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2013-08-08 10:10 AM

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I need your opinion about something. I had a conversation last nite at our usual Wednesday nite ride. This lady that I rode next to sells the beachbody p90x stuff. So of course she is partial to it. And yes I do believe in strength training. I have done 2 full ironman races and 10 70,3's. So I am no newby to the sport. In talking to her she said that you didn't have to even ride your bike or run or train for either just do p90x and you can get on a bike and ride a 100 miles or run a half marathon or even a full marathon without even training for it, just with doing the p90x. How much bs is this. Opinions please.


2013-08-08 10:14 AM
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That said, most "healthy" people could probably get through a 100mi ride or a marathon with enough determination. Might take them forever though...

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2013-08-08 10:34 AM
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Finish that is the key word. She did say in the conversation that you "finish" the 100 miles or marathon or whatever. I guess my point being I don't want to be a mere "finisher" I really don't want to be out there on the course for 9 to 10 hours on a 100 mile ride. Okay rant over.
2013-08-08 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by tri in texas
I need your opinion about something. I had a conversation last nite at our usual Wednesday nite ride. This lady that I rode next to sells the beachbody p90x stuff. So of course she is partial to it. And yes I do believe in strength training. I have done 2 full ironman races and 10 70,3's. So I am no newby to the sport. In talking to her she said that you didn't have to even ride your bike or run or train for either just do p90x and you can get on a bike and ride a 100 miles or run a half marathon or even a full marathon without even training for it, just with doing the p90x. How much bs is this. Opinions please.


I'm not saying P90X, Insanity, CrossFit, etc are bad, but don't confuse them with real training. Dancing in front of your TV in your basement will not prepare you for a half marathon or an Olympic Tri. You can probably do a 5K, 10K, or a Sprint Tri with just that, but without actually getting your feet on the pavement or your butt on a bike, you are setting yourself up for failure.

I know people who do all of these programs. Some swear by them as a miracle & others take a more realistic approach to them. You need to ask yourself, if I can do 150 pull ups, does that mean I can swim if I have never set foot in the water? Better to figure that out through training rather than at the bottom of a lake on race day.
2013-08-08 10:45 AM
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Having completed P90X, twice, before (a few years back) I thought I'd share my opinion. I appreciate her "spirit", but is COMPLETELY misguided if she thinks that you can complete either of those without proper training. I do credit P90X for getting me into endurance sports. It was a big reason i signed up for my first half marathon in 2010.

P90X is a good mix of cardio and strength, and the intensity is sky high all the way. This will build a good base for someone to get into the world of endurance sports, whether thats marathons, half marathons, multi-sport, etc. But again, I think she's being a little too ambitious saying that you wouldnt need to train. Yes, you'd finish, but you'd probably be crawling to the finish.
2013-08-08 10:45 AM
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Oh I am not on the p90x band wagon nor even remotely thinking about it. I have strength training that I use that has worked for me through many, many races.


2013-08-08 10:54 AM
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That's a ridiculous statement and total beach body coach bs.

I've did multiple rounds of P90x and insanity when I was getting back in shape before I got into triathlon last year. I'm think those programs are good and have a purpose but they don't get you fit for triathlon. That's just silly.

I will say, they do have cross over benefits for athletics in general... I remember playing basketball for the first time after finishing P90x and i was amazed at how much better I felt running and jumping during pick up games. But that's a far cry from being Im or marathon ready.
2013-08-08 11:11 AM
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What she said is BS. I've done P90X, P90X2, and Insanity for 2.5 years prior to starting triathlons this spring and will do P90X2 during the winter(because of it's great core focus), but it is not a substitute for actual swimming, riding, and running.
2013-08-08 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by dprocket That's a ridiculous statement and total beach body coach bs. I've did multiple rounds of P90x and insanity when I was getting back in shape before I got into triathlon last year. I'm think those programs are good and have a purpose but they don't get you fit for triathlon. That's just silly. I will say, they do have cross over benefits for athletics in general... I remember playing basketball for the first time after finishing P90x and i was amazed at how much better I felt running and jumping during pick up games. But that's a far cry from being Im or marathon ready.

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I have done both P90X and Insanity multiple times.  I actually loved them both and was extremely pleased with the results.  If you can swim at all, finishing Insanity will put you in good position to finish OK in a sprint tri.  Neither of them will do much of anything for distances greater than that.

2013-08-08 11:39 AM
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5 years from now very few will know what P90X was, Insanity was or whatever comes out this year was. But there will always be swim, bike and run....

Offer a challenge ...Pick a race, one does P90X stuff, the other does S/B/R, see who fares better ....
2013-08-08 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by reecealan

5 years from now very few will know what P90X was, Insanity was or whatever comes out this year was. But there will always be swim, bike and run....

Offer a challenge ...Pick a race, one does P90X stuff, the other does S/B/R, see who fares better ....


I don't disagree with what you say in spirit, but P90x has already been around for 9 years. I don't think this type of thing is going away anytime soon. That said, while P90x will not prepare you for an Im..but. An experienced triathlete who does P90X will find themselves Ill prepared for what the it puts you through. Now p90x is not a 'competition' and most triathletes would be able to stick to it, but it's apples and oranges which makes the original suggestion even more silly.


2013-08-08 11:53 AM
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PSA!!! Every male in the 45-50 age group puulllleeeeaaazzzeee follow the lady's advise! All you need P90X!
2013-09-01 4:14 AM
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I don’t think she meant for all of BT to evaluate her comment. P90x can do a lot of things to a body but it does not condition a body for endurance events. Triathlons are counter intuitive to building muscle; however, It can be helpful in the off season for weight control, eliminating muscle imbalances, improving flexibility, improving focus, adding confidence and variety to just putting in the miles. Having added muscle going into a new season is not a bad thing.
2013-09-01 4:49 AM
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Does anyone else find it ironic she is telling him no bike training is needed...while on a bike? A case of do what I say and not what I do?
2013-09-01 5:13 AM
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Originally posted by reecealan 5 years from now very few will know what P90X was, Insanity was or whatever comes out this year was. But there will always be swim, bike and run.... Offer a challenge ...Pick a race, one does P90X stuff, the other does S/B/R, see who fares better ....

^^This.  I've been a fitness professional for close to 20 years and have seen the fads come and go.  P90x is nothing more than a structured form of strength and cardio.  There's nothing special about it.  The marketing people were smart, Tony Horton is a dynamic individual.  So it sold well.  But it's nothing new.  Cardio intervals, plyometrics and moderate weights with high reps will lean you out.  Nothing special there.

As for prepping you for tris?  No way.  I had been teaching cardio classes for 10 years when I tried running for the first time.  You'd think I was totally out of shape.  Things like this will give you a good base of fitness and some amount of cardio endurance but that's no replacement for training for the actual sport itself.

2013-09-01 8:17 AM
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Not a chance, I did p90x twice and it is an excellent workout program. It will put you in excellent shape and your core will be solid. But you still need to put mileage in for running and biking. You need to train the muscles for extended repeated use that p90x doesn't do.

Just want to say I am a big fan pf p90x and its a great way to go in the off season.


2013-09-01 8:33 AM
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I did p90x and just went to the gym last season and i never ran more then 5k.. I suck at running and my uncle signed me up for a half Mara and i finished it in 2:31 with zero training. SO i think the real question is how fast you want to finish it.

MY BODY WAS KILLING FOR ABOUT 5 DAY SO YOU NEED TO TRAIN! YES I AM YELLING................
2013-09-01 6:25 PM
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Everyone's said it. Great workout program.

On top of it, there's some basis to this. http://www.vpxsports.com/article-detail/training/sprinting-for-endu...

Google "Sprint for Endurance" and you'll see plenty of real world trials in which short bursts of very intense activity replaced longer sessions of moderate activity with great success.

You will NEVER find a single peer-reviewed study showing that endurance athletes can get away without endurance training. I just don't think P90x as "endurance training"

But, I'd never say not to do it. Just don't rely on it to get you through a race.
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