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2006-12-17 5:02 PM

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Subject: Swimming with fins
Morning all!

I did my first swim in about 3 years this morning. I used my fins most of the time. Tried to do 2 laps without them and just about sunk.

What is your feeling on a beginner using fins? Should I try and not use them at all as I won't be able to in the race?????

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Bel


2006-12-17 5:23 PM
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I would have no problem with using them here and there. Try to use a pull buoy also if you can.

That isn't going to solve your problem. Do a search on sinking hips and you should be able to find an answer to what you need to do to keep them up.

2006-12-17 5:35 PM
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ditch the fins for now and kick more.
2006-12-17 5:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
Sounds like you need some help on your form. Get a coach, check out a masters swim, read up on some drills, etc, etc, etc...
2006-12-17 7:48 PM
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Masters swim class will definitely help you wean yourself off the fins and provide confidence in your form.
Soon you'll be cutting through the water!!
2006-12-17 8:31 PM
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Grab the dreaded kick board till you get it.
God, I hate them.


2006-12-17 8:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
Thanks for the advice everyone!

They have adults swimming on Monday, Wednesday and Friday nights. I am going to go this Wednesday and see if they can help me!

Thanks again!

Bel
2006-12-17 9:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
You can also look into Total Immersion. Search the forums here and you can see several people have had great success with it. I grew up a lifeguard but when I added some of their techniques I am able to swim longer faster and more efficient.... But I do agree with the pul buoy and also grabbing a kickboard for some of your workouts. Like anything else the more you do the better you get.
2006-12-18 8:00 AM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
outbackgirl - 2006-12-17 5:02 PM

Morning all!

I did my first swim in about 3 years this morning. I used my fins most of the time. Tried to do 2 laps without them and just about sunk.

What is your feeling on a beginner using fins? Should I try and not use them at all as I won't be able to in the race?????

Thanks
Bel


Well I just bought those short fins and man they really helped with my ability to kick. I only use them from time to time. I ahve a huge runners kick and those will teach you how to kick correctly. I no longer go backwards when I kick but move forward ever so slowly.
2006-12-18 3:47 PM
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I'm *NOT* a swimmer, so please don't consider this actual advice.

But I will tell you that I used fins for my entire workout when I started swimming again a few months ago. I just didn't have the confidence. I then gradually began swimming longer lengths without the fins. I now only use fins for a short kicking set.
2006-12-18 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
Although they will clearly help your confidence in the water by allowing you to go faster (and thus further) with less effort, I've mostly encountered fins as a method to artificially increase speed in order to fine-tune sprinting technique. (I was a distance-oriented competitive swimmer in college, and rarely was I party to a fins set.) It's pretty clear to see the gravitation toward fins - they make you go faster! - but you're probably best to stay away from them as much as you can unless you're doing the speedwork they're typically intended for. Not to say there's not a time and a place for them, but if your a new swimmer, I'd try to go sans fins as much as you can bear so that you can establish correct technique and a stronger swimming base.

Mixing swimming toys (kickboard, paddles, buoy, fins, etc.) can be key to a non-boring swim workout, so maybe try to integrate some other equipment in your workout to ween yourself off the fins-only swims?


2006-12-18 6:06 PM
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i'm surprised to say i have the exact opposite advice as some of the other posters.  the first thing my swim coach did when i hired him was tell me what i needed to bring to our first session.  it was fins, he preferred the split fin by tyr.  they are used for drills to help you concentrate on the drill and not the work of getting down the pool.  they help keep/make your kick more economical and strong. 

he is not a fan of kickboards, said they promote a bad kick (i don't remember the rationale) but he thought kick drills were better done on your side.  also does not promote the use of pull bouys, they hide a poor kick and bad rotation.

2006-12-18 6:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
I have hear the same thing about kick board and you should not use them but I use them at master swim class for kicking drills so I go with it but we rarely use it.

I have found the kick board helped me with my stroke oddly enough

2006-12-19 12:30 PM
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Fins like all other swim paraphenalia are best if used in moderation. I usually set the bar at a max of 30% of my yardage with fins, buoys, paddles, etc.
2006-12-19 1:28 PM
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he is not a fan of kickboards, said they promote a bad kick (i don't remember the rationale) but he thought kick drills were better done on your side.  also does not promote the use of pull bouys, they hide a poor kick and bad rotation.

I'm no expert by any means, as my swim times would show. But here's my 2 cents. My understanding of the rationale against kickboards is that when you are swimming freestyle you should be rotating your hips. So you should be kicking on your side during kick drills to better train your body to kick in the same angle as you would during freestyle. Kicking on a kickboard trains you to kick with your body horizontal to the water, which is highly inefficient.

2006-12-19 6:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Swimming with fins
Only to learn how to position yourself flat in the water, or to do high aerobic workouts.


2006-12-20 11:44 AM
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tag - 2006-12-18 7:06 PM

i'm surprised to say i have the exact opposite advice as some of the other posters.  the first thing my swim coach did when i hired him was tell me what i needed to bring to our first session.  it was fins, he preferred the split fin by tyr.  they are used for drills to help you concentrate on the drill and not the work of getting down the pool.  they help keep/make your kick more economical and strong. 

he is not a fan of kickboards, said they promote a bad kick (i don't remember the rationale) but he thought kick drills were better done on your side.  also does not promote the use of pull bouys, they hide a poor kick and bad rotation.



ditto !!! The only time I use fins is during 3 drills: single arm pull, catch up drill, and side kick The purpose of this is to maintain a typical swimming speed so I maintain a proper feel of the water with my arms. They help new swimmers by slowing down a typically very fast flutter kick.
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