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2009-08-12 9:12 AM

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Subject: First Snake Swim
Hi All,

I did search for this but only found 1 reference on the boards to a snake swim.  I have 2 sprints under my belt and both were OWS.  I have what will probably be my last race this season in about 7 weeks and it's a "Snake Swim" (staggered 15s intervals). 

Being the newb that I am, could someone describe what a snake swim is and any helpful info that you've experienced (good or bad).  Also, is there anything in particular that I need to practice as it relates to a snake swim?


2009-08-12 9:35 AM
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In a pool, the snake swim referes to swimming down the length of the pool and coming back in the next lane, and so on. Practice your turn by swimming under the lane line and keep going. See if you can get people to congregate at the end of the pool to practice going around people, as this usually happens in the race.
2009-08-12 9:36 AM
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Think of a lane pool with all the lane markers. If you're lucky, you'll go up one lane, then under the lane rope and back down the next lane. Repeat until you run out of pool.

If you're not as lucky you'll go up one lane, turn around in the same lane and go back down the lane. Then go under the rope and do the same thing in the next lane.

You're going to run into traffic jams. You're going to run out of lane. You're going to get stuck behind someone breast stroking. Those are the bad ones I can think of immediately.

Take your time and estimate your swim time correctly rather than trying to game it and becoming the traffic jam yourself.
2009-08-12 9:46 AM
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Wow.....this sounds like it might be fun or not so much.....

What is the proper technique or etiquette to pass or let someone pass?


Because the swim can be largely dependent on how well the others "seeded" themselves, should I expect to just chalk up the swim to whatever I get or should I plan to actually race that poriton? 

I'm all about going as fast as I can but I wouldn't feel comfortable swimming over someone one or being "that guy" during the swim given the format. 
2009-08-12 9:49 AM
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Plenty of room in the lane to pass one or even two slower swimmers, no need to swim over them. If the race director doesn't give specific instructions on how and when to pass, then talk it over with the folks in line with you as you wait your start. Let them know that a tap on the foot will let you know that they are passing, and that you will let them pass during the length or at the wall.

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2009-08-12 9:55 AM
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the bear - 2009-08-12 9:49 AM Plenty of room in the lane to pass one or even two slower swimmers, no need to swim over them. If the race director doesn't give specific instructions on how and when to pass, then talk it over with the folks in line with you as you wait your start. Let them know that a tap on the foot will let you know that they are passing, and that you will let them pass during the length or at the wall.


Thanks bear and others for the helpful responses.  Makes sense now. 

Anyone ever run into the "I won't let you pass even though I'm much slower folks"?   What do you usually do at that point?


2009-08-12 10:56 AM
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Thanks for asking this question.  May I add to this as well since I'm getting ready to do my first snake?

Is there any penalty for pushing off each time you go down a lane?  Or pentalites for "not" touching the end of the lane and leaving the lap short?  I would figure ppl would go down half of the lane, then under the rope, then half again, which of course would cut time/distance short.  Didn't know if you have seen people do this or if there is specific rules to prevent this (ex: touch the end of the lane each time).????
2009-08-12 11:12 AM
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The two I have done have had spotters/ watchers at each end of the pool, and most people are pretty honest.
Really important that you give your best/ most accurate time estimate and don't forget taht on race day you will be having a serious Adrenaline dump and be going faster that you think.
2009-08-13 8:43 PM
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So what do you do if you run into people that won't want you to pass, well that's a tough one?  You can try to sprint by on the left but then you get worn out pretty fast.  It wasn't a snake swim but a pool swim (4 per lane for 500 yards) and after 2 lengths of tapping the feet and then hoping they stopped at the wall (which all 4 of us discussed before we started), I finally got irritated and then when coming into the wall for the flip turn, I just started to pass on the left and sort of just crowded him into not being able to flip turn.  Worked just fine and we never bumped into each other.  Plus I really didn't need to sprint so was able to pull away just fine without spiking the heart rate.  If you are relatively the same speed, just say within 5 seconds per lap faster, just hang out and draft.  You may feel like you are being held up but the energy saved from not having to swim hard for the pass, just to save 15-20 seconds total, will be worth it on the bike.

Penalty for pushing off the wall on the turn?  Great question but absolutely not, no penalty.  Use the wall for all it's worth.  The farther you can streamline, the less strokes you have take....  Just don't grab the lane line to advance or walk along the bottom of the pool (if shallow), that would be a no-no.  Holding onto the wall to rest is perfectly acceptable though.  Typically there are a few officials keeping an eye on the swim portion and can fairly easily identify who is cutting the course. 

so just follow the black line, if you feel the tap of the foot, just stop at the next wall and let them pass as it is better to draft than feel like someone is pushing you harder than you want to go.  If you feel bubbles in front of you, swim to you hit their feet (tap) and hope they provide the same courtesy.
Have fun and good luck.
2009-08-17 3:52 PM
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I’m resurrecting this post to make a quick point to other newbies in training.  When you are training in your local pool doing laps, don’t forget to account for going under the lane lines during your swim.  In my training before my first tri, I was swimming 400 yards in 8:00 to 8:15.  I thought I had a pretty good shot at 8:00 when I went in the pool.  I came out just a few seconds past 10 minutes.  My form blew up completely.  I know there were several other factors involved (excitement, traffic), but I’m absolutely convinced that my lack of prep for going under the lane lines was a big issue.

If you are just swimming in your local pool without doing kick turns, you are above water breathing as you touch and above breathing as you push off and head back.  When you snake swim, you have to hold your breath to get under the lane line.  In my training, I was using the touch and go to catch my breath.  In the snake swim, the lane change was basically the exact opposite—I was using my breath.  Failure to plan for that was a significant contributor to my disappointing performance.  I was finally back in the water today and broke my swim up into three 400 yard swims.  I did each in well under 9 minutes.  Just disgusted with myself.

My two cents for what it is worth (two cents): if you are prepping for a snake swim, simulate the lane change.  When you touch, go under for two or three seconds and then push off.  I wish I had thought of that before my first snake swim.  Hope it is of value to you.

2009-08-17 6:20 PM
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And to re-emphasize:
While you can pass on the left, most of the passing occurs at the walls.  If you've got a situation you can't pass, just wait for the next wall.


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