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2007-06-10 2:16 PM

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Subject: Confusion about training intensity and weight loss
The trainer at my gym, as well as all of the cardio machines at the gym, tell me that from the standpoint of losing weight, I will lose more weight training at a lower intensity, or heart rate.  I understand the need to do both, but I don't have a good understanding of why keeping my HR at 120 for an hour will cause me to lose weight faster than keeping my HR at 150 for an hour.  Can someone explain this in a way that a Sociology major can understand?


2007-06-10 6:20 PM
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It won't.  They're operating under a common misconception that gets thrown around a lot.  Here's the deal.  As a percentage of total calories burned, more fat is burned at lower intensities than at higher intensities.  As a total, more fat is burned at higher intensities.  I know that's hard to follow for people sometimes, so numbers help.

If you exercise at "low intensity" for an hour and burn 300 calories, 70% of which are from fat (totally made up numbers just used for an example, you'll burn 210 calories from fat.

If you exercise at "high intensity" for an hour and burn 700 calories, 40% of which are from fat, you'll burn 280 calories from fat.

Some will stop at seeing 70% vs. 40% (again, just example numbers) and proclaim lower intensities better for fat loss.  Don't be fooled.

2007-06-10 7:30 PM
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Thanks.  That part makes perfect sense.  What about the rest of the energy source?  In your example, what am I using for the reamining 400+ calories that are not from fat burning?
2007-06-10 8:02 PM
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Blood glucose first, then stored glycogen.  Very small amount of protein.  The reality is that you can't really separate out any of it.  It's all occuring at the same time in varying amounts.

jph35609 - 2007-06-10 7:30 PM Thanks.  That part makes perfect sense.  What about the rest of the energy source?  In your example, what am I using for the reamining 400+ calories that are not from fat burning?

2007-06-10 9:49 PM
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Wow! I never knew that I had no idea what I was talking about. ;-) The numbers from your example really helped to clarify. Thanks!
2007-06-10 9:50 PM
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Does anyone know what the actual percentages are?


2007-06-11 7:21 AM
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Pretty sure the answer to that is, it varies based on your fitness, nutrition, weight, etc.

Warning: unresearched third-party information....

But also consider that higher intensity workouts up your metabolism longer, and generally produce greater muscular increase.  It's not just calories/fat used during the workout that matter.

That said, workouts should strategically involve easy, moderate, and intense effort... too easy too much and you're not getting the most out of them... too intense too much and you'll burn out or get injured.

2007-06-11 8:18 AM
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gorjess - 2007-06-11 3:50 AM Does anyone know what the actual percentages are?

It differs.  The higher percentage of fat that one uses at a given intensity the better for an endurance athlete as you don't use so much of the limited glycogen stores.  Is that not the purpose of the LSD sessions - to train your body to use a greater percentage of fat as a fuel?

2007-06-13 3:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Confusion about training intensity and weight loss
one problem with working out too ahrd is that you get so hungary afterwards. for me I run slower but I run just as long. running 1 mile at a 12 min pace loses about the same as running 1 mile at 10 min or 8 min. You just do it faster. If you have more time I would suggest doing longer lower intensities because 4 miles at 12 min/mile burns more than 3 at a 8 min/mile.

If I train too hard I just want to eat everything I can afterwards and mostly do. I feel that is the big reason why first year of running I gained 25 lbs and my second year I lost 35 lbs.
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2007-06-13 4:01 PM
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Jeep.

Does this mean if you want to train to lose weight you wanted to stay around 130 as much as you can since you are maximizing your fat lose?



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2007-06-14 9:09 AM
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I understand its cals in vs cals out. I am trying to maximize weight lose while miniuzing hungry and purformance lose.

Well I do not know about the OP but I am 75 lbs overweight I know even dropping 20 lbs would help alot with speed. I am trying to do that qucikly, safely, and more importantly not letting my weight go back up. I think that test would be useful for me. Is that the same as a MAP test where there suppose to map out your zones? If it is I am getting it very soon. my local gym will do it.

After I get down about 50 lbs or so then I will think about speed.
Then I can be the man just like Aaron.
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2007-06-17 11:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Confusion about training intensity and weight loss
well it was I think it was suppose to be the heart rate zones so you know where tthey are but it would be cool to know how much I burn and where. Like I said I want to maxium my fat burn. No point I feel in anything else unless I drop 50 lbs.
2007-06-17 2:00 PM
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chirunner134 - 2007-06-13 3:02 PM one problem with working out too ahrd is that you get so hungary afterwards. for me I run slower but I run just as long. running 1 mile at a 12 min pace loses about the same as running 1 mile at 10 min or 8 min. You just do it faster. If you have more time I would suggest doing longer lower intensities because 4 miles at 12 min/mile burns more than 3 at a 8 min/mile. If I train too hard I just want to eat everything I can afterwards and mostly do. I feel that is the big reason why first year of running I gained 25 lbs and my second year I lost 35 lbs.

I experience the exact same thing - too much intensity results in near uncontrollable hunger. This is not just a "mental thing" or a willpower issue. What happens at very high intensities is that you burn through a large percentage of your glycogen stores, among other things. Your body wants these stores back, so you get hungry, mostly for carbs and sugary things. At lower intensities, your body will shift to fat burning more quickly, leaving some glycogen available. I've noticed this in my own training - I can eat a relatively low carb diet and still train as long as I keep the intensity in check.

The other thing about high intensity cardio workouts is the burnout. You simply cannot run sprint intervals every day.

As a practical matter, I've found that mixing it up is a good way to go about this. Some days, especially those days when I've eaten more than I should, I may do a high-intensity interval, while other days I slow down and increase the duration.



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