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2012-02-05 8:29 AM

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Subject: Recovery week into week one

So I've been training three weeks on and one week recovery for a while. It seems no matter what I do the week after recovery is my worst week by far. I just feel like my legs forgot how to push during the recovery week. Weeks 2 and 3 I get into a groove and kick butt. When the recovery week comes I'm glad to have it and need it.

I've lowered both my recovery week volume and intensity but got on the trainer this morning for my long ride and once again just felt like crap and only got in half my planned time.

Week three ride 3:15:00, 223 average watts, 132 average heart rate

Week one ride 1:30:00 212 average watts, 131 average heart rate

The week three ride was effortless. I sprinted the last 20 minute of that workout. Todays ride I had to work to maintain a much lower rate. The funny thing is I'll make up the time during the week and when I do my long ride next Sunday morning it will look like the last week three ride.

Overall I keep making gains. A small sampling but I do have my complete logs for the last year on the site.

11/20 ride 2:30:00, 210 watts, 137 average heart rate

11/13 ride 2:15:00 216 watts, 141 average heart rate

So there's been a nice slow progression of watts going up and heart rate coming down.

Runs are the same

1/28 15 miles, 8:54/mile, 150 average HR

12/21 15 miles, 9:14/mile,  148 average HR

11/26 12.2 miles 9:16/mile, 146 average HR

9/23 11.8 miles 9:48/mile, 141 average HR

Here's a detail of the last roation.

1/8 week 1
Sun bike 46.47, 2.5 hours in upper zone one and lower zone two
Mon run 14.75 9:25 pace
Tue swim 3300 masters
Wed bike 30.29 intervals 238 average watts and 411 max
Thur swim 3250 masters
Fri Run 7.15 first and last mile slow middle 5 tempo
Sat bike 25.14 low zone 1
101.90, 21.90, 6550
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1/15 week 2
Sun bike 55.08 216 average watts upper zone 1 lower zone 2
Mon run 7 first and last slow middle 5 tempo
Tue swim 3100, run 3 run is zone 1
Wed bike 34 interval 248 average watts 516 max
Thur swim 3400, body parts
Fri Run 15 8:56/mile on threadmill due to snow 140 average hr flat to work on turnover
Sat bike 27 mid zone 1
117, 25, 6500
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1/22 week 3
Sun bike 60 3:15:00 z1/z2 felt awesome and sprinted the last 20 minutes
Mon run 7 first and last slow middle 5 tempo
Tue swim 3200, run 4 run is zone one
Wed bike 24 intervals heavy 240 average watts 564 max
Thur swim 3900, bike 12 recovery speed
Fri  bike 27 recovery and z1
Sat Run 15 8:54/mile 150 average HR felt awesome and ran the last mile @ 7:55
125, 26, 7100
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1/29 Recovery
Sun bike 25 105 average heart rate
Mon  run 5.25 116 average heart rate
Tue swim 3000, run 4.5 116 average heart rate

web bike 23 106 average heart rate
thur swim 3000, run 4.25 miles 105 average heart rate

fri bike 19 106 average heart rate
sat OFF
66, 14, 6000

Am I over thinking this or does anybody have any ideas as to why I feel worse on my week one when I should be fresh? The reason this really bothers me is what happens when I taper for my race? Am I going to feel like garbage for the race? My first HIM is in June so I have time to work this out but it's literally been like this for months with this morning being the worst to date.



2012-02-05 9:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Recovery week into week one

Disclaimer: I only read as far as the second paragraph where you said that you are decreasing both volume and intensity during recovery weeks.  After that, I quickly got information overload.  Wink

Instead of reducing both, only decrease volume.  Maintain the same intensity as the build weeks.  This can help you recovery without feeling "flat".

 



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2012-02-05 10:00 AM
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I agree with maintaining intensity during your recovery week.

I'd also go a step further and suggest just ditching the recovery week.  If your legs start to feel fatigued to the point where you cannot perform as prescribed, just take a day off.  Do this as needed, not on a schedule.

2012-02-05 10:19 AM
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You mentioned power; do you track tss? If so, you might be able to check and see if you are letting your ctl drop too much during recovery. I like to hold my ctl flat during my recovery week which means my atl will come down to ctl levels, but not lower. That pretty much levels everything out because the faster I am ramping ctl, the more atl will come down, and the more recovery I'll get. I wonder where your tsb is at the end of the recovery week... Keep note of that number so you'll know how much taper you need.

I'm still keeping intensity during my recovery week because I do a fair amount of testing. Pretty soon I'll be throwing in some b and c races (5ks/10ks and sprints) during my recovery week to check my progress.

2012-02-05 10:28 AM
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First 4 years I trained, I did build weeks then recovery week. I did 3/1 and even 2/1 and towards the end 10 days/4 days. The following year I worked on training consistently and rarely took rest day or rest week. Turns out my body handled consistent volume and intensity (gradually building training load) much better and I felt more even all the time.  It had been put in my head that I need to do build/recovery weeks but I found that wasn't true which surprised me. I worked with coaches during this time and my 4th year with same coach found I was tired often and felt fatigued. In hindsight it was my volume was inconsistent that my body didn't handle well. When I switched to consistent training I think I had 3 rest weeks in 8 months.

What works for me is to have a weekly schedule that fits into my life that goes from general to race specific as I progress to my goal races.

Like Micheal mentioned above, take rest day or two when you need it.

2012-02-05 11:06 AM
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KathyG - 2012-02-05 11:28 AM

First 4 years I trained, I did build weeks then recovery week. I did 3/1 and even 2/1 and towards the end 10 days/4 days. The following year I worked on training consistently and rarely took rest day or rest week. Turns out my body handled consistent volume and intensity (gradually building training load) much better and I felt more even all the time.  It had been put in my head that I need to do build/recovery weeks but I found that wasn't true which surprised me. I worked with coaches during this time and my 4th year with same coach found I was tired often and felt fatigued. In hindsight it was my volume was inconsistent that my body didn't handle well. When I switched to consistent training I think I had 3 rest weeks in 8 months.

What works for me is to have a weekly schedule that fits into my life that goes from general to race specific as I progress to my goal races.

Like Micheal mentioned above, take rest day or two when you need it.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with doing it this way.

The traditional 3 weeks on/1 week off or 2 weeks on/1 week off cycle only exists because that's what's convenient for most people's schedules with work & family.  Microcycles don't need to be 7 days.  They can be anywhere from 2 - 14 days.  Moderating volume within each week can accomplish the same thing.

For example, 5 days on, 2 days of reduced volume for recovery each week.

 



2012-02-05 2:24 PM
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'm going to try exactly that and retool and see how that goes. This obviously isn't working for me so I'm more than willing to keep trying until I find the right balance.

 

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You mentioned power; do you track tss? If so, you might be able to check and see if you are letting your call drop too much during recovery. I like to hold my ctrl flat during my recovery week which means my atl will come down to ctl levels, but not lower. That pretty much levels everything out because the faster I am ramping ctl, the more at will come down, and the more recovery I'll get. I wonder where your tps is at the end of the recovery week... Keep note of that number so you'll know how much taper you need.

I'm still keeping intensity during my recovery week because I do a fair amount of testing. Pretty soon I'll be throwing in some b and c races (5ks/10ks and sprints) during my recovery week to check my progress.

I'm a power newbie. Although I track my power its more in a general workout way right now. So I know on my long rides I'll average around 220. A shorter zone 1 ride 190's. A recovery ride 165-175. Intervals or speed intervals 240-255. I haven't worked it out into aggregates for the week but that's the next step.

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KathyG - 2012-02-05 11:28 AM

 is to have a weekly schedule that fits into my life that goes from general to race specific as I progress to my goal races.

Thanks for the advice. I'm from MA as well and I'm doing Patriot and Pumpking this year. I hope the injury recovery is going well and perhaps we'll meet up.

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