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 2009-08-27 6:19 PM |
Extreme Veteran  451   Stoughton, WI |  Subject: The swimWent to the pool for the first time since the aborted swim at Silver Lake. did 400 yards without touching bottom or ends to make sure I wasn't subconciously taking breaks between laps. It took me about 15 minutes (hey, I'm still a slow swimmer, ok? |
). Lots of swimming on back to catch breath, even though I thought I was taking it easy. At the lake, I just kept breathing hard and not catching my breath, even when clinging to a kayak. | 2009-08-27 6:44 PM in reply to: #2375193 |
Pro 4089 Without house | Subject: RE: The swim OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. |
| 2009-08-27 6:50 PM in reply to: #2375193 |
Extreme Veteran 722 Madison-ish, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim So I've only done two tris so I'm no expert but I'll say this. First and foremost I nearly tapped out my first swim. I panic'ed and it was only the fact that at the point someone swam over my head it was closer to just finish than to stop swimming. But the entire time I swam my inner demon was screaming at me. BunnyT, I think that is his handle, described it perfectly. In the pool or even an OWS you are fine but when you start racing your internal voice freaks out and it affects you. My entire theory for my second tri was this. Start at the back of the mob of people for my wave. Just swim a single stroke at a time and don't go to fast and most importantly don't panic. When you panic it will affect your breathing. Or at least it does me and I think it does BunnyT. You can do this. You've trained to do this. Take it one stroke at a time and don't worry about anyone else. |
| 2009-08-28 6:23 AM in reply to: #2375193 |
Master 2099 Madison, WI | Subject: RE: The swim Okay, so I don't mean to be harsh, but I just took a look at your logs. Unless you're not logging stuff (which is possible, since I don't see yesterday's swim logged), you really can't expect to be ready for an open water swim with a grand total of 5 hours of swimming all year. Swimming is not something most people can do without a lot of practice. Sooooo, I strongly recommend that you either hook up with us Thursday night swimmers or join one of the many for-pay open water swim groups, and spend copious amounts of time doing open water swims. If you have real panic problems, you'll probably get your money's worth out of something like the Swim Fast program. http://www.swimfastmadison.com/programs/openwater2009.pdf It's probably a little late in the season now, but next summer, sign up for a month. You can get 8 OWS sessions for 90 bucks. I think SBR also does some - but some of their workouts are out in Verona, and I think you live more to the east than that... You'll conquer your swim demons, but it's going to take work. |
| 2009-08-28 7:16 AM in reply to: #2375214 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** |
| 2009-08-28 8:23 AM in reply to: #2375702 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim DeannaS - 2009-08-28 6:23 AM Okay, so I don't mean to be harsh, but I just took a look at your logs. Unless you're not logging stuff (which is possible, since I don't see yesterday's swim logged), you really can't expect to be ready for an open water swim with a grand total of 5 hours of swimming all year. Swimming is not something most people can do without a lot of practice.... You're telling me. |
| 2009-08-28 8:24 AM in reply to: #2375770 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim djdavey - 2009-08-28 7:16 AM maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** Davey learned the hard way and thought he was Aquaman. |
| 2009-08-28 8:34 AM in reply to: #2375903 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:24 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 7:16 AM maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** Davey learned the hard way and thought he was Aquaman. dambit fillup, i asked you not to tell anyone!!! gee'Z
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| 2009-08-28 8:45 AM in reply to: #2375931 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim djdavey - 2009-08-28 8:34 AM 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:24 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 7:16 AM maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** Davey learned the hard way and thought he was Aquaman. dambit fillup, i asked you not to tell anyone!!! gee'Z
I didn't understand what you were saying under the water - all I heard was glub, glub, bubble glub. |
| 2009-08-28 9:12 AM in reply to: #2375956 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:45 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 8:34 AM 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:24 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 7:16 AM maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** Davey learned the hard way and thought he was Aquaman. dambit fillup, i asked you not to tell anyone!!! gee'Z
I didn't understand what you were saying under the water - all I heard was glub, glub, bubble glub. well to make sure tho, you did understand me flippin you off tho right?!?!?! |
| 2009-08-28 11:04 AM in reply to: #2375702 |
Extreme Veteran 451 Stoughton, WI | Subject: RE: The swim I have to admit I have not been logging my training lately, although I have kept it up. DeannaS - 2009-08-28 6:23 AM Okay, so I don't mean to be harsh, but I just took a look at your logs. Unless you're not logging stuff (which is possible, since I don't see yesterday's swim logged), you really can't expect to be ready for an open water swim with a grand total of 5 hours of swimming all year. Swimming is not something most people can do without a lot of practice
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| 2009-08-28 11:11 AM in reply to: #2376046 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim djdavey - 2009-08-28 9:12 AM 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:45 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 8:34 AM 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:24 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 7:16 AM maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** Davey learned the hard way and thought he was Aquaman. dambit fillup, i asked you not to tell anyone!!! gee'Z
I didn't understand what you were saying under the water - all I heard was glub, glub, bubble glub. well to make sure tho, you did understand me flippin you off tho right?!?!?! In came through in mono since you were holding your nose cuz you forgot the nose-plugs, but I responded in stereo. I was looking for some assistance to perhaps enhance it in stereo surround 7.1. |
| 2009-08-28 11:19 AM in reply to: #2376390 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 11:11 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 9:12 AM 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:45 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 8:34 AM 1stTimeTri - 2009-08-28 8:24 AM djdavey - 2009-08-28 7:16 AM maggyruth - 2009-08-27 6:44 PM OWS (as you've learned) is really different from pool swimming. Your reaction was on the extreme side of normal. The only way to overcome it (and a lot of people never fully overcome it) is to do a lot of open water swimming. Add the adrenaline in the air at a race, and it just sometimes is not a good mix. My tip is this...deep breathing exercises. Like, in the nose, out the mouth pilates type stuff. I tend to zone out right before the start of a swim...I concentrate on my breathing, and that's it (well, and paying attention to when they start my wave). If, for some reason, I start to panic during the swim (hasn't happened yet, but you never know), I have every intention of pausing to regroup. Good luck. You can overcome this. **just make sure you dont have your face in the water when trying this technique!!!** Davey learned the hard way and thought he was Aquaman. dambit fillup, i asked you not to tell anyone!!! gee'Z
I didn't understand what you were saying under the water - all I heard was glub, glub, bubble glub. well to make sure tho, you did understand me flippin you off tho right?!?!?! In came through in mono since you were holding your nose cuz you forgot the nose-plugs, but I responded in stereo. I was looking for some assistance to perhaps enhance it in stereo surround 7.1. stop confusing amyjo! |
| 2009-08-28 1:57 PM in reply to: #2375193 |
Expert 932 Madison | Subject: RE: The swim Back to the topic boys...... I did 3 sprint tri's last year and although I was able to go the distance in the pool fairly well (albeit slow!) once I hit the open water and race day, it was a whole new animal. I made it through each of them but barely did any free style swimming and ended up doing the float on back and kick stroke! I did do a couple OWS's but not enough. Just keep getting out there and I agree with the breathing technique (out of the water!). I am definitely working on it and really need to join the Thursday night group.... |
| 2009-08-28 2:59 PM in reply to: #2376851 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim gofishtlp - 2009-08-28 1:57 PM Back to the topic boys...... I did 3 sprint tri's last year and although I was able to go the distance in the pool fairly well (albeit slow!) once I hit the open water and race day, it was a whole new animal. I made it through each of them but barely did any free style swimming and ended up doing the float on back and kick stroke! I did do a couple OWS's but not enough. Just keep getting out there and I agree with the breathing technique (out of the water!). I am definitely working on it and really need to join the Thursday night group.... what a fantastic movie that was!!!! awesome job scooby!!! |
| 2009-08-28 3:38 PM in reply to: #2375193 |
Expert 640 Sun Prairie, WI | Subject: RE: The swim During my first Tri this year, Lake Mills, I really struggled during the swim. I had been swimming 1- 2 x per week, in a pool, anywhere from 1500-3000 yards. My problem was a lack of OWS experience, first Tri race nerves, going out way to fast, lack of warm up to name a few. I was 100 yards into the swim, HR was pegged, and i was really struggling with breathing, all while thinking what the hell did I get myself into. I settled down and finished fine, but it would have been easy to call it a day. I was scheduled for an Olympic the next week at Capitol View. I needed to get some OWS time to calm the nerves prior to the race. I met up with the Thursday night group at Lake Wingra and didn't have any issues swiming 1600 meters. The difference was no race day nerves, set my own pace, didn't peg the HR and basically was able to relax. This made all the difference and I have not had any issues with an OWS since. As the others have suggested, get some OWS time to get used to the environment. Once you have a few more OWS' under your belt you will be good to go. Greg |
| 2009-08-28 3:58 PM in reply to: #2375193 |
| Veteran 585 Kenosha, WI | Subject: RE: The swim OWS-ing is super important. However even with practice and confidence with that its hard to re-create jumping in the water with 50-100 ppl. The stopping, starting, and navigating around people resting or switching to back or breast stroke is the hardest thing for me... Just adds stress... Just gotta deal with it I guess. |
| 2009-08-28 9:19 PM in reply to: #2375702 |
Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: The swim DeannaS - 2009-08-28 6:23 AM Okay, so I don't mean to be harsh, but I just took a look at your logs. Unless you're not logging stuff (which is possible, since I don't see yesterday's swim logged), you really can't expect to be ready for an open water swim with a grand total of 5 hours of swimming all year. Swimming is not something most people can do without a lot of practice. Sooooo, I strongly recommend that you either hook up with us Thursday night swimmers or join one of the many for-pay open water swim groups, and spend copious amounts of time doing open water swims. If you have real panic problems, you'll probably get your money's worth out of something like the Swim Fast program. http://www.swimfastmadison.com/programs/openwater2009.pdf It's probably a little late in the season now, but next summer, sign up for a month. You can get 8 OWS sessions for 90 bucks. I think SBR also does some - but some of their workouts are out in Verona, and I think you live more to the east than that... You'll conquer your swim demons, but it's going to take work. I had a lot of issues with OWS last year. One of the things I do everytime I get in the OW is burp my wetsuit to get used to the temperature, dunk and then float on my back to relax. Probably sounds crazy to some, but it helps me settle down. I also swim in the shallow area for a few minutes before heading out with my class to the middle of the lake. I take OWS classes with Mark Peterson from Swimfast. This is the tail end of our sessions, but he will do privates if that is of interest to you.We are still swimming at Wingra, although he has moved his IMs to Law Park a couple days a week. I have also swam privates with Jessica Laufenberg (SBR coaching) and she is great. Her classes have moved to Law Park as well, but there are all levels in the classes. If you want contact info on either PM me. It does get easier the more you do it. I swim OW at least two to three times a week. I am totally new to this sport so I feel like the more I do it, the more comfortable I become. Suzy |
| 2009-08-28 9:59 PM in reply to: #2375193 |
Extreme Veteran 451 Stoughton, WI | Subject: RE: The swim Just want to say that Deanna is right in that I need more training swim time. I don't have a lot of tri oriented swimming under my belt, just general swimming. In other words, I don't have the endurance. Being a night shift worker, it makes it hard to get to most normal group sessions or classes that take place in evenings. I even work a 2nd job on weekends most of the time. |
| 2009-08-29 7:51 AM in reply to: #2377587 |
Veteran 458 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: The swim rcav8r - 2009-08-28 9:59 PM Being a night shift worker, it makes it hard to get to most normal group sessions or classes that take place in evenings. I even work a 2nd job on weekends most of the time. I had/have two of the same problems. My first tri OWS was abysmal and I couldn't believe it was happening at the time. I felt like I couldn't swim at all....like I couldn't remember a stroke. I would have DNF'd if it hadn't been shallow. I had always been comfortable in the water so I was stunned by my own level of panic. Anyway, I too work overnights, weekends, and generally long hours, so I haven't been able to attend a single group work-out this summer. The work schedule stuff is a huge bummer and a barrier to training sometimes. I'm planning for some individual coaching on my days off next season if finances permit. I think it's the only way to improve (that and employing my dear husband in his canoe). Good luck. It sounds as though people like us CAN get past this! |
| 2009-08-31 2:08 PM in reply to: #2377587 |
Master 2099 Madison, WI | Subject: RE: The swim rcav8r - 2009-08-28 9:59 PM Being a night shift worker, it makes it hard to get to most normal group sessions or classes that take place in evenings. I even work a 2nd job on weekends most of the time. If you post what works for you, more than likely someone can make it. Anna and I do crazy early morning stuff mostly. But, we also do some random evening and early afternoon stuff. |
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