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2012-05-11 10:49 PM


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I've lost alot of muscle mass as I'm getting older (51 yrs).  I'm 5'9" and 140 lbs with very low body fat.  I lift weights a few times a week, but can't hold on to the weight.  Anybody have experience with creatine?  From what I've read it isn't especially beneficial for endurance athletes, but I feel like I'm melting away...Thanks.  


2012-05-11 10:57 PM
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Creatine is one of the few supplements that does work.  It can help with strength increases but you should check your diet first.  Cut out any garbage and eat more lean meat like chicken and fish and keep track of your protein intake daily.  
2012-05-11 11:04 PM
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Thanks, I make a conscious effort to take in 70-80 grams of protein a day.  Milk and lean meats mostly but at times a protein shake.  Maybe I'm just trying to recapture my glory days in high school, weight lifting with buds.  
2012-05-12 12:03 AM
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If you're trying to gain large mass, then up that protein intake.... like, double it if you can.

When I was trying to pack on mass (which I did to the extent of 25+ lbs in 6 months), I would try to consume 1g protein per pound of body weight per day.
I ate TONS of chicken, I bought it by the case (and still do).... boneless, skinless. At 9g protein per ounce, it's flat out the best source there is aside from shakes.... which is the next bit. Have a shake post-lifting and then more as needed to hit your numbers for the day.

Also - don't leave out fats!! You NEED them... eat almond butter, or avocado, or whatever... just put fat in your diet.


To the original posting, however, taking creatine will not build mass, per se. It facilitates energy delivery, not muscle growth (directly). What it does is it helps your muscles recover between sets quicker, so that you can push harder on that next set... but you need to be giving the body what it needs to repair itself after workouts. You also need to look at your SBR nutrition.... make sure you are getting adequate nutrition so that your body goes to muscle tissue for energy as little as possible. That said, it's inevitable that you will lose some mass as you continue with endurance training - the two are just pretty much diametrically opposed.


2012-05-12 12:25 AM
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I've heard a lot about creatine being great for strength training, but that's the only good thing I've heard about it. Some folks I work with used it for a while and found that (according to them) it caused problems with endurance training, especially in the heat of the southwestern desert. Allegedly (I don't know first-hand) the guys who used creatine were having problems staying hydrated because a lot of the water they ingested went to their muscles and wasn't properly distributed throughout their entire bodies.

Again, I don't know first-hand.

2012-05-12 12:35 AM
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Creatine does not actually increase muscle mass by itself. Creatine makes you retain water and increases ATP production, which is used by the body for very short bursts of energy. Because you have more energy you can do more reps, higher weight, etc. This typically leads to increases in muscle mass, but its really an energy enhancer.


2012-05-12 3:56 AM
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Creatine is good for helping retain water and put nutrients in the cells but being 51 be careful.  When I turned 50 a few months back, I had my annual physical and my blood pressure went up w/in 1 year.  I had to cut out creatine and salt and it went down w/o any medications.  I am also at 140lbs and can't gain.  I agree w/ other posters, increase protein to 1gram of protein to efvery pound of weight so U would need at least 140 - 150 grams per day along w/ carbs and good fats.
2012-05-12 9:41 AM
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When taken right (most people take it wrong) It is helps you recover between sets when using the atp/pc energy system (short bursts)  but not in the aerobic system.

I would not use it over 50 or even 30 for that matter.  too many unknowns.  Then there is the hydration issues and questions like, how does long term use effect the body's ability to naturally recover (body adjusting its levels out of dependence) etc..

2012-05-12 1:10 PM
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Wish I had the problem of being too light. I'm no doctor but I don't think 140 pounds is underweight for a distance athlete and would go with it unless you are losing significant weight. I think the loss of some muscle mass is to be expected but you would obviously know your body better.

Years ago I took creatine for a little while as a supplement and had  my normal semi-annual blood test. My creatine levels were far outside of what were considered safe so I stopped it and will never do it again.

2012-05-12 2:02 PM
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It's not that complicated. Take in more calories than you burn and you will not weight. Muscle our fat. Take in less and you will lose weight, if it is fat or muscle will depend on several factors.
2012-05-12 6:48 PM
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xine2kgts - 2012-05-11 11:35 PM Creatine does not actually increase muscle mass by itself. Creatine makes you retain water and increases ATP production, which is used by the body for very short bursts of energy. Because you have more energy you can do more reps, higher weight, etc. This typically leads to increases in muscle mass, but its really an energy enhancer.

Please note that this is the main reason that creatine is not good for endurance athletes.  The water retention at the cellular level actually puts you at higher risk for dehydration and things like strokes. 

As another poster mentioned, you'd be a lot better off by upping your protien intake while increasing your strength training if you are looking to add muscle.  But remember, muscle weighs a lot and it's not much fun carrying extra weight up hills on the bike or run.



2012-05-12 10:47 PM
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Thanks folks,  I'll up the protein intake and munch on nuts on the long drive to work.  I'll put the creatine experiment on hold for now.  I'm not real displeased with where my weight is now, but was also thinking of what it may be 10 - 30 years from now.  I want to be one of those dudes with 80 inked on their calf.  
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If you want to up the creatine without the potential complications of supplementing look for foods that contain creatine, namely animal protein.
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