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2008-09-07 4:53 PM

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Subject: another running shoe question.
Right now I'm using the Brooks Adrenaline GTS8 which is my first pair of "real" running shoes from a good running shop and I Love them. I got them In February and since then I've put over 700 miles on them. I know the rule of thumb is new shoes every 500 miles so I'm past due, but does anyone put a lot more then 500miles without issues? My shoes look pretty good and I'm a cheap bastard and don't feel right throwing theses expensive shoes out when they're only like 7 months old and paying another $150 for new ones.

But... If it is seriously gonna cause injury or any other affect on my running then I'll obvioulsy splurge and buy some new ones since I do have a 1/2 marathon at the end of the month.

Also would worn out shoes cause tight calves? I never really had this problem before but my last 2-3 runs my calves have felt really tight for the first 4-5km's. And I do have 2 black toe nails is this something that a bad fit causes or could it be just all the increased mileage?

For the record i'm a light weight runner (143lbs) and right now im running around 55kms/week but will be increasing for spring marathon.

Sorry for all the questions and the novel.


2008-09-07 5:20 PM
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2008-09-07 5:52 PM
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Subject: RE: another running shoe question.
x2 with betsy...get new shoes, and if you go to google shopping, you can get the adrenaline gts from $50 up. those are the shoes i run in, and ive got both versions 7 and 8. they are virtually identical from year to year. if you have a race coming up soon, get a new pair anyway and break them in so you can use them for the race. you dont want to use a run down pair with poor cushioning for the most important run you have on your schedule, do you?
2008-09-07 6:06 PM
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Another vote for a new pair. I typically only get 350-ish miles out of mine before my knees and shins start to hurt.

My retired pairs get bumped down first to "walking around town shoes" and then "mowing the grass shoes"
2008-09-07 6:17 PM
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I'm about the same weight as you and can usually get about 400 miles on my shoes.  I usally feel it in the knees first.  I think the toe nails may be from a misfit shoe box.  Maybe try shoes a 1/2 size bigger.  I know it's frustrating but you don't want to skimp on shoes.

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2008-09-07 6:59 PM
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2008-09-07 7:11 PM
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1. Get new shoes, 700mi is way over. You cannot tell visiualy when the midsole has broken
down. Instead your little pains and aches are a sure signal of a shoe midslole brakedown.
2. Well, you can be cheap all you want, but doctors costs in treating running injuries can
run up in $ thousands. So pay me now or pay me a lot more later. Take your pick. Don't
want to mention any down time and training/fitness loss due to injury. Wipes out all the
hard work you put in.
3. There is never a reason to pay $150 for a daily trainer, unless your foot anatomy and gait
mechanics require a special shoe. Most high mileage, daily running shoes are in $90-100
range.
4. Black toe nails are usually caused by to small shoe. You are supposed to have a thumb nail
width length between your longest toe and the shoe end of toe box, when standing and
prefferably in the afternoon.
2008-09-07 8:37 PM
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Subject: RE: another running shoe question.
Thanks everyone, thats the response I expected. As for the shoes being $150, I was not joking. I do Live in Canada so maybe they cost more here, and I'd much rather pay more (even tho I am cheap) to support the local running shop that puts on really good races and does so much for the running community.

The 2 black nails aren't the longest toes they are 2nd and 3rd shortest on different feet. I have quite a bit of room at the end of the shoe so that's why I think it's from increased mileage since I basically went from couch to 55k/week in a year and a half.

Should I stick with the Brooks GTS8 or is there another similar shoe that anyone would recomend? I'm a light weight moderate pronator and prefer a lighter shoe.

thanks again
2008-09-07 8:50 PM
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I alternate the Adrenalines with Asics GT-2xxx series, the current one being the GT-2130. Same type of stability shoe with decent cushioning.
2008-09-07 8:53 PM
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Subject: RE: another running shoe question.
Fitting with shoes...you need to make sure that you have about your thumbnail worth of room between ur big toe and the toe of the shoe. This is due to the swelling your feet undergo through the pounding while running.

IDK if weight is really going to matter...i'm 130lbs. and i just replaced my first sneakers around 450 miles...I knew they were wearing down and on a specific run my feet and knee's were bothering me and that was all i needed to know. The next day i got the same shoes just brand new. I run in the Nike Zoom Vemaro +3. Fantastic shoes, thats fairly light, neutral shoe, that is comfortable as all get out!

But definitely change the shoes asap!
2008-09-08 6:53 AM
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Subject: RE: another running shoe question.
If you've been running the same since you got the shoes, without any problems, and the problems with the tightness/pain have just started to turn up...you need new shoes.

What happens is that the support that's in the Adrenaline (that gray bit on your inner arch), breaks down, and doesn't support you as securely as it used to, so it isn't stopping your pronation like it should. The cushioning is also so battered down that it isn't absorbing the shock of hitting the ground.

It's time for new shoes, buddy. While the general rule is to stick with what works (i.e. buy the same shoe again) you might be able to find a similar support level in a different shoe company cheaper. The Asics 2130 , and Mizuno Wave Inspire are roughly equivalent.

You can help your shoes stay "fresh" by doing a couple things. 1) have a 24 hour break between runs. This allows the cushioning to "rebound". 2) if you've got the bucks, buy 2 pairs, an A and a B, and alternate. 3) if they get wet, stuff them with newsprint and put them upside down. This prevents mold and other beasties from festering in the foam...and it keeps your shoes from stinking.


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newbie13 - 2008-09-07 9:37 PM Thanks everyone, thats the response I expected. As for the shoes being $150, I was not joking. I do Live in Canada so maybe they cost more here, and I'd much rather pay more (even tho I am cheap) to support the local running shop that puts on really good races and does so much for the running community. The 2 black nails aren't the longest toes they are 2nd and 3rd shortest on different feet. I have quite a bit of room at the end of the shoe so that's why I think it's from increased mileage since I basically went from couch to 55k/week in a year and a half. Should I stick with the Brooks GTS8 or is there another similar shoe that anyone would recomend? I'm a light weight moderate pronator and prefer a lighter shoe. thanks again

I agree with the others that you're due for a new pair of shoes.  And like you I live in Canada where everything costs more !   I also like to buy locally if I can.  I recently bought a new pair of my usual shoes on sale ... I paid $144 for them, last time I paid regular price and paid $215 total with taxes.

As far as buying online... I recently bought an item that I couldn't purchase locally so I bought it online (from a US based company) .. the purchase price $79.99 USD ... add $15 for 'foreign shipping' (it cost them $4.56 to mail it to me).. add exchange and the total charged to my CC was $109.... so an extra $30.    Buying online from US based companies is not always cheaper for us in Canada.

2008-09-10 2:06 PM
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I just wanted to follow up and say that yesturday I went to the local running shop and got some new shoes! I tried on about 7 different pairs but nothing felt as good as the Brooks Adrenaline GTS8's so I just stuck with them. I asked the guy at the shop about my black nails and he said by looking at the way I tie my shoes up, It looks like the laces were too loose and my feet were sliding foreward into the end causing the bruised nails. It makes so much sense now!

I went for a tempo run today in them tied up nice and tight (but not too tight) and it felt so much better! No more tight calves either! and the difference in the cushioning was amazing between my new and old ones.

Thanks for advising me to get the new shoes ASAP. You guys and gals rock!
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