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2005-12-16 1:42 PM

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Subject: Question about increasing speed with the use of Heart Rate Monitor
I am training for my second year of triathlons this summer. Last year, most of my runs would end up around 10min/mile pace, whether I seemed to be pushing myself or not. In my first sprint tri in May I was able to do the 3.1 miles with an average 8:23min/mile pace. I want to increase my speed to under 8min/mile for 3.1 miles. I have started by training on a treadmill with a heart rate monitor. My idea (and the reason I am asking for opinions) is to do a 5 min. warm-up, then set the treadmill at 7.5/min for 3 miles and run until my BPM reached 160+ then step off until it goes below 140 and run again. After two workouts I have been able to run about half of the time and rest about half. I get my reasoning from the concept of beginner runners. In the beginning a person splits runs and walks dpending on their ability. As their fitness increases the time walking or resting decreases. My idea is to decrease my need to rest to the point where by my first race (May 2006) I would be able to run the whole 3.1 miles.
If anyone has any comments or suggestions, please let me know, as this is totally an experiment for me.
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2005-12-16 1:59 PM
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Sounds like interval training to me. Go for it just be sure to keep your long runs as part of your weekly program.
2005-12-16 2:37 PM
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What is your running background coming into this? I would question whether or not you should be doing intervals at this time of year unless you have a really strong run base to build from. If you don't have the base, you would probably be better served by doing zone 1 and 2 running with some form work (strides, pickups, etc) for short periods of time.

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2005-12-16 2:59 PM
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I don't think anyone should be doing intervals this time of year. The off-season is the time to prioritize moderate duration runs at very low intensity, heavy strength training, and working on technique.

This is the perfect time of year to work on technique. With training volume and intensity reduced and without the pressure of upcoming races, you can make significant changes in technique.

You might be interested in my book The Tritahlete's Guide to Run Training or my video Evolution Running: Run Faster with Fewer Injuries. Both are available at www.EvolutionRunning.com

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2005-12-16 3:08 PM
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KenMierke - 2005-12-16 2:59 PM I don't think anyone should be doing intervals this time of year.

I'm training for a half-marathon in February, why shouldn't I be doing intervals? And what's this "off season" thing?

2005-12-16 3:18 PM
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If the half marathon is a priority race, you should be doing intervals now, but you won't be as fast during triathlon season.

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KenMierke - 2005-12-16 3:18 PM If the half marathon is a priority race, you should be doing intervals now, but you won't be as fast during triathlon season. Ken

Won't be as fast as what? My big fat @$$ was last year?

2005-12-16 4:16 PM
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I am doing intervals and it has greatly increased my speed. I thought it was a good idea to concentrate on your weak sport during the "off season".

Hal Higdon has some good training plans to try.
2005-12-16 5:10 PM
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Bear, you just made me guffaw. How embarrassing, I am at work. How terribly unladylike.
2005-12-16 5:17 PM
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possum - 2005-12-16 5:10 PM Bear, you just made me guffaw. How embarrassing, I am at work. How terribly unladylike.

Glad to be of service ma'am!

2005-12-19 11:50 AM
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I understand that I am in my base period. I did a a lot of base work last year as I was training for a marathon along with my first Sprint triathlon. My problem is that I always run my base runs around the 10 min/mile pace, and even with weekly speed work in later training stages I still run 10 min/mile races. I am sick of getting in front during the swim, holding my own in the bike, and having people pass me during the run. I want to speed up, therefore I don't want to spend another offseason running at 10 min/mile pace.

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2005-12-19 12:11 PM
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I would suspect that you might be going out too hard on the swim and bike - leaving you with nothing left on the run.

What is your typical pace during interval training? Long runs?

Although you do want to focus on your weakness during the off-season, the typical formula for this (especially for a new athlete) would be to focus on frequency and duration, not intensity.

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2005-12-19 1:15 PM
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Concentrate yes, but it's more of a benefit to focus on building a stronger base and working on technique now so that you can take advantage of interval and speed work as you build and peak for your A races during the season.  Intervals and speed work are the final stages of race prep and you can typically only hold that peak for a couple weeks before the speed starts to erode...which is why periodicity is used through the season.  Unfortunately the majority of the "speed" you build now will be gone by the spring and you'll have to earn it again for your summer races.  Like Ken said, if you have a winter race that you consider an A race then go ahead and do your interval training but otherwise it might be best to leave the Z3+ stuff out of your training plan for a few months. 

Which brings me to another point for the original poster...have you estimated your LT and determined your training zones?  If not I might suggest doing this ASAP so that you can set upa more effective training plan.  I don't know where 160bpm puts you but for me that is just into Z3...a bit too intense for this point in my training cycle in most cases.  I prefer to hold in Z1/Z2 for 2-3 months.   Also, as someone else suggested, this might be a problem of pacing during the swim/bike portion and/or lack of brick workouts to prepare for the bike/run transition.

One of my more common suggestions is to sign up for a silver/gold membership and take advantage of Mike Ricci in the training support forum.  He'll walk you through establishing your training zones and provide support for any questions you might have as you work through any of the training plans available here at BT.  It's really a great opportinuty to work with an experienced coach and get direct personal feedback without the expense of a personal coach.  I see you are new around here so take some time to look around and see if you think this site suits your personality and needs.  It's growing (features and members) constantly and the memberships are a good way to support the site as well as get access to additional features.

ropkins - 2005-12-16 5:16 PM I am doing intervals and it has greatly increased my speed. I thought it was a good idea to concentrate on your weak sport during the "off season". Hal Higdon has some good training plans to try.



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