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2005-05-15 11:56 AM

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Subject: race distance brick for oly?
I did several race distance bricks before my sprint, and I have one 40K/10K brick planned two weeks before the oly. Is this advisable? Right now I am training right at race distance on my long runs and long bikes, so am kinda worried about DNF, and I want to do the race distance brick mostly for peace of mind. But there's so little time left, that I don't want to risk hurting myself in training when I could be saving it all for the race.

The other element here is the heat and humidity, which have blindsided me the last week or so. I've had to cut short some runs that should've been no problem because of heat complications, so I'm still learning how to run in the heat. Out in it every day trying to acclimate, but I only have a month. If it were 75 degrees with little humidity, I wouldn't be worried about finishing the race. With 70 - 80% humidity, it's a whole different story and I'm kinda worried that I'm not in good enough condition to do this safely. Would rather find out at home on a long brick than at the race.

What say ye?


2005-05-15 1:04 PM
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I would say the number one factor in determining your training would be your ability to stay hydrated. I live in the desert, and I often work outside when I can. In the summer it is can get to 100 degrees (F) in the shade. You can't train and race if you are in an emergency room with three or four I.V's full of saline solution sticking out of your arm. I have seen first hand how quickly dehydration can affect the human body. It is not pretty at all. It can turn deadly before you know what happened. My suggestion would be to train smarter and not necessarily harder. And hydrate!
2005-05-15 10:26 PM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?

I would agree with John, you really need to watch your hydration in a climate such as yours.  Hopefully you are running with some kind of hydration device at the moment such as a Fuel Belt.

I myself am doing an Oly next month.  I think that you should do some race specific bricks, but they don't necesarily have to be the same distance.  For example you could do a 20/5 or a 30/7 brick at a little under race pace.

However the most important thing for me when I'm doing a brick is my HR.  I almost NEVER let it get above 150 in training.  If it starts to get close to that range then it's time to back off.  Although when you're a few weeks out, you can probably afford to push it a little more.

Good luck with your race.  I hope this helps some??  I think if you watch your hydration and HR and stay within yourself then you should be fine.

2005-05-15 10:39 PM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?
A couple of quick ideas:
#1 - use salt tablets to help with the heat
#2 - make sure you use water and something with sodium and electrolytes - HEED workd great
#3 - run bricks before the race: instead of 40k/10k try a 10 mile bike/2.5 mile run and then repeat so its bike/run/bike/run - you can the same benefits of the bike/run without the pounding. I would suggest a race pace effort for 10-15 minutes of bike #2 and run #2 - teach your body what race day will feel like.

let me know if you have questions...
2005-05-15 11:43 PM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?

I have an Oly tri next weekend.  The training plan I'm using had me do a brick today.  The plan called for 1:30 bike / :30 run.  The first 1:00 of the bike was in zone 2.  The last :30 of the bike was at race pace - zone 4 to 5a.  The first :15 of the run was in zone 2 and the last :15 was at race pace - zone 4 to 5a.  I felt great doing this workout.  Next weekend will be my second tri.  My first was a sprint.  I have done a couple bricks like this and feel pretty confident about next weekend.

Hope this helps.

TJ

2005-05-16 1:03 AM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?
I hear you. I have just did a 40K/5K brick yesterday. I'm like you, I want the piece of mind knowing that I've done the 40/10. Next weekend I'm going for the 40/10, then I'll feel comfortable I'm read

Good luck!

ps. I found that the longer bricks do wear you down and take longer to recover from. I like the post that recommended more shorter bricks!


2005-05-16 7:00 AM
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The last three weeks before a race I always go for a run off the bike, even if it is only for a mile or two. I do some scheduled longer bricks, but I feel my body responds better when it knows what is coming.
2005-05-16 7:39 AM
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Fo you guys and gals that are beginners - one thing to remember is that it will take longer to recover from a 2:00 hour workout than someone who has been racing for a while. I don't advise long brick a week before as it will take you well past race day to recover from that type of workout. The oly saying is its better to be 10% under trained, than 1% over trained. Keep in mind that it takes at least 10 days for your body to absorb a workout. Anything that is hard and done within that window before a race, will affect your race. So - keep the bricks short within 10 days out and keep the intensity moderate.


Weekly bricks are fine as long as they don't interfere with your other workouts - in other words, they don't take so long to recover from that you end up compromising other workouts.

Hope this helps.
2005-05-16 9:22 AM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?
Thanks to all for the great replies, and thanks Mike for the specific training tips.
Regarding hydration, I just went out and (against the advice of many of you who are ardent amphipod supporters) bought a 2.1L Camelback backpack. Too much water, definitely, but it was awesome on the run yesterday and am looking forward to my 90-minute-plus runs from here on out (look for a review in the gear section). I will keep in mind the electrolyte replacements too, thanks.

I should've mentioned that I've been doing a few bricks per week for several months, and my long rides and runs on the weekend now are always back to back with a shorter activity...IE, I always do a 2 mile run after my long ride and a 30 minute warmup bike before my long run. Weekdays I'm doing swim/bike bricks or swim/run because I don't have a scheduled that permits many two-a-days...it's either brick or single activity.

With that in mind, does a 40K/10K brick 2 weeks out still not make sense? Don't want to overdo if it's not necessary except to put my obsessive mind at ease.....

Thanks again
2005-05-16 10:09 AM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?

Let me pull out a couple things from your posts and give you my opinion...

madeye - 2005-05-15 9:56 AM I Right now I am training right at race distance on my long runs and long bikes, so am kinda worried about DNF, and I want to do the race distance brick mostly for peace of mind. ... 

I should've mentioned that I've been doing a few bricks per week for several months, and my long rides and runs on the weekend now are always back to back with a shorter activity...IE, I always do a 2 mile run after my long ride and a 30 minute warmup bike before my long run.

You have no reason to fear a DNF.  If you can do the race distance within the context of your training week, you will have no trouble doing them both at the tail end of a taper.  Think about how fatigued you are for your weekend efforts now, and remember that on race day you will be fresh and poised for action!  Moreover, if you always add a little bit extra to your race-distance sessions, you will be that much more ready.  You do not, IMO, need a race-distance brick in order to be able to finish.  If you want it to build fitness, but are wary of your ability to recover, push it back to two weeks prior.

The other element here is the heat and humidity, which have blindsided me the last week or so. I've had to cut short some runs that should've been no problem because of heat complications, so I'm still learning how to run in the heat. Out in it every day trying to acclimate, but I only have a month. If it were 75 degrees with little humidity, I wouldn't be worried about finishing the race. With 70 - 80% humidity, it's a whole different story and I'm kinda worried that I'm not in good enough condition to do this safely. Would rather find out at home on a long brick than at the race. What say ye?

Not sure where "flatland" is, nor where your race is, but you need to do three things to acclimate yourself to the heat:

  1. Hydrate.  Preferably with a sports drink.  Water alone doesn't have all the stuff your body needs.
  2. Weigh Yourself.  Before you workout, weigh yourself naked, then do so again after your workout.  Your goal is to weigh the same before and after.  Each pound you lose equates to 16 oz of fluid.  And know that weight loss as little as 2% starts to affect performance.
  3. Spend Time.  You have to train in the heat to be able to train or race in the heat.  Spend some time out there, and follow #1 and #2 above while doing so, and you'll get better at it.

That's enough for this morning.  Enjoy your race!

2005-05-16 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?
I think your schedule sounds fine - I think a 40k/10k is too much and would either cut it back to 20 miles - 4 miles or use the double brick like I mentioned. i don't think you need to do more than that. With my own athletes I usually cap the time at like 1:15 bike and :45 run - with the run being 10-15 minutes at race pace.

I love my camel back - a great tool most folks don't utilize!

Good luck in the race!


2005-05-16 12:49 PM
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Thanks again, Mike and Phil. I do appreciate the feedback and detail.

2005-05-16 1:02 PM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?
Agree with above...not that Iam qualified too. Why risk not performing to your fullest

Edited by mtorment 2005-05-16 1:04 PM
2005-05-16 1:14 PM
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Subject: RE: race distance brick for oly?
This is something Ben Rothleisberger is still trying to figure out from the AFC Championship game - sorry couldn't resist!

GO PATRIOTS!
2005-05-16 1:19 PM
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Hurtfull and Unnecessary...but funny. I am over it...or at least thats what my therapist says
2005-05-16 1:27 PM
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Now that's funny! I didn't mean to hurt you. I hope we get to play you guys again in this years AFC Champs. Hopefully at our home next time. You guys have a bright future with Ben, no doubt about it.


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