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2010-08-23 8:31 AM

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Ummm...I just knew that the man that wore black face at his garden party would insult the Japanese business men from Honda.  Is it wrong that I am stil hopelessly in love with Roger Sterling?


2010-08-23 8:39 AM
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Loved this episode.  The scene with Peggy just riding the scooter around the empty studio lot makes me smile every time I think about it.

Good character development for Pete, who I've despised since he was Angel's son.  ;-)

I think the new blond woman (forget her name) who does the market analysis is shaping up to be a good match for Don.  Pretty and smart.

Last week when Don's secretary quit she said "It pains me to say this, but you're not a very nice person" which is EXACTLY how I've felt about him.  But I feel like Don might be evolving into someone who has learned from his past mistakes.  We shall see.

2010-08-23 9:03 AM
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It was good to see Pete grow a pair in the office, and I'm glad the other partners backed him up. 

Yeah, no matter how offensive what Roger said was, it still comes off as funny and you like him.  And also odd is that the worse Betty gets, the more I want to see her.  It's like she's finally showing her true colors.

 

2010-08-25 8:00 AM
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It was nice to see Don regain his fastball a little with the masterfully-played trap he set for his rival. Loved the dynamic between Roger and the rest of the partners over Honda, especially Pete calling Roger out and Don defending Pete.

Betty’s horrible. With the possible exception of Livia Soprano, I’d say she’s the worst TV mom in history. Interesting, I think, since Don’s character is very much like Tony Soprano in a lot of ways. I loved his little speech about his kids (“I don’t see them enough, then I don’t know what to do with them when I have them. I’m relieved when I drop them off, and then I miss them.”)

And another True Blood actress crosses over into Mad Men. We’ve already got Anna Camp, who played Sarah Newlin last season and now Patricia Bethune playing Sally’s shrink, who played Jane Bodehouse on TB (the always-naked giggling elderly woman). Hopefully she’ll keep her clothes on this time. Ew.
2010-08-25 8:21 AM
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It is funny, when I saw the child psychiatrist, who's name was Edna, my first thought was that a side story-line would be that she married and then divorced a man with the last name Garrett.  She dropped her practice and ran an all girls school a few miles up the river in Peekskill. 

I couldn't get the lyrics "you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have..." out of my head after that.

 

And I was glad to see that they started to address the "politics" of the office.  Roger didn't try to sabotage Honda b/c he was anti-Japanese, he tried to sabotage them because he doesn't want Pete to have a larger book of business.  The whole Japanese/WWII was a pretense.  This was lead-in by the dumping of the clearasil account earlier b/c there was the chancde to make this account much large and threaten his Lucky Strike account.

Working in a similar service-industry where you are in many ways measured by your "book of business," I have first hand seen this exact thing play out.  In fact, I've quit a job over a senior partner having a large book of business going out of his way to block new work for others for numerous reasons (all BS) when the real reason is that it would diminish his power.

And I think people are being too hard on Betty.  She's a bad mother because she just doesn't know any better.  She's not nefariously mean (unlike the Soprano Matriarch), she's just a child.



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2010-08-25 1:44 PM
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i fast forward the betty and kids scenes, they are just depressing/upsetting.  roger is hilarious and is the rosencrantz and gildenstern of the show.


2010-08-25 2:37 PM
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I really enjoyed this episode - thought Don Draper and Pete were both great.  Also my first reaction about Sally was abuse by her grandpa, possibly while he watched TV with her.  Grandpa Gene always creeped me out last season...

2010-08-25 3:38 PM
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tracyhmcd - 2010-08-25 2:37 PM

I really enjoyed this episode - thought Don Draper and Pete were both great.  Also my first reaction about Sally was abuse by her grandpa, possibly while he watched TV with her.  Grandpa Gene always creeped me out last season...



My husband and I were thinking the same thing, and we were also pondering the possibility of Betty being abused in the past (Grandpa Gene creeped me out, too)
2010-08-25 7:26 PM
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maggyruth - 2010-08-25 4:38 PM
tracyhmcd - 2010-08-25 2:37 PM

I really enjoyed this episode - thought Don Draper and Pete were both great.  Also my first reaction about Sally was abuse by her grandpa, possibly while he watched TV with her.  Grandpa Gene always creeped me out last season...



My husband and I were thinking the same thing, and we were also pondering the possibility of Betty being abused in the past (Grandpa Gene creeped me out, too)


Ditto, thought the same things.  I am sure it will come out behind the close doors.  Did you notice how Betty eyed the doll house in the shrinks office?  I think her life with father was less than perfect.
2010-08-25 7:52 PM
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wildred - 2010-08-25 5:26 PM

maggyruth - 2010-08-25 4:38 PM
tracyhmcd - 2010-08-25 2:37 PM

I really enjoyed this episode - thought Don Draper and Pete were both great.  Also my first reaction about Sally was abuse by her grandpa, possibly while he watched TV with her.  Grandpa Gene always creeped me out last season...



My husband and I were thinking the same thing, and we were also pondering the possibility of Betty being abused in the past (Grandpa Gene creeped me out, too)


Ditto, thought the same things.  I am sure it will come out behind the close doors.  Did you notice how Betty eyed the doll house in the shrinks office?  I think her life with father was less than perfect.


I'm with all of you in having been creeped out by Gene, but the kind of self exploration that Sally was doing isn't uncommon among kids of that age, regardless of a history of abuse. Rather than go in the abuse direction, I'm hoping that they explore the mores of sexual repression that led to Betty's treating Sally as if there were something wrong with her.

As for Betty eyeing the doll house, I got the sense that her look had to do with discomfort with the "out of the frying pan, into the fire" switcharoo that went on at the end of the previous season. She left a constricted (and constricting) marriage with one man in order to get married to another man. I saw her look as saying that some part of her realizes that her unhappiness isn't entirely about the man she was (or is) married to, though I imagine that's a substantial part of it, but also about the institution of marriage as it was structured at that time, the rigidity of what's expected of her as an upper middle class woman, etc.

Of course, I could be wrong. Or it could be some of both. This is part of why I like the show: lots to unpack.
2010-08-25 8:25 PM
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puellasolis - 2010-08-25 7:52 PM  I'm with all of you in having been creeped out by Gene, but the kind of self exploration that Sally was doing isn't uncommon among kids of that age, regardless of a history of abuse. Rather than go in the abuse direction, I'm hoping that they explore the mores of sexual repression that led to Betty's treating Sally as if there were something wrong with her.



I agree with you...Sally is acting like a normal 10 year old-regardless of if there was abuse in the past.  I'm just wondering what the heck is wrong with Betty and if there might have been something inappropriate.


2010-08-25 9:57 PM
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Just finished watching this episode on DVR tonight (on the trainer)....love the show, loved the episode.  Brilliant idea to trick the competition.

I was very disappointed that the Barbie line of MadMen dolls look nothing like the actors.......just Ken and Barbie in diff. clothes...sigh. I would have loved a Roger and Joan doll (okay, and maybe a secret Don doll).......

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