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Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?


2008-10-29 10:34 PM
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better to rest (although I break that rule alot)
2008-10-30 12:10 AM
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If you don't have a fever, train.
2008-10-30 12:41 AM
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Take a day off if you have puked or have had a fever. What kind of sick are you? 24 hour flu? physically draining or mentally draining?...... When I got sick 3 days before a half mary, i just got a lot of rest and made sure to stretch while laying in bed...... i dont know how i ever completed it, i had eaten only like 1000 calories total in 3 days from it....then somehow yogurt-loaded before it and finished 'er...then a long bike ride after if i remember correctly.

Your body is capable of anything...... just eat a little extra healthy the next few days.

How old are you?

2008-10-30 4:12 AM
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dropdeadjersey - 2008-10-29 10:24 PM

Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?



Not worth it, IMO.

If it's above the neck, you're just going to have a crappy exercise session and not get a lot out of it.

If it's below the neck, you'll just further weaken your immune system and make the infection worse (at best), or possibly cause heart damage (at worse).

2008-10-30 6:32 AM
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Are you in the "off season"?  If so, then take as much time as you need to recover.  If you have a race in your near future, I'd do some light training with one day off.  The goal isn't to gain anything from the training sessions, just to lose as little as possible.


2008-10-30 6:51 AM
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Thank you for ur help everybody.
2008-10-30 6:57 AM
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dropdeadjersey - 2008-10-29 10:24 PM Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?
Not worth it, IMO. If it's above the neck, you're just going to have a crappy exercise session and not get a lot out of it. If it's below the neck, you'll just further weaken your immune system and make the infection worse (at best), or possibly cause heart damage (at worse).

There is nothing to support this.  It's a piece of "common wisdom" that just gets passed from person to person without any basis for it.

There are no hard and fast rules about training while you're sick.  If you feel like you need to rest, then just do it.

2008-10-30 7:15 AM
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DerekL - 2008-10-30 6:57 AM

There is nothing to support this.  It's a piece of "common wisdom" that just gets passed from person to person without any basis for it.


Hi Derek, I know how you like to argue, so I'll just add this and then bow out.

That common wisdom actually comes from Peter Janssen, MD, from his book "Lactate Threshold Training". Now, he didn't provide any citations for that bit of common wisdom, but a quick pubmed search shows mice have a proclivity for death when exercising with coxsackie viral infection.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2543197?ordinalpos=6&itool=Entre...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3526508?ordinalpos=7&itool=Entre...

Have a good day.
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DerekL - 2008-10-30 6:57 AM There is nothing to support this.  It's a piece of "common wisdom" that just gets passed from person to person without any basis for it.
Hi Derek, I know how you like to argue, so I'll just add this and then bow out. That common wisdom actually comes from Peter Janssen, MD, from his book "Lactate Threshold Training". Now, he didn't provide any citations for that bit of common wisdom, but a quick pubmed search shows mice have a proclivity for death when exercising with coxsackie viral infection. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2543197?ordinalpos=6&itool=E... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3526508?ordinalpos=7&itool=E... Have a good day.

Well the unwarranted insult aside, I'll say that you're posting about a very specific condition that is rarely the cause of people's illnesses.  It's like telling people with sniffles and a cough that they might have lung cancer.  You can live your life in a bubble hoping you don't have relatively rare diseases, or you can live in reality where common things are common.

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dropdeadjersey - 2008-10-29 10:24 PM Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?

 I'd say that really depends on how sick you are.  If you have a mild case of the sinus congestion or running, I'd say it's ok, just load up on the Vitamin C and get adequate sleep.  Now, if it progresses or your body is already feeling weak, I don't think you'd have much of a workout anyway, so might as well stay in bed.  If you are feeling chills or are having trouble keeping things down, loss of appetite, that's probably another good idea that you should rest instead too.



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dropdeadjersey - 2008-10-29 10:24 PM Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?
Not worth it, IMO. If it's above the neck, you're just going to have a crappy exercise session and not get a lot out of it. If it's below the neck, you'll just further weaken your immune system and make the infection worse (at best), or possibly cause heart damage (at worse).

There is nothing to support this.  It's a piece of "common wisdom" that just gets passed from person to person without any basis for it.

There are no hard and fast rules about training while you're sick.  If you feel like you need to rest, then just do it.



please clarify. which part is common wisdom? I see an IMO which I read as the poster's opinion implying a recommendation based on something other than fact (perhaps anecdotal experience). I don't see any specific assertions which could be argued on the basis of fact, and the message seems to be consistent with yours.
2008-10-30 11:11 AM
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I'm currently sick (head cold/flu type thing), and I am taking off.  I have a quarter marathon in 2.5 weeks (a longer run for me)...so I am really not wanting to have to stop.  I figure it's better to stop and heal though, rather than drag out the sickness.  I just hope I will be ok by Sat or Sun to do my long run.  So far, I have only missed 1 planned run.
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dropdeadjersey - 2008-10-29 10:24 PM Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?
Not worth it, IMO. If it's above the neck, you're just going to have a crappy exercise session and not get a lot out of it. If it's below the neck, you'll just further weaken your immune system and make the infection worse (at best), or possibly cause heart damage (at worse).

There is nothing to support this.  It's a piece of "common wisdom" that just gets passed from person to person without any basis for it.

There are no hard and fast rules about training while you're sick.  If you feel like you need to rest, then just do it.

please clarify. which part is common wisdom? I see an IMO which I read as the poster's opinion implying a recommendation based on something other than fact (perhaps anecdotal experience). I don't see any specific assertions which could be argued on the basis of fact, and the message seems to be consistent with yours.

It's the same advice that is passed around from person to person without factual evidence to back it up.  It's not an original thought or opinion from the poster in question.  That is common wisdom and like much information passed along in such a fashion, it's tenuous as best and wrong at worst.

The last sentence is a specific assertion if you were wondering.  It's not "you could" or "you might".  It is "you will".  There is no basis for such an assertion.

I don't post to these threads to argue, but I will post factual information or refute posts that give out medical advice that is contrary to fact.



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2008-10-30 2:08 PM
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If we are talking about the Cold here, I've read time and time again that exercising while you have the cold will neither help nor hurt you. It's really whatever you want to do. Of course the Flu or something worse is another deal altogether.
2008-10-30 2:14 PM
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I have a simple rule: I try to train. sometimes I feel better..sometimes I feel same or worse. If I feel better...I continue. If I feel worse...I stop and take a few days to rest, and then try again. Its like the old "listen to your body" mantra.


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My rule of thumb is that if it's just a bunch of annoying phegmy symptoms, then train, but if it's something that's sapping my energy, it's time to rest.
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DerekL - 2008-10-30 12:35 PM

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dropdeadjersey - 2008-10-29 10:24 PM Should u train while ur sick or should u just take a little time to rest?
Not worth it, IMO. If it's above the neck, you're just going to have a crappy exercise session and not get a lot out of it. If it's below the neck, you'll just further weaken your immune system and make the infection worse (at best), or possibly cause heart damage (at worse).

There is nothing to support this.  It's a piece of "common wisdom" that just gets passed from person to person without any basis for it.

There are no hard and fast rules about training while you're sick.  If you feel like you need to rest, then just do it.

please clarify. which part is common wisdom? I see an IMO which I read as the poster's opinion implying a recommendation based on something other than fact (perhaps anecdotal experience). I don't see any specific assertions which could be argued on the basis of fact, and the message seems to be consistent with yours.

It's the same advice that is passed around from person to person without factual evidence to back it up.  It's not an original thought or opinion from the poster in question.  That is common wisdom and like much information passed along in such a fashion, it's tenuous as best and wrong at worst.

The last sentence is a specific assertion if you were wondering.  It's not "you could" or "you might".  It is "you will".  There is no basis for such an assertion.

I don't post to these threads to argue, but I will post factual information or refute posts that give out medical advice that is contrary to fact.



Fair enough. I understand, now, that your objection is to the bold sentence. But in the spirit of helping out those of us that are interested in this question, what are the facts? Have there been studies that demonstate this is not true? Otherwise, I guess it is the word "will" as opposed to "could" that you object to?
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djluscher - 2008-10-30 4:28 PM Fair enough. I understand, now, that your objection is to the bold sentence. But in the spirit of helping out those of us that are interested in this question, what are the facts? Have there been studies that demonstate this is not true? Otherwise, I guess it is the word "will" as opposed to "could" that you object to?

I've elaborated on this in the past as have a few other docs around here.  You won't find studies or research because it's not an issue.  There aren't hard and fast processes that are strictly "below the neck" or "above the neck" and there are innumerable exceptions to the "rule".  Where is a fever?  Where is a cough?  If the rule has too many exceptions, it's not really much of a rule or guideline to base things on.

You can certainly make yourself by training through some illnesses.  The beauty of the human body is that we have natural defense mechanisms for keeping us from doing that.  Feeling bad is a sign that you should be resting.  There aren't any more elegant ways of saying that.  

My general rule is simple.  Train if you feel up to it.  Rest if not.  Err on the side of resting.



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Derek:
okay - gotcha. I guess I didn't fully appreciate the line drawn in the sand, so to speak, regarding the neck. After a very brief search on pubmed I have found a few articles that suggest that running while you have a cold may increase the duration and severity (even during the incubation period where symptoms are not as pronounced.) Do you feel that this is impacted by the severity of symptoms, i.e. if you don't feel terrible then continued running will not prolong the cold?
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