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2012-07-09 11:49 AM

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Just saw this a few minutes ago. 

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8143151/lance-armstrong-sues-block-doping-charges

I don't know if it will be successful, but at least he is fighting back. 



2012-07-09 12:36 PM
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I'm no lawyer (and I'm sure Lance has some of the best working for him) but this argument may hold water, its going to be an interesting week.

ALLEZ LANCE!

2012-07-09 12:49 PM
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 DUDE.....spoiler alert!!!  I haven't watched the news yet.  I DVR'd it!!!!! 

(see also other thread)
2012-07-09 1:42 PM
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These are the charges the USADA filed against Lance, Johann, Ferarri and the others:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0...


It reads well, but no huge revelations in there except they supposedly have testimony about his alleged Tour De Suisse positive sample. It does go into the rules, why they are alloawed to retroactively prosecute violations longer than the supposed statute of limitations, etc.

worth reading if you want to see what they're actually going after and how.
2012-07-09 2:50 PM
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What exactly does Cycling gain from this? Offering limited sanctions to active riders to try to prosecute a retired one? At a time when I would think cycling would like to improve its image in the public domain, raking up old charges on an old champion cannot be good for the sport.

If cycling truly wants to become more respected - all the entities should agree to bury the past and try to start a new era and prove that the achievements of today's great athletes are drug free ( we can hope!)

Regardless of what Malcolm McClaren said - bad publicity is NOT always better than no publicity at all.

With the media age upon us, positive press for cycling and the greater coverage should be the focus - not old news...regardless of guilt or innocence..

 

2012-07-09 2:55 PM
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This reads like Payton Place.

Makes me even less likely to watch anything to do with pro cycling, especially the Tour.



2012-07-09 3:06 PM
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I'm not even sure what that means... Athletes agree to the rules. They agree to race per UCI rules and USADA is a pert of them. It does not mean they are good rules. If you want to be a professional cyclist you have no choice. But then to say they are not good after they are imposed... I don't really see it holding water. I'm no lawyer though. Could just be a tactic to get some press out so when USADA does rule him guilty he can argue it in public court. Who knows.
2012-07-09 4:08 PM
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powerman - 2012-07-09 1:06 PM I'm not even sure what that means... Athletes agree to the rules. They agree to race per UCI rules and USADA is a pert of them. It does not mean they are good rules. If you want to be a professional cyclist you have no choice. But then to say they are not good after they are imposed... I don't really see it holding water. I'm no lawyer though. Could just be a tactic to get some press out so when USADA does rule him guilty he can argue it in public court. Who knows.

He is not arguing the rules - that doping is not allowed - he is argueing the USADA ability to strip him of his past titals and keep him from racing now by simply alleging he doped and that they have testimony to back it up. by that logic, any cyclist could allege that another US cyclist has used and, regardless of how many dozens or hundreds of drug tests they passed, the cyclist would not be allowed to race again until it was cleared up. Because the USADA is an official US organization to monitor doping in olympic and other athletes, they should be held to the same constitutional standards of guilty until proven innocent. Why should he be banned from racing now because of what someone said?

Personally I believe that he did not dope after so many negative tests and such close monitoring but even if he did, until it is proven and he has his chance at rebuttal/justification etc, I do not think it should keep him from going forward with his chosen sport.

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2012-07-09 5:16 PM
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Looks like the Judge kicked the lawsuit to the curb. story here. He can refile in 20 days. Judge didn't rule on the merits of the case how much since does that make?
2012-07-09 5:25 PM
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Because the USADA is an official US organization to monitor doping in olympic and other athletes, they should be held to the same constitutional standards of guilty until proven innocent.

Think you got that backwards



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powerman - 2012-07-09 1:06 PM I'm not even sure what that means... Athletes agree to the rules. They agree to race per UCI rules and USADA is a pert of them. It does not mean they are good rules. If you want to be a professional cyclist you have no choice. But then to say they are not good after they are imposed... I don't really see it holding water. I'm no lawyer though. Could just be a tactic to get some press out so when USADA does rule him guilty he can argue it in public court. Who knows.

He is not arguing the rules - that doping is not allowed - he is argueing the USADA ability to strip him of his past titals and keep him from racing now by simply alleging he doped and that they have testimony to back it up. by that logic, any cyclist could allege that another US cyclist has used and, regardless of how many dozens or hundreds of drug tests they passed, the cyclist would not be allowed to race again until it was cleared up. Because the USADA is an official US organization to monitor doping in olympic and other athletes, they should be held to the same constitutional standards of guilty until proven innocent. Why should he be banned from racing now because of what someone said?

Seriously, you really thought you had to explain that to me?

Like it or not, USADA is following their rules, or at least their interpretation of them. They feel they have the evidence and will present. When they present at such predetermined time, they expect the arbitration board to agree with them. This is agreed upon by every professional athlete who's governmening body uses USADA as their doping control organization. They are following the rules of their procedures.

Lance agreed to these rules in order to race, and now that they do not work for him anymore... or at least his interpretation of them... he does not like it. It's pretty simple. And that has nothing to do what one want's to believe about the merit of USADA's case, or Lance's side of it. That's just what is happening. No different that WTC not allowing Lance to race tris for the same rules they had in place that Lance agreed to.. the same rules that kept another proffessional from racing last year for the very same thing... hard to argue after the fact that you don't like the rule.

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powerman - 2012-07-09 1:06 PM I'm not even sure what that means... Athletes agree to the rules. They agree to race per UCI rules and USADA is a pert of them. It does not mean they are good rules. If you want to be a professional cyclist you have no choice. But then to say they are not good after they are imposed... I don't really see it holding water. I'm no lawyer though. Could just be a tactic to get some press out so when USADA does rule him guilty he can argue it in public court. Who knows.

He is not arguing the rules - that doping is not allowed - he is argueing the USADA ability to strip him of his past titals and keep him from racing now by simply alleging he doped and that they have testimony to back it up. by that logic, any cyclist could allege that another US cyclist has used and, regardless of how many dozens or hundreds of drug tests they passed, the cyclist would not be allowed to race again until it was cleared up. Because the USADA is an official US organization to monitor doping in olympic and other athletes, they should be held to the same constitutional standards of guilty until proven innocent. Why should he be banned from racing now because of what someone said?

Seriously, you really thought you had to explain that to me?

Like it or not, USADA is following their rules, or at least their interpretation of them. They feel they have the evidence and will present. When they present at such predetermined time, they expect the arbitration board to agree with them. This is agreed upon by every professional athlete who's governmening body uses USADA as their doping control organization. They are following the rules of their procedures.

Lance agreed to these rules in order to race, and now that they do not work for him anymore... or at least his interpretation of them... he does not like it. It's pretty simple. And that has nothing to do what one want's to believe about the merit of USADA's case, or Lance's side of it. That's just what is happening. No different that WTC not allowing Lance to race tris for the same rules they had in place that Lance agreed to.. the same rules that kept another proffessional from racing last year for the very same thing... hard to argue after the fact that you don't like the rule.

 

Here is my problem with it.  He won before the USADA was ever established and the USADA was only established for the purpose of the USOC.  So how could he have agreed to THOSE rules?

 

 

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