An Inconvenient Truth (Page 2)

That's what makes all this sooooo much fun!

You can't justify global trends based on local information.

The global warming crowd does it all the time.

It is hot in the US so it must be Global warming..... Remember a few years ago when Europe had that blizzard that shut down the city, been the first one in years.

the GW crowd always say, it didnt snow in North Dakota as much this year, it must be GW...

It is always ok for them but not us huh

It's not OK regardless of the position you're arguing for. You can't use local information by itself, and you can't use singular data points (a particular cold day or hot summer, for example).

That's because we're smart and you're dumb

Hey...

I dont think I asked for your opinion on this Jim! No where in my posts did I say Jim tell me your thoughts on GW......

JK

Well that is a given... You always have to sate the obvious

Being a former math geek, the thing I wonder, is that from a statistical standpoint, is the apparent spike in temperatures and CO level statistically significant?  Is the current, for argument's sake, 10 year spike statistically significant with respect to the age of the earth... what is the margin of error?  Is a 10-year period long enough to say yes, something is going on?

It certainly doesn't seem like an anomaly, but one could argue that the current spike is "local information" when you consider the age of the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and we are drawing conclusions from data over a 10-year period.

I actually saw the movie on the flight to Australia.  Granted, I wasn't going to put it on my Netflix Queue (I'm a member now!), but it was a good presentation.  Note, I didn't say I bought everything in it, it was just a good presentation of one side. 

It's the people that bite the apple only on one side and never look at the other side that worry me.  I'm all about both sides.  :P

We all have our place.  I try so hard for you...and what do I get??? Nothing!!

I always knew you swung both ways....  I thought that hug at the finish line in WI felt funny.....

He called me sexy on another thread, too....... 

The problem with arguing either for or against GW is that we only have recent data. Of course, if we had 4.5 billion years worth of data, we could say for certain. But we don't, so a valid argument either for or against is very difficult to say. It one of those things where, if the GW advocates are right, we really won't know until we screw ourselves.

And that's why I like to err on the side of caution. Like another poster said, whether you believe in GW or not, it's hard to argue against being good stewards of the planet.

Frigiin post of the day right there people....

Very interesting Jim, since you dont beleive in God... Wouldnt it be better to err on the side of caution and be a Christian? If you are wrong in your current state you just go to Hell... If you are a christian and you are wrong, well you just become worm food....

Wait a second...who said I don't believe in God and am not a Christian? I'm actually a practicing Methodist, thank you very much.

But that's not a good analogy. There are lot's of religions, so if one were to pick a religion just to err on the side of caution, it'd be a crapshoot.

and there in lies the rub Jim...

So chose wisely

Huh?

Its not 4.5 billion, but I think the 10,000 years of data in this paper is enough to start drawing some conclusions:

http://www.johnlocke.org/acrobat/spotlights/spotlight_281_hockeystickwarming.pdf

I dont know, I got nothing...

I must have watch too much CSI Miami on DVR this week...

"and there lies the rub" is a popular saying on there

I understand the saying, I'm just not sure at what your directing it. As for GW, either you work  to not to f*ck things up, or you don't. It's a two-sided issue. As for religion, it's a many-sided issue, and one where you're better off making your decisions for reasons other than for covering your bases.

I think you BOTH have Stage III syph, and it's affecting your heads now..... 

Jim,

I agree that we should clean up after oursleves and leave this world at least as good as we found it. I just dont believe that I should not drive a SUV(I dont even have one), drive a battery car, ride my bike to work, eat no meat, live a carbon whatever lifestyle, build no more factories, dont drive my car all over town, eat tofu, etc....

So I agree with half of your statement, the OP said she was going to start living some carbon lifestyle to help the earth and I think that is silly...

As for religion, If you are a Christian, then there are no other religions...

Actually the Syph is asymtomatic, so we wouldnt know we had it till it was too late