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2013-08-16 6:18 AM
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OK 1 more swim question, I'm starting to realize I do not know how to site, in the pool so it is something I haven't practiced that much. I have been practicing but probably doing it all wrong. I'm trying to breathe to my right side and roll my head up front to see where I'm going but if I do it fast, I don't see anything and also when I come down in the water, I seem to get water up my nose and I seem to almost stop. When I site, I get like 10 X more tired, any drills for this? hints? Come on fish, no holding out..lol


You can search youtube for open water swim sighting videos, but I'll describe to you my technique, seems to work pretty well for me. I breath every stroke to my right so this is how I will describe it. As you complete the pull with your left arm and are starting your recovery, I lift my head stight up until my eyes are just out of the water. Then as I start my pull with my right arm I roll my head with my body and continue as normal. I usually do this every 5 strokes(one arm), however if I dont get a good visual on where Im going I will through in another look one or two strokes later. I swim with guys that swim crazy stright and only look every 10-15 strokes. The calmer the water the better as you dont have to lift your head so high slowing yourself down.

Its like anything with swimming, it takes practice to get the timing and then it almost becomes almost second nature. To practice in the pool I woud place a water bottle or pull bouy at the end of the lanes and then twice a lap I would lift my head to site. It didnt take two long to get comfortable doing it, I just did it as part of a few 200's at the end of a workout, and after 3-4 workouts I felt pretty comfortable. Just keep practicing and remember to get out and try it in open water as much as you can. Im sure you will have it in no time.



2013-08-16 6:30 AM
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Here's my splits from tonight easy 4 mile run.......

Mile 4 had me crossing the road twice when I needed to accelerate some to clear some oncoming traffic.  I wonder what that split would have looked like had I been able to keep things at the pace I was running.  I felt really amazing tonight!  Just thought I'd share.




Lets be serious, you were just looking to negative split the run.
2013-08-16 6:46 AM
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Ok that makes sense, I was trying to breathe and look all in 1 motion, so If I understand, it is look, then finish your stroke then breathe. I will try it today.
2013-08-16 6:47 AM
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Sighting should be done as frequently as needs to be done to remain on course.  There are some consequences to very frequent sighting however.  Each time you raise your head to sight your legs are going to drop, slowing your progress through the water. Ideally when you sight it should provide a quick look directly in front of you but be long enough to see, using a narrow peripheral field, that you can notice the location of other swimmers, buoys or markers and other items that can provide clues as to your swim line and where you want to be going.

When beginning to sight you'll first want to get the timing of your sighting down.  You need to begin to raise your head as your arm and hand are moving forward, passing your shoulder as you begin the next stroke.  Raise your head slightly out of the water, being careful to lift just enough to see above the water.  (If you have problems with water getting up your nose, try to lightly exhale.)  Your objective during sighting is only to get a snapshot of your surroundings, then after your head is back under water filter through the information in the snapshot and determine if course corrections are required.

What to look for during your sighting: 

  • Look for larger object that are out of the water, standing higher in the air.  Things such as tall buildings or masts or sails on a large boats.  If you try to see things lower on the water sighting can become very difficult and confusing.
  • Look for other swimmers that you have noticed are swimming good lines.  You should not use these people as your primary sighting markers because they can always go off course too, but they can provide information.
  • Obviously you should use the marker buoys used to mark out the course.

Here are a couple of videos that can help:

This one is longer and describes a few technical aspects of OWS.

This one is a visual aid only.  There is no audio instruction included but it can provide a lot of visual feedback to what a good sighting technique looks like.

2013-08-16 6:50 AM
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Sighting should be done as frequently as needs to be done to remain on course.  There are some consequences to very frequent sighting however.  Each time you raise your head to sight your legs are going to drop, slowing your progress through the water. Ideally when you sight it should provide a quick look directly in front of you but be long enough to see, using a narrow peripheral field, that you can notice the location of other swimmers, buoys or markers and other items that can provide clues as to your swim line and where you want to be going.

When beginning to sight you'll first want to get the timing of your sighting down.  You need to begin to raise your head as your arm and hand are moving forward, passing your shoulder as you begin the next stroke.  Raise your head slightly out of the water, being careful to lift just enough to see above the water.  (If you have problems with water getting up your nose, try to lightly exhale.)  Your objective during sighting is only to get a snapshot of your surroundings, then after your head is back under water filter through the information in the snapshot and determine if course corrections are required.

What to look for during your sighting: 

  • Look for larger object that are out of the water, standing higher in the air.  Things such as tall buildings or masts or sails on a large boats.  If you try to see things lower on the water sighting can become very difficult and confusing.
  • Look for other swimmers that you have noticed are swimming good lines.  You should not use these people as your primary sighting markers because they can always go off course too, but they can provide information.
  • Obviously you should use the marker buoys used to mark out the course.

Here are a couple of videos that can help:

This one is longer and describes a few technical aspects of OWS.

This one is a visual aid only.  There is no audio instruction included but it can provide a lot of visual feedback to what a good sighting technique looks like.




I like your description much better.
2013-08-16 6:54 AM
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Ok that makes sense, I was trying to breathe and look all in 1 motion, so If I understand, it is look, then finish your stroke then breathe. I will try it today.


It should be in one continous motion during your stroke. You are basically adding in the look before you take your breath. From your first description it sounds like you were breathing then trying to look, correct?


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yes that was correct, i had it backwards

I just watched how to site on youtube and you we right, thew ay i was doing she said was a big NO, wastes a lot of energy.

Thanks

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Karl, I think Dirk and Derek described the sighting process pretty well. I sort of just try and sneak a peek without trying to lift my head too far out of the water. I'll lift out if I really need to but I try to stay low if I can. I'm not the best at sighting but good enough to stay on course or in the general direction I need to go. I know the more I need to sight the less of a good rythym I get into.

I think the point Dirk made about finding a fixed location to sight off of is really good. I do that during races if I can. You can't really rely much on sighting off other swimmers. I only do that if I really have to. I will do that out at the lake though as I'm usually the slowest guy out there so the less sighting I have to do the easier it is for me to keep up and the people I swim with know where they are going.
2013-08-16 8:16 AM
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Derek good luck this weekend at your Oly, be safe and have a great race. Warren good luck at Timberman this weekend be safe and defend that title! And make sure you check your saddle before the race! We don't want a repeat of last year although that might have been one of the most classic rides I've ever read about it. We know you guys are gonna to represent well for Junkies, go out there and kill it.

Anyone else racing this weekend? Good luck to any other Junkies racing this weekend.
2013-08-16 8:18 AM
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Dirk, lol, yes this video told me I was all wrong...lol Did you notice in the video how she was treading water and talking, i would be beating the water to a frenzy and gasping for breath...That was just 1 of the many observations. I'll need to watch it multiple times. If i didn't admire swimmers so much it would be so easy to hate them...lol
2013-08-16 9:27 AM
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Originally posted by KWDreamun

OK 1 more swim question, I'm starting to realize I do not know how to site, in the pool so it is something I haven't practiced that much. I have been practicing but probably doing it all wrong. I'm trying to breathe to my right side and roll my head up front to see where I'm going but if I do it fast, I don't see anything and also when I come down in the water, I seem to get water up my nose and I seem to almost stop. When I site, I get like 10 X more tired, any drills for this? hints? Come on fish, no holding out..lol


Karl, I'm by no means a good swimmer, so I may not be right...but with that said, here is my best attempt to offer helpful advice.

First some notes about Dirk's video link (the first one with the lady). San Francisco Bay is COLD! I can't believe she just seems so comfortable hanging out in that water! Her sighting method #2 is what Dirk and Tony have described and also the way I do it (although I lift my head too high). Sighting method #1 might be fine for easy training swims, but I will NEVER be breathing every 4-6 strokes in a race situation...so Method #2 it is!

The trick is sighting without dropping the legs. To do this, the only muscles activated must be the neck muscles. If you activate other muscles, you lift the shoulders which drops the legs. You need to resist pushing DOWN on the water with that lead arm when you lift your head to sight because it uses tons of excess energy, requires you to activate the chest muscles and the abdominal muscles too which further cuts off your air supply. I don't sight yet in an efficient manner and I do what I just described as being bad. My only saving grace might be that I only need to sight every 20 strokes....that's one eventual advantage to long-term swim workouts in the pool...you become habitualized to going in a straight line.

I am guessing that one useful drill for sighting, perhaps the introductory drill, is one that you might already do. Kickboard! Just holding the kickboard and kicking for 200 yards or more at a time will help. How? Well, when you go that long you can't be anaerobic. So at some point you will need to relax and free up your breathing. And you won't get anywhere unless you learn to keep your legs high behind you and it just so happens your head will be up out of the water. So it teaches you the ideal body position for sighting, but even in a more exaggerated way because your entire head is out of the water which it doesn't need to be for sighting.

Another one might go like this: First off, the right way to swim is with your entire head in the water. There is room for variation here and there, but there should be little to no head out of the water, so your head is quite low. Now the old school dogma was to look slightly forward and have the water line touching you at your hair line on your forehead. That's not ideal, but great swimmers do it...of course in a sprint, their swim speed is such that they are literally doing some planing above the water. But for us distance swimmers, especially us slower ones!..you want the whole head in the water.
However, just as a sighting drill, learn to swim while looking forward too. Never look forward enough to throw off your high leg position in the water. But work on it, over time, to look more and more forward while still swimming with good body position. If and when you can do this efficiently with your eyebrows at the surface of the water you will probably be all set for good sighting.
Again, I want to emphasize that you shouldn't be doing the bulk of your swimming this way. Make it your habit to have the head DOWN, and just do this as a drill here and there.

Sighting strategies are important too. Just like she showed in the video where she picked a high rise behind the destination point, you can usually do this in lakes by finding something behind the buoy like a hill, a high tree, a building...a dock, even the sun.
When all else fails, I have found that it IS reliable to just follow the other swimmers. There have been times I literally could not see a thing because the sun shining off the water made it impossible to see anything forward whatsoever. But I could see the faint disruptions of swimmers in the sun's sheen on the water. If you follow swimmers you will be fine. If you follow an individual swimmer, they could lead you off course. But if you think of the swimmers as a pack and head basically to the center of the activity you will probably be golden.

Now, you mentioned how painful your tri swim was versus easier (and about as fast) swims. It is true that water is thick and it requires exponentially increasing effort to go linearly faster. But that's not all of it. I have a pitfall that is probably common to all of us novice swimmers. And it's very simply that once I'm in a group swimming situation I tighten up. And I'm referring to muscles in my abdomen and chest. It's super subtle, cannot be seen and makes all the difference in how effectively I can exchange gasses in my lungs. Until I fully relax, no swim is comfortable...I will be hurting for air, but once I find this relaxation I feel good. In fact, I've been suffering for air after pushing off the wall, and without surfacing or taking a breath, I've remembered to relax and voila! I am suddenly not hurting for air! By relaxing, I simply let the air in my lungs make it to my blood, and the CO2 in my blood make it to my lungs. Crazy!
I believe the magic trick is to learn that relaxation! And to new swimmers, it's never there! So they don't realize how comfortable swimming can be.
Now I have no idea if I communicated that concept clearly...I just hope I have.



2013-08-16 9:33 AM
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Originally posted by DirkP

Here's my splits from tonight easy 4 mile run.......

Mile 4 had me crossing the road twice when I needed to accelerate some to clear some oncoming traffic.  I wonder what that split would have looked like had I been able to keep things at the pace I was running.  I felt really amazing tonight!  Just thought I'd share.

Lets be serious, you were just looking to negative split the run.

Crap!!  Busted!!

Ina ll seriousness I was trying to even split the run.  The course I do is nearly a pancake so even split should be pretty easy to do if you are able to remain focused.  I tr yo to even split all of my shorter distance runs to attempt to learn to feel my way through pacing.  This can be very useful during races that have small elevation changes across the course giving the ability to project a hard but solid race performance.

2013-08-16 11:34 AM
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OK, I just got back from a 30 minute swim. When I 1st started sighting it just wasn't working, all my coordination was like trying to throw a baseball with the wrong hand but i kept trying. When I finally got to where I wasn't drinking the entire pool I was lifting my head way to high and it still was terrible, then I remembered ya'll saying to get just the eyes out of the water, IT CLICKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you all for your help!!!!! Another piece of the puzzle put in place. How many more are there? lol

I can't thank ya'll enough!

Now ya'll go out there and win some races this weekend..
2013-08-16 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by DirkP

Originally posted by wbayek
Originally posted by KWDreamun Actually I swam today, it was short just a little over 1,000 yards and it was easy, a lot easier than the race last weekend.
This does support the thought that you went out too hard in the race. This is such a common thing that I think it's almost impossible to NOT do it. Everyone swims those first 50-100 yards like it's a swim meet. If you're competing for an ITU podium, or may be important to stay with the front wave, otherwise it's best to swim only as hard as you can maintain your form. The interesting side note on this is that I think we'd all be shocked how little time difference there is between "all out" and swimming only as hard as possible with our best form. Good luck on the lesson. It can really help to have someone watch and point out some obvious flaws. What we think we're doing and what we're actually doing in the water are often dramatically different.

Agreed 100%!!  As I said in a recent post, I tell people to go easy on the swim and when they think they're going about the right speed........SLOW DOWN!!!  You're going too fast!!  The first 100 or so yards seem to catch up to you about 250 or so into the swim when you become out of breath and exhausted. 

SLOW DOWN!!!  And swim at a comfortable pace, especially for the first 100+ yards.

I concur on the swim discussion. After swimming sidestroke at the July 4th Tri and coaching my friend through her swim, I knew that staying calm would be the absolute most important thing for me last Saturday. I made sure not to look around at where everyone else was and just tried to swim slow and consistent and not focus on the fact that it was double the distance of any race swim I had ever done.

Karl - I still think you did great considering it was onyl your 3rd triathlon.

2013-08-16 1:01 PM
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We are in the middle of a heat wave right now.  We reached a record high temp for today of 73 degrees!  (I saw 80 degrees on my house thermometer in the shade, though.)  My run this evening was pretty miserable.

I'm running away from all of you now. Tongue out

aahhh ahhahah  hahahah h ahahhahaaa..... me and Karl are trying not to pee our pants at the moment....

There are plenty of mornings we get up here and it is 76 degrees with 90% humidity at 5:00 in the morning. Talk about miserable runs... My favorite runs ever were in Mammoth Lakes, Ca, running through snow trails and watching the sun rise over the mountains while I wore mittens, thermal long johns and tried to not let my nose freeze off!

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Originally posted by wbayek As for me, I have a little issue. Ever since the car "accident", I've had trouble at letting my speed get up in the bike. My nerves just kick in once I get to 32-33, which just happens to be the exact speed I was going when the car hit me. This is really a problem for Timberman since it's a course you really need to run out the downhills to make up for speed you've lost on the uphills. I'm going for one last ride on the hills today mostly to try to hammer down them to get my guts back. This is a totally foreign feeling for me since I've always been a death defying type - extreme skiing for years, parachute club member and firefighter, etc. I am a little concerned. Send me some good vibes.

Warren - Good vibes being sent your way.... I am not a parachute vlub member or a firefighter.... but I have donned a uniform to protect out country...

I have always admired those who seemed to have no fear, those who could fling themselves off 15' high dives, spin and still land in the water easily. I have always wished I could hit big snowboard jumps and get inverted while doing a 720 dregree rotation. I am not this person. Fear is something I know well. But, the challenge, the adrenaline rush is always worth it.

After laying my motorcycle down, I knew I had to ride again as soon as I could or I would never get over my fear. After suffering huge falls in snowbarrding I knew I had to hit those big jumps again so that the fear wouldn't take over.

My point is this... fear is real and it is legitimate. You can let it hold you back, you can let it make you panic and quit, or you can conquer it. I choose to acknowledge it and then I choose to conquer it. I believe that when you are out there riding you will have that moment when you "get your guts back," especially if you pace behind someone who is hauling soome bootay!

Go get it!   



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Originally posted by strikyr
Originally posted by JeffY Tony, you are blowing my mind. Can't tell you how impressed I am!
Jeff thank you I can't tell you how much that means to me. I truly never thought I'd be able to do all this stuff and really am amazed at how far I've come in such a short time. All I can say is I've had ALOT of help in making it this far. If it weren't for the Junkies who have been incrediablely supportive and helpful along with the LI contigent of triathletes especially the few who took the time out to mentor me I'd not be in the postion I'm in. I'm truly grateful to you guys and everyone who has helped and supported me. You guys have shared your knowledge and experience with me and I've definitely benefitted from that. Being a part of the Junkies is one the best things to happen to me and I'm glad you guys have been on this journey with me. I just can't wait to for Sept. 8th to get here.

I wish there was a bunch of like" buttons for this post! I am so grateful to be here with you guys and gals.

2013-08-16 1:29 PM
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Originally posted by strikyr
Originally posted by JeffY Tony, you are blowing my mind. Can't tell you how impressed I am!
Jeff thank you I can't tell you how much that means to me. I truly never thought I'd be able to do all this stuff and really am amazed at how far I've come in such a short time. All I can say is I've had ALOT of help in making it this far. If it weren't for the Junkies who have been incrediablely supportive and helpful along with the LI contigent of triathletes especially the few who took the time out to mentor me I'd not be in the postion I'm in. I'm truly grateful to you guys and everyone who has helped and supported me. You guys have shared your knowledge and experience with me and I've definitely benefitted from that. Being a part of the Junkies is one the best things to happen to me and I'm glad you guys have been on this journey with me. I just can't wait to for Sept. 8th to get here.

I wish there was a bunch of like" buttons for this post! I am so grateful to be here with you guys and gals.

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly too!

I had composed a nice long note last week that said something personal to each of you (you know it had all your names highlighted in the appropriate color with smiley faces and all) but I hadn't finished and it disappeared - just vanished off my screen.  I was so frustrated that I thought I'd wait until I had a bigger chuck of time to re-compose it but that time never came.   So, I'm just jumping back in the discussion without addressing all your past notes and accomplishments.   Please forgive me for seeming to be impersonal.   I'm truly impressed with where you all are at.   You're inspirational for sure.   Good luck to racers this weekend!  And for the rest of you - have fun training and relaxing!

 

2013-08-16 2:24 PM
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OK, I just got back from a 30 minute swim. When I 1st started sighting it just wasn't working, all my coordination was like trying to throw a baseball with the wrong hand but i kept trying. When I finally got to where I wasn't drinking the entire pool I was lifting my head way to high and it still was terrible, then I remembered ya'll saying to get just the eyes out of the water, IT CLICKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you all for your help!!!!! Another piece of the puzzle put in place. How many more are there? lol

I can't thank ya'll enough!

Now ya'll go out there and win some races this weekend..


Karl this is awesome! Just be happy with every little gain you can make with swimming. IMO it's the hardest and most fustrating of the three disciplines to conquer. Any breakthrough in swimming should be celebrated. My goal this winter is definitely going to be focused on improving my swim. I went from terrible to bad now I want to get to average lol.
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Originally posted by wbayek As for me, I have a little issue. Ever since the car "accident", I've had trouble at letting my speed get up in the bike. My nerves just kick in once I get to 32-33, which just happens to be the exact speed I was going when the car hit me. This is really a problem for Timberman since it's a course you really need to run out the downhills to make up for speed you've lost on the uphills. I'm going for one last ride on the hills today mostly to try to hammer down them to get my guts back. This is a totally foreign feeling for me since I've always been a death defying type - extreme skiing for years, parachute club member and firefighter, etc. I am a little concerned. Send me some good vibes.

Warren - Good vibes being sent your way.... I am not a parachute vlub member or a firefighter.... but I have donned a uniform to protect out country...

I have always admired those who seemed to have no fear, those who could fling themselves off 15' high dives, spin and still land in the water easily. I have always wished I could hit big snowboard jumps and get inverted while doing a 720 dregree rotation. I am not this person. Fear is something I know well. But, the challenge, the adrenaline rush is always worth it.

After laying my motorcycle down, I knew I had to ride again as soon as I could or I would never get over my fear. After suffering huge falls in snowbarrding I knew I had to hit those big jumps again so that the fear wouldn't take over.

My point is this... fear is real and it is legitimate. You can let it hold you back, you can let it make you panic and quit, or you can conquer it. I choose to acknowledge it and then I choose to conquer it. I believe that when you are out there riding you will have that moment when you "get your guts back," especially if you pace behind someone who is hauling soome bootay!

Go get it!   

Wow! Well said!
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Originally posted by jenbmosley

Originally posted by wbayek As for me, I have a little issue. Ever since the car "accident", I've had trouble at letting my speed get up in the bike. My nerves just kick in once I get to 32-33, which just happens to be the exact speed I was going when the car hit me. This is really a problem for Timberman since it's a course you really need to run out the downhills to make up for speed you've lost on the uphills. I'm going for one last ride on the hills today mostly to try to hammer down them to get my guts back. This is a totally foreign feeling for me since I've always been a death defying type - extreme skiing for years, parachute club member and firefighter, etc. I am a little concerned. Send me some good vibes.

Warren - Good vibes being sent your way.... I am not a parachute vlub member or a firefighter.... but I have donned a uniform to protect out country...

I have always admired those who seemed to have no fear, those who could fling themselves off 15' high dives, spin and still land in the water easily. I have always wished I could hit big snowboard jumps and get inverted while doing a 720 dregree rotation. I am not this person. Fear is something I know well. But, the challenge, the adrenaline rush is always worth it.

After laying my motorcycle down, I knew I had to ride again as soon as I could or I would never get over my fear. After suffering huge falls in snowbarrding I knew I had to hit those big jumps again so that the fear wouldn't take over.

My point is this... fear is real and it is legitimate. You can let it hold you back, you can let it make you panic and quit, or you can conquer it. I choose to acknowledge it and then I choose to conquer it. I believe that when you are out there riding you will have that moment when you "get your guts back," especially if you pace behind someone who is hauling soome bootay!

Go get it!   

Wow! Well said!
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2013-08-16 4:05 PM
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Subject: RE: ASPHALT JUNKIES Summer Bronzing Crew - CLOSED
Warren and Derek: Good Luck this weekend!
and to anyone else racing!!
2013-08-16 7:36 PM
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Thanks for the support everyone. I will do my best to represent the junkies well.

The only thing I'll add to the sighting discussion is that you can take a snapshot of the horizon and let your brain fill it in. By that I mean you don't have to stare for 5 seconds to get a fully clear picture. Just a glimpse is usually enough to get the data required to adjust your stroke. Also, if you need to correct course, remember you are a front wheel drive vehicle. Don't stop and turn. You want to adjust as part of your stroke and have it affect your rhythm too much. Simply reach out further on the side you want to go, and pull a little wider. Within a few strokes you'll be back on course.
2013-08-16 8:13 PM
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I just heard that Timberman has live tracking this year, though only one split halfway through the bike. My team is bib 2631 if anyone is interested.
2013-08-16 8:39 PM
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Originally posted by KWDreamun


Will, have you run in the camel back? I see a lot of people arond ehre doing that, try it and let me know how you like it. Also, how do you clean it?


I haven't run in it yet and not sure if I will... but reading the reviews on amazon, there are a lot of ppl who run in it and like it. I'm not sure about cleaning. There is a bladder inside that comes out... I guess the shell could be washed in the machine...
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