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2012-10-22 7:27 AM

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Subject: BT Engineers, help!

I have a new job where I am a part of mechanical drawing reviews for the different projects I am on.  I have ZERO drafting knowledge, not even the notations that are used in the drawings, how the measurements reference each other, etc.  Any suggestions on a book or course to just learn how to read mechanical drawings?  I will never be expected to DO them.  And as a chemical engineering undergrad, I never even touched this in college.  I haven't been able to find any sort of training through my company, but really think I need to learn this skill.

 

THANKS!



2012-10-22 7:33 AM
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This what I use.

http://www.asme.org/products/codes---standards/y32-2-3---1949-graphic-symbols-for-pipe-fittings--

It's an oldy but a goody.  Digital now.  I have a paper copy from the 70's somewhere.

TW

2012-10-22 7:34 AM
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tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:33 AM

This what I use.

http://www.asme.org/products/codes---standards/y32-2-3---1949-graphic-symbols-for-pipe-fittings--

It's an oldy but a goody.  Digital now.  I have a paper copy from the 70's somewhere.

TW

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2012-10-22 7:37 AM
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mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:27 AM

I have a new job where I am a part of mechanical drawing reviews for the different projects I am on.  I have ZERO drafting knowledge, not even the notations that are used in the drawings, how the measurements reference each other, etc.  Any suggestions on a book or course to just learn how to read mechanical drawings?  I will never be expected to DO them.  And as a chemical engineering undergrad, I never even touched this in college.  I haven't been able to find any sort of training through my company, but really think I need to learn this skill.

THANKS!

ANSI and ASME has plenty of standards for drafting but you have to pay for them and they are not too exciting.

Genium Publishing has a manual named "Drafting Manual" that gives some good overviews.

Here is a PDF with some elementary concepts.  But this is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://machineshop.olin.edu/resources/documents/Technical%20Drawing%20-%20Class%20Handout.pdf

This is not something you pick up overnight.  It takes years and years of practices to be a drawing checker.  Hopefully they are not expecting you to sign off on drawings with no knowledge of drafting standards. 

Also there are really two levels of checking.  1.  Is checking to see if they are notated to the ANSI or company standards.  2. Is checking of they are detailed and toleranced to the correct dimensions for fit and functionality.  You can have a drawing that is perfectly drawn and detailed yet will not fit in the application.

2 very different things.



Edited by TriRSquared 2012-10-22 7:39 AM
2012-10-22 7:37 AM
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Are you using AutoCAD?  If so there are tons of books for your to reference. 
2012-10-22 7:43 AM
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TriRSquared - 2012-10-22 8:37 AM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:27 AM

I have a new job where I am a part of mechanical drawing reviews for the different projects I am on.  I have ZERO drafting knowledge, not even the notations that are used in the drawings, how the measurements reference each other, etc.  Any suggestions on a book or course to just learn how to read mechanical drawings?  I will never be expected to DO them.  And as a chemical engineering undergrad, I never even touched this in college.  I haven't been able to find any sort of training through my company, but really think I need to learn this skill.

THANKS!

ANSI and ASME has plenty of standards for drafting but you have to pay for them and they are not too exciting.

Genium Publishing has a manual named "Drafting Manual" that gives some good overviews.

Here is a PDF with some elementary concepts.  But this is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://machineshop.olin.edu/resources/documents/Technical%20Drawing%20-%20Class%20Handout.pdf

This is not something you pick up overnight.  It takes years and years of practices to be a drawing checker.  Hopefully they are not expecting you to sign off on drawings with no knowledge of drafting standards. 

Also there are really two levels of checking.  1.  Is checking to see if they are notated to the ANSI or company standards.  2. Is checking of they are detailed and toleranced to the correct dimensions for fit and functionality.  You can have a drawing that is perfectly drawn and detailed yet will not fit in the application.

2 very different things.

we have a drafter and a product designer that do all of the actual cad-work.  my role is just to review the drawings for what characteristics/features affect manufacturability, so i have to be able to interpret the GD&T for the most part and challenge specs that cannot be met and/or manufactured.  does that make sense?  i have zero responsibility for creating, editing, or updating the drawings, literally just reading them and making sure the parts will work and/or making sure the assembly equipment can handle the parts as designed.



2012-10-22 7:55 AM
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mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:34 AM
tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:33 AM

This what I use.

http://www.asme.org/products/codes---standards/y32-2-3---1949-graphic-symbols-for-pipe-fittings--

It's an oldy but a goody.  Digital now.  I have a paper copy from the 70's somewhere.

TW

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Cut and past fail. Try again.

In one of life's little funny coincidences, my mother who is gradually losing her memory is in Room 404 in the assisted living facility. I have dibs on the room next.

TW



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2012-10-22 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: BT Engineers, help!
mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:43 AM
TriRSquared - 2012-10-22 8:37 AM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:27 AM

I have a new job where I am a part of mechanical drawing reviews for the different projects I am on.  I have ZERO drafting knowledge, not even the notations that are used in the drawings, how the measurements reference each other, etc.  Any suggestions on a book or course to just learn how to read mechanical drawings?  I will never be expected to DO them.  And as a chemical engineering undergrad, I never even touched this in college.  I haven't been able to find any sort of training through my company, but really think I need to learn this skill.

THANKS!

ANSI and ASME has plenty of standards for drafting but you have to pay for them and they are not too exciting.

Genium Publishing has a manual named "Drafting Manual" that gives some good overviews.

Here is a PDF with some elementary concepts.  But this is only the tip of the iceberg.

http://machineshop.olin.edu/resources/documents/Technical%20Drawing%20-%20Class%20Handout.pdf

This is not something you pick up overnight.  It takes years and years of practices to be a drawing checker.  Hopefully they are not expecting you to sign off on drawings with no knowledge of drafting standards. 

Also there are really two levels of checking.  1.  Is checking to see if they are notated to the ANSI or company standards.  2. Is checking of they are detailed and toleranced to the correct dimensions for fit and functionality.  You can have a drawing that is perfectly drawn and detailed yet will not fit in the application.

2 very different things.

we have a drafter and a product designer that do all of the actual cad-work.  my role is just to review the drawings for what characteristics/features affect manufacturability, so i have to be able to interpret the GD&T for the most part and challenge specs that cannot be met and/or manufactured.  does that make sense?  i have zero responsibility for creating, editing, or updating the drawings, literally just reading them and making sure the parts will work and/or making sure the assembly equipment can handle the parts as designed.

That's a lot to ask of someone who has (self-admittedly) no knowledge of drawing standards.  I would suggest looking into a GD&T class.  Usually local community and tech colleges offer them.

Not trying to be negative (you can certainly learn).  I just would hate for you to be put in an impossible position.

Feel free to talk to me offline if you want.  This is the type of stuff we do for a living.

2012-10-22 9:25 AM
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Here are some GDT&T products. I have the poster hanging on my wall and is a good quick reference. It wouldn't be a substitute for training, though.

http://iigdt.com/Products/ProdOverview.htm

Iigdt gave and in-house training here that was well received.

There is also a free e-newsletter that you can sign up for here:

http://www.tec-ease.com/gdt-tips.php
2012-10-22 10:15 AM
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tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:55 AM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:34 AM
tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:33 AM

This what I use.

http://www.asme.org/products/codes---standards/y32-2-3---1949-graphic-symbols-for-pipe-fittings--

It's an oldy but a goody.  Digital now.  I have a paper copy from the 70's somewhere.

TW

404 not found!!!

Cut and past fail. Try again.

Damn. I thought this was going to be a link to some cool symbols from 1949 for pipes and stuff, but it's a link to buy a book. I don't want the book, I just want to look at cool symbols from 1949 for pipes and stuff.

2012-10-22 10:23 AM
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mrbbrad - 2012-10-22 11:15 AM
tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:55 AM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:34 AM
tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:33 AM

This what I use.

http://www.asme.org/products/codes---standards/y32-2-3---1949-graphic-symbols-for-pipe-fittings--

It's an oldy but a goody.

  Digital now.  I have a paper copy from the 70's somewhere.

TW

404 not found!!!

Cut and past fail. Try again.

Damn. I thought this was going to be a link to some cool symbols from 1949 for pipes and stuff, but it's a link to buy a book. I don't want the book, I just want to look at cool symbols from 1949 for pipes and stuff.

Of course piping symbols and what Marilyn wants are really 2 different things...



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2012-10-22 10:28 AM
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Subject: RE: BT Engineers, help!
TriRSquared - 2012-10-22 11:23 AM
mrbbrad - 2012-10-22 11:15 AM
tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:55 AM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 8:34 AM
tech_geezer - 2012-10-22 8:33 AM

This what I use.

http://www.asme.org/products/codes---standards/y32-2-3---1949-graphic-symbols-for-pipe-fittings--

It's an oldy but a goody.

  Digital now.  I have a paper copy from the 70's somewhere.

TW

404 not found!!!

Cut and past fail. Try again.

Damn. I thought this was going to be a link to some cool symbols from 1949 for pipes and stuff, but it's a link to buy a book. I don't want the book, I just want to look at cool symbols from 1949 for pipes and stuff.

Of course piping symbols and what Marilyn wants are really 2 different things...

i used to be able to read P&ID!

some of these links have been super helpful, going to see if my boss will pay for something...



Edited by mehaner 2012-10-22 10:29 AM
2012-10-22 10:57 AM
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Here is a site that has some very basic symbols that are used:

http://www.wisc-online.com/Objects/ViewObject.aspx?ID=eng16204

While in college, I had to buy this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Interpreting-Engineering-Drawings-Drafting-Design/dp/1418055735

It goes through how the views are made, notations, techniques, etc. It is a HUGE help and I still use it all the time at work (FWIW I design gearboxes, doesn't get much more mechanical than that!).  I'm sure you could find an old edition of it for cheaper.

2012-10-22 11:57 AM
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I think I still have a GD&T book. I'll look for it when I get home... PM me your address, and if I have it, I'll ship it to you.
2012-10-22 12:41 PM
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mehaner - 2012-10-22 10:28 AM

i used to be able to read P&ID!

some of these links have been super helpful, going to see if my boss will pay for something...

If he's putting you into a job that you aren't trained for, he should pay for some references and training.  It's a lot cheaper than the design errors that aren't caught! 

2012-10-22 1:33 PM
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McFuzz - 2012-10-22 1:41 PM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 10:28 AM

i used to be able to read P&ID!

some of these links have been super helpful, going to see if my boss will pay for something...

If he's putting you into a job that you aren't trained for, he should pay for some references and training.  It's a lot cheaper than the design errors that aren't caught! 

Agreed.



2012-10-22 4:01 PM
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McFuzz - 2012-10-22 10:41 AM
mehaner - 2012-10-22 10:28 AM

i used to be able to read P&ID!

some of these links have been super helpful, going to see if my boss will pay for something...

If he's putting you into a job that you aren't trained for, he should pay for some references and training.  It's a lot cheaper than the design errors that aren't caught! 

^^^^This x 2!

2012-10-22 5:20 PM
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I'm assumming you're looking for info on Y14.5, here's a simple pocke guide:

 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hierarchy-Pocket-Guide-Dimensionin/dp/0979278171

 

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