so you can do things like bench presses/squats with a bit of safety/no spotter.   Depends on the rack but some have a pullup bar that is nice (I can't do pullups yet but some day...) and some have cables which are nice for various types of exercises. 


2008-10-27 10:20 AM
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I keep my weights in the fridge.
2008-10-27 11:32 AM
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Adding mass vs. toning is not a result of the type of equipment you're using. You can achieve either goal (mass/tone) with either type (free/machine). Higher weight + lower rep = greater gains in muscle size. Lower weight + higher rep = greater gains in tone/efficiency.

That said, your body responds best to variety in the stresses you present it.  A good weight plan will mix up the types of workouts to keep your body from plateauing at any given time.

I think you should also keep in mind that strength to weight ratio is the key to performance in most sports. Adding extra pounds without greater gains in strength is most likely counter productive. Though, in your line of work a more formidable pressence is probably just as important. Giant cannons hanging off your shoulders definately help with that, but won't make you bike or run any faster.

2008-10-27 11:52 AM
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Scout7 - 2008-10-27 11:20 AM I keep my weights in the fridge.

That's not a bad plan.  The manufacturer says to use weights at 37-42 degrees, which is around fridge temperature.  I personally like my weights a little bit warmer, so I take them out a few minutes before lifting.

2008-10-27 12:27 PM
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mdickson68 - 2008-10-27 12:52 PM

Scout7 - 2008-10-27 11:20 AM I keep my weights in the fridge.

That's not a bad plan.  The manufacturer says to use weights at 37-42 degrees, which is around fridge temperature.  I personally like my weights a little bit warmer, so I take them out a few minutes before lifting.

I like mine somewhere closer to 50.  And I don't go for any of that light stuff.  Hard and heavy is what I prefer.

2008-10-27 12:42 PM
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Personally, I would not waste time, money, or effort on machines or a bowflex. Free weights &/or strength training that requires the use to balance & stablize the weight is without a doubt the way to go. If you want to have a good quality workout at home go w/ the free weights. A power rack can be a great addition if possible. A bonus w/ the free weights is you can get better results w/ fewer number of exercises if you choose the correct lifts & get a good workout set up.


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