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2012-05-23 8:59 AM
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Only the people in The Woodlands would find a way to lose the PGA tour and run off Ironman.  As long as this stays in our backyard I'm good.


2012-05-23 10:18 AM
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ironultrared - 2012-05-22 3:51 PM I heard a rumor that IMTX may not be coming back to The Woodlands. And I didn't hear it third hand. What I did hear was that it would be close enough so that I could do the race again...
2012-05-23 10:18 AM
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ironultrared - 2012-05-22 3:51 PM I heard a rumor that IMTX may not be coming back to The Woodlands. And I didn't hear it third hand. What I did hear was that it would be close enough so that I could do the race again...

 

We also heard this, but a town further south was mentioned.  I am hoping they will get all the permit issues worked out so that it can come back to The Woodlands, I love having this race right in my backyard!



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2012-05-23 10:34 AM
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To heck with the woodlands, move the race to Austin!!  Swim in Town Lake, bike out to the hill country, and finish either in front of the Capitol or on 6th St. 

"complaints about traffic" that is a joke...it's the Houston area, what do people expect? 

2012-05-23 10:58 AM
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mikecdisi - 2012-05-23 10:34 AM

To heck with the woodlands, move the race to Austin!!  Swim in Town Lake, bike out to the hill country, and finish either in front of the Capitol or on 6th St. 

"complaints about traffic" that is a joke...it's the Houston area, what do people expect? 

 

Uh no.  Given the roads, or lack there of, used for Longhorn I would never do a full there. 

2012-05-23 11:07 AM
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uhcoog - 2012-05-23 10:58 AM
mikecdisi - 2012-05-23 10:34 AM

To heck with the woodlands, move the race to Austin!!  Swim in Town Lake, bike out to the hill country, and finish either in front of the Capitol or on 6th St. 

"complaints about traffic" that is a joke...it's the Houston area, what do people expect? 

 

Uh no.  Given the roads, or lack there of, used for Longhorn I would never do a full there. 

Roads would be alot different if the race were to go west towards the hill country instead of on the east side where the Longhorn race is located.



2012-05-23 11:22 AM
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uhcoog - 2012-05-23 10:58 AM
mikecdisi - 2012-05-23 10:34 AM

To heck with the woodlands, move the race to Austin!!  Swim in Town Lake, bike out to the hill country, and finish either in front of the Capitol or on 6th St. 

"complaints about traffic" that is a joke...it's the Houston area, what do people expect? 

Uh no.  Given the roads, or lack there of, used for Longhorn I would never do a full there. 

?  What's wrong with the roads at Longhorn?  I've done Longhorn and didn't remember anything crazy...

 

Edit:  Checked my RR and I mention (one line) that there is chipseal.  Is that what you're talking about?

Welcome to TX.  That's all they use here.



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2012-05-23 12:00 PM
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jldicarlo - 2012-05-23 11:22 AM
uhcoog - 2012-05-23 10:58 AM
mikecdisi - 2012-05-23 10:34 AM

To heck with the woodlands, move the race to Austin!!  Swim in Town Lake, bike out to the hill country, and finish either in front of the Capitol or on 6th St. 

"complaints about traffic" that is a joke...it's the Houston area, what do people expect? 

Uh no.  Given the roads, or lack there of, used for Longhorn I would never do a full there. 

?  What's wrong with the roads at Longhorn?  I've done Longhorn and didn't remember anything crazy...

 

Edit:  Checked my RR and I mention (one line) that there is chipseal.  Is that what you're talking about?

Welcome to TX.  That's all they use here.

This is a very tense subject amongst folks who have done this race, especially for the out of towners who aren't used to the lovely roads of south central texas. 

Most complaints hover around the chip seal, but this past year there were large cracks and gaps in the road due to the drought.  A lot of people thought this was dangerous.  I didn't think it was too bad myself at the time.  (More to come on that in a minute).  Another chief complain about the race is that it was set on the east side of Austin, in a not-so-scenic part of town that didn't really showcase or highlight the beauty of Austin and the surrounding areas.

Now its been about 6 months since then, and my view has changed somewhat in that time due to a few factors.  First, I rode Longhorn on an older lugged steel road bike.  I have since bought an aluminum P1 and have gone back out to that same area to ride recently for a charity century ride.  The outcome of that ride was a numb left hand where I didn't gain strength back for almost a week!  So I can kind of see where the folks who complained were coming from.  I also can see how its a bit more difficult to navigate around large gaps/cracks while in aero, which I didn't have to do back in October.  And I can also see the point that people who come to Austin want to see what its all about!

So based on that, I would have to agree that if a full IM were to come to Austin,  I would hope that it would start and end downtown, and go towards the west side and not the east.  I think that would make for a better race and experience.

Now do I think the roads were horribly bad as that I would never race Longhorn again?  No.  But I think I might do Kerrville this year instead because of all the good stories I've heard about that one.

2012-05-23 12:58 PM
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It won't go to Austin IF it were to move. Austin 70.3 is in a good time slot and if they moved the full there it would more than likely eliminate the 70.3....next. If the full moved there and stayed in the same May slot you have CapTextri the next weekendish...no chance. that is a HUGE Triathlon part of the Toyota Cup...not gonna happen. Austin has way to much chip seal east....Galveton now....they are chomping at the bit....they could do a full and do it in May and drop the 70.3. just sayin
2012-05-23 1:08 PM
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I would be disappointed because the crowd was so much larger this year than last year and the finish was much better in my opinion. I want people to have a chance to enjoy it the way I did the last 2 years. Also, I want to be able to volunteer for the race without paying for a hotel room (yes very selfish)
2012-05-23 1:18 PM
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Yeah.  I'm used to chip seal.  The amount on the Longhorn course is too much IMO.  It's not a Texas thing.  It's an Austin thing.  Let alone the patch of road that wasn't even paved last year.  I honestly could care less about the scenery on a course.  Hell I'm not paying much attention to that on race day.  Not to mention there aren't any hotels in the general vicinity to that course, etc, etc, etc.  Put the finish where they finish the MS 150 and maybe, but not out in the middle of nowhere.


 



2012-05-23 1:58 PM
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uhcoog - 2012-05-23 1:18 PM

Yeah.  I'm used to chip seal.  The amount on the Longhorn course is too much IMO.  It's not a Texas thing.  It's an Austin thing.  Let alone the patch of road that wasn't even paved last year.  I honestly could care less about the scenery on a course.  Hell I'm not paying much attention to that on race day.  Not to mention there aren't any hotels in the general vicinity to that course, etc, etc, etc.  Put the finish where they finish the MS 150 and maybe, but not out in the middle of nowhere.


 

I'm used to chip seal too. I live north of Austin, ride all over Austin, and thought Longhorn was so bad for the bike portion this year that I swore I wouldn't do it again. It was worse conditions road wise than it's had in years. So Im just going to throw out some thoughts here - not fact or rumor, just stuff I've been thinking about since I heard. I don't see them canceling longhorn because a full would happen six months later. What I do see is the race coming to Austin at the end of April or even in March. Or Galveston becoming the full instead. Last I checked, Galveston registration hadn't opened either. And if it goes North and West of Austin, we'll have a beautiful, but hilly ride. West Austin at Lake Travis wouldn't really surprise me much. And I wonder if there's any influence from a rich Austin pro on this? Aggie grad, what did you hear for location?
2012-05-23 2:13 PM
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I'm used to chip seal too. I live north of Austin, ride all over Austin, and thought Longhorn was so bad for the bike portion this year that I swore I wouldn't do it again. It was worse conditions road wise than it's had in years. So Im just going to throw out some thoughts here - not fact or rumor, just stuff I've been thinking about since I heard. I don't see them canceling longhorn because a full would happen six months later. What I do see is the race coming to Austin at the end of April or even in March. Or Galveston becoming the full instead. Last I checked, Galveston registration hadn't opened either. And if it goes North and West of Austin, we'll have a beautiful, but hilly ride. West Austin at Lake Travis wouldn't really surprise me much. And I wonder if there's any influence from a rich Austin pro on this? Aggie grad, what did you hear for location?

 

I heard Galveston. 

2012-05-23 2:31 PM
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aggiegrad96 - 2012-05-23 2:13 PM

I'm used to chip seal too. I live north of Austin, ride all over Austin, and thought Longhorn was so bad for the bike portion this year that I swore I wouldn't do it again. It was worse conditions road wise than it's had in years. So Im just going to throw out some thoughts here - not fact or rumor, just stuff I've been thinking about since I heard. I don't see them canceling longhorn because a full would happen six months later. What I do see is the race coming to Austin at the end of April or even in March. Or Galveston becoming the full instead. Last I checked, Galveston registration hadn't opened either. And if it goes North and West of Austin, we'll have a beautiful, but hilly ride. West Austin at Lake Travis wouldn't really surprise me much. And I wonder if there's any influence from a rich Austin pro on this? Aggie grad, what did you hear for location?

 

I heard Galveston. 

That would explain why we can't register for either race...
2012-05-23 2:57 PM
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uhcoog - 2012-05-23 1:18 PM

Yeah.  I'm used to chip seal.  The amount on the Longhorn course is too much IMO.  It's not a Texas thing.  It's an Austin thing.  Let alone the patch of road that wasn't even paved last year.  I honestly could care less about the scenery on a course.  Hell I'm not paying much attention to that on race day.  Not to mention there aren't any hotels in the general vicinity to that course, etc, etc, etc.  Put the finish where they finish the MS 150 and maybe, but not out in the middle of nowhere.

 

It's also a San Antonio and Hill Country thing, IMO.  All the roads around this area are similar to that course.  This past weekend I did a Tour de Cure that went from Boerne to Kerrville and back, and some of my teammates from out of town couldn't believe how rough the roads were.  The cracks weren't as bad, just the chip seal.

I need to get over to Houston to see what ya'll are riding on one of these days. 

2012-05-23 3:10 PM
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djastroman - 2012-05-23 2:57 PM
uhcoog - 2012-05-23 1:18 PM

Yeah.  I'm used to chip seal.  The amount on the Longhorn course is too much IMO.  It's not a Texas thing.  It's an Austin thing.  Let alone the patch of road that wasn't even paved last year.  I honestly could care less about the scenery on a course.  Hell I'm not paying much attention to that on race day.  Not to mention there aren't any hotels in the general vicinity to that course, etc, etc, etc.  Put the finish where they finish the MS 150 and maybe, but not out in the middle of nowhere.

 

It's also a San Antonio and Hill Country thing, IMO.  All the roads around this area are similar to that course.  This past weekend I did a Tour de Cure that went from Boerne to Kerrville and back, and some of my teammates from out of town couldn't believe how rough the roads were.  The cracks weren't as bad, just the chip seal.

I need to get over to Houston to see what ya'll are riding on one of these days. 

Abilene has it too.  Chip seal galore.  Buffalo Springs Lake Tri goes on chipsealed roads and that's in Lubbock.  A friend of mine lives in Longview and mentions chipseal all the time.  It's DEFINITELY a Texas thing.  Chipseal is all over the place in this state.  It's what they do.  There are various grades of chipseal ranging from "can't read your HRM due to the vibrations" to fairly smooth.  If you want to do any riding in TX you have to accept that chipseal exists.

I look at it this way...what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and when you do a race outside of TX you'll feel like you're flying because of the speed you gain from a smooth road.



2012-05-23 3:19 PM
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DJ - IMTX was a dream compared to Longhorn and Marble Falls.
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courtney_leone - 2012-05-23 5:18 PMI'm praying it's not Galveston. Main reason is I did my first olympic and my first HIM there so I don't want to do my first IM there. Another reason is I'd rather not swim in saltwater. The bike course is SUPER windy and I don't want to do a ton of laps around Moody Gardens. I keep hoping it stays in TW for purely sentimental reasons. That, and the fact my parents live about 2 miles away Speaking of parents, my mom is going to the town hall mtg so I'll let you know what happens. I signed up for the Austin half a long time ago before I knew how much it sucks! Oh well...
Courtney - it doesn't suck. It's just hard. But the race field is different. Comparing Galveston and austin really aren't reasonable. I pr'd Galveston by 5 minutes, but the field was tougher. Austin has hills, but Galveston has wind. Hopefully, the race director will have heard enough complaints about the road that something will be better this year.
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Planning on doing it...Woodlands was nice, but I'd take the wind in Galveston just to have it 6 weeks earlier! Very tempting, I think I'd prefer having it at the beginning of April. That'd be nice from a heat standpoint. But, I guess it doesn't matter, I doubt it'll move dates or venues. Bummer.


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courtney_leone - 2012-05-23 5:18 PM I'm praying it's not Galveston. Main reason is I did my first olympic and my first HIM there so I don't want to do my first IM there. Another reason is I'd rather not swim in saltwater. The bike course is SUPER windy and I don't want to do a ton of laps around Moody Gardens. I keep hoping it stays in TW for purely sentimental reasons. That, and the fact my parents live about 2 miles away Speaking of parents, my mom is going to the town hall mtg so I'll let you know what happens. I signed up for the Austin half a long time ago before I knew how much it sucks! Oh well...

It's not as  bad as I made it out to be, I was only repeating what I had seen from other folks.  Hard, yes.  Bad, no.  I still enjoyed it personally as my first 70.3.

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What has shocked me the past two years at this race is how much traffic was on the roads.  I've never been in or seen a race with that many cars & 18wheelers on the road.  Maybe I'm just spoiled racing around the Central TX area.

Some of the drivers didnt even care how fast or how close they were coming to the racers on course. 

Of course this comes from the perspective of water stop #2, so it might be much different further into the race.

Too bad there is no place to swim in downtown San Anotnio....how cool would it be to finish in front of the Alamo!

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mikecdisi - 2012-05-23 10:35 PM

What has shocked me the past two years at this race is how much traffic was on the roads.  I've never been in or seen a race with that many cars & 18wheelers on the road.  Maybe I'm just spoiled racing around the Central TX area.

Some of the drivers didnt even care how fast or how close they were coming to the racers on course. 

Of course this comes from the perspective of water stop #2, so it might be much different further into the race.

Too bad there is no place to swim in downtown San Anotnio....how cool would it be to finish in front of the Alamo!

Tell me about it!  Every race around here has to either be up in Boerne or New Braunfels at the closest unless you want a pool swim.  You definitely do NOT want to take a dip in the Riverwalk, that's for sure!  Just ask the wife... (i'll let her share that story with ya'll).

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I'm used to chip seal too. I live north of Austin, ride all over Austin, and thought Longhorn was so bad for the bike portion this year that I swore I wouldn't do it again. It was worse conditions road wise than it's had in years. So Im just going to throw out some thoughts here - not fact or rumor, just stuff I've been thinking about since I heard. I don't see them canceling longhorn because a full would happen six months later. What I do see is the race coming to Austin at the end of April or even in March. Or Galveston becoming the full instead. Last I checked, Galveston registration hadn't opened either. And if it goes North and West of Austin, we'll have a beautiful, but hilly ride. West Austin at Lake Travis wouldn't really surprise me much. And I wonder if there's any influence from a rich Austin pro on this? Aggie grad, what did you hear for location?

 

I heard Galveston. 

That would explain why we can't register for either race...[/QUOTE]

IMTX difficulties have nothing to do with why we can't register for Galveston. 70.3 never open for registration immediately following the race.  Galveston will open soon but it is usually a few months after. Last year it didn't open until June I believe. 

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