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 2012-12-27 12:15 PM in reply to: #4549987 |
Veteran  629    Grapevine, TX |  Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season?gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 11:53 AM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM I like your perspective. I'm not a tri coach (though I'm thinking of looking for one), but I do coach leadership principles at work as a mentor. Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. And they'll care, which triathletes really, really need no matter what they deny on the topic. I curious, are you suggesting that someone who is coaching full time will not be as effective as a part time coach? ShaneI think you will find the answer in what I stated: Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. |
| 2012-12-27 12:17 PM in reply to: #4550038 |
Pro 6191  | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 11:53 AM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM I like your perspective. I'm not a tri coach (though I'm thinking of looking for one), but I do coach leadership principles at work as a mentor. Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. And they'll care, which triathletes really, really need no matter what they deny on the topic. I curious, are you suggesting that someone who is coaching full time will not be as effective as a part time coach? ShaneI think you will find the answer in what I stated: Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. ... where you said " Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income." You made it sound like coaching for income and enjoying coaching were mutually exclusive. |
| 2012-12-27 12:19 PM in reply to: #4550023 |
Veteran 629 Grapevine, TX | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? mikericci - 2012-12-27 12:10 PM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 10:29 AM KSH - 2012-12-02 6:30 PMFair enough. You see, I'm coming at this from a different perspective. I love coaching, and while I would love for it to be a full time gig, I know I can't earn enough money to make it that. So, I keep the day job that pays the bills. The coaching I do basically pays the business expenses and I don't earn a profit. I only keep 5-7 clients on my roster at one time, since I work a full time job, train for tri's, etc. I personally cannot afford a coach who charges more than $150 a month. While it might be warranted for that coach to charge $350.00+ a month (education, etc.), I personally can't afford it. Trust me, I understand the costs involved to keep certifications up, etc. I see you are a Level III coach (and there are only what... 15? 40? of those in the US?). Obviously you should get paid more than someone like me. There are athletes out there who are more elite than I am, and I am certain they are more than willing and happy to pay more than $150 a month. Hey, I know coaches in town who pull $500 a month. And they get it. I'm sure you can get it too, with your experience and knowledge.
I like your perspective. I'm not a tri coach (though I'm thinking of looking for one), but I do coach leadership principles at work as a mentor. Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. And they'll care, which triathletes really, really need no matter what they deny on the topic. So, what you are saying is that you are probably better at teaching leadership principles than someone like Anthony Robbins, Stephen Covey, or Jim Collins, because it's their primary source of income? ;-) Wow, this is a hot buttons topic for you! |
| 2012-12-27 12:23 PM in reply to: #4550042 |
Veteran 629 Grapevine, TX | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? ratherbeswimming - 2012-12-27 12:17 PM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:15 PM gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 11:53 AM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM I like your perspective. I'm not a tri coach (though I'm thinking of looking for one), but I do coach leadership principles at work as a mentor. Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. And they'll care, which triathletes really, really need no matter what they deny on the topic. I curious, are you suggesting that someone who is coaching full time will not be as effective as a part time coach? ShaneI think you will find the answer in what I stated: Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. ... where you said " Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income." You made it sound like coaching for income and enjoying coaching were mutually exclusive. Well, that's not what I wrote, and it wasn't my intent. I'd suggest that a successful full time coach must, on average, really like what they do. Someone on this thread explained how its tough making a living at coaching. |
| 2012-12-27 12:32 PM in reply to: #4550038 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. From this: FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Combined with the fact that you were replying to a post that was about coaching as a part time gig as opposed to full time. I was simply curious as you seemed to be implying that those who were coaching as a primary source of income would not be as effective. Shane |
| 2012-12-27 12:41 PM in reply to: #4550078 |
Veteran 629 Grapevine, TX | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 12:32 PM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. From this: FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Combined with the fact that you were replying to a post that was about coaching as a part time gig as opposed to full time. I was simply curious as you seemed to be implying that those who were coaching as a primary source of income would not be as effective. ShaneI wouldn't know how to answer your inquiry with respect to triathlon coaches, as I'm looking for one and have never had one. I was answering the thread (and quoted only that part) that dealt with liking to coach. But my gut is that if the primary motivation for coaching is money (note the switch in the motivation here), then chances are that person will not be as effective a coach as someone who's primary motivation is because they like coaching. Anyways, that's my 2 cents. Hope that helps you. |
| 2012-12-27 12:43 PM in reply to: #4550078 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 12:32 PM FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. From this: FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Combined with the fact that you were replying to a post that was about coaching as a part time gig as opposed to full time. I was simply curious as you seemed to be implying that those who were coaching as a primary source of income would not be as effective. Shane AH.... OK... so he was basically saying that someone who loves doing it would be more effective than someone who is doing it just for the money. I'm sure he didn't mean to imply that someone who does it full time is doing it just for the money. Although, I doubt anyone does tri coaching just for the money. You have to love the sport and coaching people to even start doing it. There aren't a lot of millionaire tri coaches out there. |
| 2012-12-27 1:12 PM in reply to: #4550098 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Coach for 2013 Season? KSH - 2012-12-27 1:43 PM gsmacleod - 2012-12-27 12:32 PM AH.... OK... so he was basically saying that someone who loves doing it would be more effective than someone who is doing it just for the money. I'm sure he didn't mean to imply that someone who does it full time is doing it just for the money. Although, I doubt anyone does tri coaching just for the money. You have to love the sport and coaching people to even start doing it. There aren't a lot of millionaire tri coaches out there. FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 2:15 PM Not sure where the part time/full time inference comes from. From this: FranzZemen - 2012-12-27 1:29 PM Someone who likes what they do will invariably be far more efficient and effective than someone who's doing it largely as a source of primary income. Combined with the fact that you were replying to a post that was about coaching as a part time gig as opposed to full time. I was simply curious as you seemed to be implying that those who were coaching as a primary source of income would not be as effective. Shanex2. I didn't think his post was meant to be about full time versus part time coaches. I think I took it the way he intended (that a coach who is motivated by their love of helping others succeed is usually more effective than someone who is motivated by money first and helping second). This isn't inconsistent with a post that I recall Jordan Rapp making on ST a few months ago.
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