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2009-07-02 7:00 AM

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Subject: Legal issues involved with renting your home

Here's the deal

We are in the process of planning a move out of state.   We are keeping our current home and will be buying another when we move.    We want to rent our current home to help with paying that mortgage.

Our 18 year old daughter is staying in Florida to attend college and wants to rent our home with a couple friends.   We know her friends and we know they are good kids.    However, they are 18-19 year old teens and we realize they will do what young kids do at that age without supervision.  All 3 have stable jobs and we aren't worried about them paying us.

But here is our questions and concerns.....what is our liability for us being the home owners and them renting.   If they have a party and underage kids manage to show and consume alcohol, what is our liability?   What if the law gets called because they get loud and disturb the neighbors?

Again, we trust our daughter and her friends....but we know they are college kids and things may happen.    If this is something we decide to do, what do we do to safeguard ourselves?   What kind of rental contract to we have to have?   Something notarized or signed by a lawyer?

We don't want to be halfway across the US and have to worry about the other home.  



2009-07-02 7:19 AM
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I'm not a lawyer but... my parents did own a rental property while I was at college and I did live in said property - so heres my thoughts.  they are adults and are responsibile for what they do.  They need to knew very firmly what your expectations are of the house and their actions in house.  In our lease it specifically said we could not have keg parties and to do so would result in eviction.  Granted my father would routinely drive by house on way to/from work but stilll.... 

My parents also knew every neighbor and the neighbors had parents phone number and I don't doubt the neighbors would call my parents had we gotten out of hand..... not to mention every police officer knew my father as he had had some hand in their hiring. I do not doubt they would have called Dad had we done something,.

As for liability you do have to keep insurance on the property so I would assume that would cover you.

So we walked a very fine line - kept the noses clean and paid the rent on time!  That's about all you can do 1) very defined rules of renting and 2) liability insurance on house.

2009-07-02 7:38 AM
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I was just reading about a new law (bill?) recently that would apply. I can't find the article, so take my memory with a grain of salt. The law was instituted because of loud college parties /  underage drinking near one of the Florida state schools. In addition to any charges filed against the renters, a written warning was given to the homeowner on the first offense, $1000 fine on the second, and $2000 fine on the third.

2009-07-02 7:56 AM
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Well we have already told our daughter that "IF" we decide to do this, there will be rules and they will be followed or her and her friends will be out on the street.    i just wanted to see what we would be legally responsible for in the event something takes place.   we got a couple good neighbors who would definitely call us if things got out of hand or were inappropriate.
2009-07-02 8:23 AM
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Personally, I would make it official meaning have them sign a contract as if you were renting it out to people you don't know. So, it should state something about what is allowed and what is not allowed and hopefully, absolve you from liability. Generally, if you don't know it nor supervise it nor create an environment for it, you should be ok. Make sure you have a high insurance coverage for other things like damage, accidents, etc.

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2009-07-02 8:51 AM
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yep, thats the plan.

do we need to have the contract notarized or anything?


2009-07-02 8:57 AM
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No. Generally, lease type agreements don't need to be notarized to be enforceable. But I guess if you are risk adverse and it will give you some piece of mind, you might as well.
2009-07-02 9:07 AM
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xmann1102 - 2009-07-02 7:56 AM Well we have already told our daughter that "IF" we decide to do this, there will be rules and they will be followed or her and her friends will be out on the street.    i just wanted to see what we would be legally responsible for in the event something takes place.   we got a couple good neighbors who would definitely call us if things got out of hand or were inappropriate.


I'm not a lawyer, but why would you be responsible or liable for something that happened like a party with underagers? Would you be liable if you rented the house to a stranger? I don't know rent laws, but I doubt landlords are legally responsible for their tenants' actions. I'd treat is as if you were renting to a complete stranger.
2009-07-02 9:10 AM
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I would suggest getting everyone who is going to live in the house to sign the lease and be jointly liable for the rent and responsibilities with the house.  I would further make it a requirement that they get their parents to be guarantors of the lease.  They are adults but they are still young and if they have to get their parents to sign off, they will be a little more conscious of their behavior with your property.  I realize it is your daughter and her friends but college kids don't think when it comes to other people's property. 

You might also just double check your mortgage on the property, if there is one, and make sure that if you are not the primary occupant that they don't have the right to call the note due.  And make sure your insurance policy will cover the property now that it is rental property.

2009-07-02 9:15 AM
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xmann1102 - 2009-07-02 8:51 AM yep, thats the plan.

do we need to have the contract notarized or anything?


As someone who is in the business of managing and renting property, I would suggest that you add the parents of your daughter's friends to the lease.

I make it a practice to have parents guarantee the rent and behavior of their college kids when they rent from me.

2009-07-02 9:15 AM
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Keep it arms-length.  Enforce a contract and check with your insurance company about policies that might be more appropriate since you are renting.  Also, consider umbrella coverage.  If someone, not drunk, comes to your home, whether you are renting or living there, and slips and breaks their neck, they will file suit against you and probably the renters as well.  Better to be protected.  If you have a pool it is even more critical as that is considered an attractive nuisance and you cannot avoid liability even with fences, locks, or even a full time lifeguard 24 hours a day.  Not trying to scare the crap out of you, but better to be a business person than a parent in this instance...too much at stake.


2009-07-02 9:18 AM
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lisac957 - 2009-07-02 9:07 AM
xmann1102 - 2009-07-02 7:56 AM Well we have already told our daughter that "IF" we decide to do this, there will be rules and they will be followed or her and her friends will be out on the street.    i just wanted to see what we would be legally responsible for in the event something takes place.   we got a couple good neighbors who would definitely call us if things got out of hand or were inappropriate.


I'm not a lawyer, but why would you be responsible or liable for something that happened like a party with underagers? Would you be liable if you rented the house to a stranger? I don't know rent laws, but I doubt landlords are legally responsible for their tenants' actions. I'd treat is as if you were renting to a complete stranger.


Landlords are absolutely responsible for their tenant's actions. Tenant has a party and tenant's friend at the party gets drunk and hurts themselves at the property. You can be assured the landlord is getting sued.
2009-07-02 9:29 AM
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You should check with an attorney who deals specifically with rental contracts.  In some states, you as the landowner may have some exposure to risk introduced by your tenant's actions.  (i.e. in Illinois, the landlord can lose a house where the tenant deals drugs.  This was enacted a few years ago to bring more accountability for who the landlord is willing to have lease the property.

Beyond that, write up a lease specifying all the terms you can think of.  Duration, rent, utilities, insurance, maintenance, subletting, furnishings, etc. are all pretty standard.  You might also include a restriction on non-renters occupation (i.e. they cannot have a 5th friend camp out in the living room for 3 months) or maximum number of people allowed on-site at any one time (maybe 10-15 people).  You can also include a clause (often pretty standard) that the renter can be held liable for property-owner losses caused by the rentor (so, if your house is confiscated because one of the renters is dealing, you have some legal recourse).  Now since one of the renters is your own daughter, you'd be forced to sue your own daughter to enforce this. 

Get your insurance modified to include business coverage since you're having a legal contract drawn up for the lease. 

2009-07-02 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: Legal issues involved with renting your home
Jackemy - 2009-07-02 9:18 AM
lisac957 - 2009-07-02 9:07 AM
xmann1102 - 2009-07-02 7:56 AM Well we have already told our daughter that "IF" we decide to do this, there will be rules and they will be followed or her and her friends will be out on the street.    i just wanted to see what we would be legally responsible for in the event something takes place.   we got a couple good neighbors who would definitely call us if things got out of hand or were inappropriate.


I'm not a lawyer, but why would you be responsible or liable for something that happened like a party with underagers? Would you be liable if you rented the house to a stranger? I don't know rent laws, but I doubt landlords are legally responsible for their tenants' actions. I'd treat is as if you were renting to a complete stranger.


Landlords are absolutely responsible for their tenant's actions. Tenant has a party and tenant's friend at the party gets drunk and hurts themselves at the property. You can be assured the landlord is getting sued.


Interesting! But makes no sense to me.
So if I rent my house and someone is murdered there, I will be liable to some degree?


2009-07-02 9:52 AM
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You guys are talking about two different legal issues.

lisac957 - 2009-07-02 7:49 AM

Jackemy - 2009-07-02 9:18 AM
lisac957 - 2009-07-02 9:07 AM
xmann1102 - 2009-07-02 7:56 AM Well we have already told our daughter that "IF" we decide to do this, there will be rules and they will be followed or her and her friends will be out on the street. i just wanted to see what we would be legally responsible for in the event something takes place. we got a couple good neighbors who would definitely call us if things got out of hand or were inappropriate.


I'm not a lawyer, but why would you be responsible or liable for something that happened like a party with underagers? Would you be liable if you rented the house to a stranger? I don't know rent laws, but I doubt landlords are legally responsible for their tenants' actions. I'd treat is as if you were renting to a complete stranger.


Landlords are absolutely responsible for their tenant's actions. Tenant has a party and tenant's friend at the party gets drunk and hurts themselves at the property. You can be assured the landlord is getting sued.


Interesting! But makes no sense to me.
So if I rent my house and someone is murdered there, I will be liable to some degree?


2009-07-02 10:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Legal issues involved with renting your home
lisac957 - 2009-07-02 9:49 AM
Jackemy - 2009-07-02 9:18 AM
lisac957 - 2009-07-02 9:07 AM
xmann1102 - 2009-07-02 7:56 AM Well we have already told our daughter that "IF" we decide to do this, there will be rules and they will be followed or her and her friends will be out on the street.    i just wanted to see what we would be legally responsible for in the event something takes place.   we got a couple good neighbors who would definitely call us if things got out of hand or were inappropriate.


I'm not a lawyer, but why would you be responsible or liable for something that happened like a party with underagers? Would you be liable if you rented the house to a stranger? I don't know rent laws, but I doubt landlords are legally responsible for their tenants' actions. I'd treat is as if you were renting to a complete stranger.


Landlords are absolutely responsible for their tenant's actions. Tenant has a party and tenant's friend at the party gets drunk and hurts themselves at the property. You can be assured the landlord is getting sued.


Interesting! But makes no sense to me.
So if I rent my house and someone is murdered there, I will be liable to some degree?




I can assure you that someone wil be looking to you as the landlord to compensate for damages for an event that happend on your property. Whether they win in court or not would depend on a number of factors. Unfortunately I can show you the three lawsuits on my desk that I need to respond to this week for things that occured on property I manage and don't even own (the owner is gettng sued as well). Don't worry, neither of them involved a murder or the death of any individual or the harming of an animal.

Edited by Jackemy 2009-07-02 10:11 AM


2009-07-02 10:26 AM
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Don't forget, as far as I know, some traditional mortgage loans do not apply if it's a rental property. Although you can usually get away with it since you lived in the house as a primary, it might be technically a breech of contract. Something to check into.
2009-07-02 10:33 AM
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Whether the owner can be liable will depend on whether the accident (slip) or crime is foreseeable. In this regards, the two concepts are similar. So, if there was an existing crack that the owner knew about but didn't fix that causes the slip or whether he knows of underage drinking but doesn't do anything about it, then he is liable.

What I think makes it different is that home owner's insurance usually covers accidents but not intentional actions. You should look at the fine print in the policy but when it states something like covering for bodily injury, the policy is not referring to a plane crashing into the house and causing bodily injury but rather, if there was an accident of a slip or fall.
2009-07-02 10:55 AM
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Also remember, even if you know the people at the residence...if they do not have health insurance and get severely injured, they would be more likely to file suit simply because they don't have the means to pay for their injuries. 

 

2009-07-02 11:29 AM
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thanks for all the responses and advice.

we are going to call our insurance company and ask about additional coverage we might consider.   gonna carefully contruct a rental agreement as well.

thanks again.
2009-07-02 12:26 PM
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when you get involved in a business deal w friend or family, and this is a business deal, the closer you are to the other party, it becomes exponentially more important to get everything in writing. Your daughter (or you) might misinterprate something you tell her and vice/versa,  but if something is in writing, it's a lot easier to discuss after the fact.

I like the idea of putting the parent's on the lease too-I've done that. If the kid or his parents balk, you've just found out ahead of time you might have a problem. If the parents tell you they don't want to be responsible for their "adult" kid's rent, tell them you don't either either.



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