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 2005-11-02 9:48 AM |
Master  4101   Denver |  Subject: More celebrities and Global warmingCelebrities - Is there anything they can't do? "Global Warming: The Signs and The Science," a one-hour documentary exploring what is arguably the most significant environmental phenomenon of the last 10,000 years, is scheduled to air nationally on PBS stations Wednesday, November 2, at 8:00 pm (check local listings). International recording artist Alanis Morissette hosts and narrates this cautionary and empowering look at the forces of climate change. It looks at evidence that human activities are provoking an unprecedented era of atmospheric warming and climatic events : more drought, wildfires and flooding, polar melting, more powerful storms and more variable weather. Tropical diseases are moving north, childhood respiratory illnesses are skyrocketing, and in the last three decades more than 30 diseases new to science have emerged. "Global Warming: The Signs and the Science" takes viewers across America to meet people from every walk of life: Nebraska farmers, Colorado cattle ranchers, small-town doctors, Louisiana oilmen, Maryland school kids, New Hampshire townsfolk, Detroit inner-city teenagers, New York City bike couriers, and Florida policemen. Their words and stories uncover both the reality of climate change and their responses to its various manifestations. Also featured are widely respected and world-renowned scientists working on the leading edge of climate science. Their latest findings are unsettling and indisputable -- as it becomes increasingly clear that global warming is much more than just the heat. |
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Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming |
| 2005-11-02 9:14 PM in reply to: #276416 |
Extreme Veteran 341 Niagara Falls, Ont | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming Sorry to burst your bubble................ this just in......global warming doesn't exist. Bring it. |
| 2005-11-02 9:31 PM in reply to: #276945 |
Elite 2421 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming kausnfxx - 2005-11-02 8:14 PM Sorry to burst your bubble................ this just in......global warming doesn't exist. Bring it. I am so telling Alanis on you and she is like gonna totally cram a jagged little pill down your throat. bts |
| 2005-11-03 6:32 AM in reply to: #276945 |
Giver 18427  | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming kausnfxx - 2005-11-02 9:14 PM ...global warming doesn't exist... You can't say that. Well, I gues you can, cause you did, but you can't say it with authority. The evidence is mixed, but the bottom line is 100 years of data is nothing on a geologic scale. BUt that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But whether it does or does not exist, the things that are talked about to alleviate GW are just good common sense and shouldn't be discounted just because you might feel that GW isn't a problem. Stewardship of the planet is a good thing, no matter how you slice it. |
| 2005-11-03 9:38 AM in reply to: #276416 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming Actually it does exist. Average temp has risen 1 degree over the last 100 years and even more at the poles. They may not be direct measurements past 100 years ago but scientists are actually pretty smart and have good ways of extrapolating what it used to be like. Sure there are scientists who think its all part of a natural cycle, but if it isn't its a pretty risky experiment we're undertaking to pump out all these greenhouse gasses and see what happens. It'll be like a cat 5 hurricane on your wedding day. |
| 2005-11-03 10:34 AM in reply to: #276416 |
Expert 893 Livermore, Ca | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming It's weather it changes. But if you look at the standard of living and how much it has increased in the last century you'll realize that if humans were the main cause of warming then the temperature should have increased a whole lot more than 1 degree C. |
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Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming With no data to back up my opinion other than the knowledge that the earth has been swinging on a warm/cold pendulum for billions of years, I have to say I'm a little dubious of global warming as caused by mankind as well. |
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Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming Do you have any idea how much energy it takes to raise the mass of the earth 1 degree C? The mass of the earth is 5.9742 x 1024 kg. It takes 1 calorie to raise one gram one degree C, so it takes 5.9742 x 1027 calories. That's 2.369 x 1025 BTUs. Don't think 1 degree isn't significant. nbo10 - 2005-11-03 10:34 AMIt's weather it changes. But if you look at the standard of living and how much it has increased in the last century you'll realize that if humans were the main cause of warming then the temperature should have increased a whole lot more than 1 degree C. |
| 2005-11-03 10:48 AM in reply to: #277224 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming That's my point, but the sad thing is people (you know who you are) say that since GW doesn't exist, we don't need to do the things we need to be good stewards of the place we live. I personally don't care really whether GW is a real phenomenon. BUt that doesn't mean we don't have a responsibility to not f*&k the place up. tmwelshy - 2005-11-03 10:44 AM With no data to back up my opinion other than the knowledge that the earth has been swinging on a warm/cold pendulum for billions of years, I have to say I'm a little dubious of global warming as caused by mankind as well. |
| 2005-11-03 11:11 AM in reply to: #276416 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming I agree with Jim (what a shock). Even if there is no such thing as global warming it doesn't mean we should be f***king up the environment. Although I do believe it is warming. This year is on track to be the hottest since we have been measuring temp (1860's or so) with 1998, 2002,2003,2004 right behind it). From what I understand alot of global warming is driven by ocean temps. Water can store an enormous amount of energy but takes a while to build it up, the same reason the air temp might be 90 in June, but you still need a wetsuit for the swim (unless you are Welshy). The atmosphere in general also lags behind which is why we get the most amount of sunlight in June, but the hottest temps in July & Aug. Yes, weather does vary alot and there are natural cycles occuring, but global warming will enhance those cycles. It won't bring 100 degree days in January, there will still be cold snaps, but it is already getting warmer earlier in the spring and later in the fall. Hot spells in the summer are lasting longer (wasn't there something like 30 days straight of over 100 degrees in Texas?) and ocean temps are rising. We are seeign some big changes already with just one degree rise in temp. I think we are in store for some unpleasantness. |
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Veteran 251 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming I agree with all this, but the question is if we know whether it's been caused by mans's pollution in the last 100 years (a tiny, tiny spec within the big picture) or whether this is a natural phenomenon? I don't have that answer. drewb8 - 2005-11-03 12:11 PM I agree with Jim (what a shock). Even if there is no such thing as global warming it doesn't mean we should be f***king up the environment. Although I do believe it is warming. This year is on track to be the hottest since we have been measuring temp (1860's or so) with 1998, 2002,2003,2004 right behind it). From what I understand alot of global warming is driven by ocean temps. Water can store an enormous amount of energy but takes a while to build it up, the same reason the air temp might be 90 in June, but you still need a wetsuit for the swim (unless you are Welshy). The atmosphere in general also lags behind which is why we get the most amount of sunlight in June, but the hottest temps in July & Aug. Yes, weather does vary alot and there are natural cycles occuring, but global warming will enhance those cycles. It won't bring 100 degree days in January, there will still be cold snaps, but it is already getting warmer earlier in the spring and later in the fall. Hot spells in the summer are lasting longer (wasn't there something like 30 days straight of over 100 degrees in Texas?) and ocean temps are rising. We are seeign some big changes already with just one degree rise in temp. I think we are in store for some unpleasantness. |
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Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming Well I would dispute whether mans contribution is just a tiny speck. Yes, there have been natural fluctuation in the past, but we have seen pretty enormous increases in the amount of greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere in the last 150 and especially 50 or so years. If it is a natural fluctuation it seems to me to be an amazing coincidence that its happening at the same time as we are adding all these gases. Sure adding all these pollutants may not cause any changes, but thats an awful big risk, don't you think? You could pull someone out of the stands to pitch in the 9th inning of the world series with the bases loaded and maybe everything will work out, but why risk it when you have a closer warmed up in the bullpen? Edited by drewb8 2005-11-03 11:37 AM |
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Veteran 251 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming point taken, and agreed. |
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Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming run4yrlif - 2005-11-03 9:48 AM That's my point, but the sad thing is people (you know who you are) say that since GW doesn't exist, we don't need to do the things we need to be good stewards of the place we live. I personally don't care really whether GW is a real phenomenon. BUt that doesn't mean we don't have a responsibility to not f*&k the place up. tmwelshy - 2005-11-03 10:44 AM With no data to back up my opinion other than the knowledge that the earth has been swinging on a warm/cold pendulum for billions of years, I have to say I'm a little dubious of global warming as caused by mankind as well. I'm certainly not saying to trash the place - I like to see nice trees, bubbling streams and healthy wildlife and do not want to see these things damaged, don't litter and recycle. I was simply speaking of the causal relationship man has with the weather. |
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Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming I thikn there is alot of confusion between "weather" and "climate". Weather is the atmospheric state (temp, pressure, precip, etc.) at a given time, while climate is is the weather averaged over a longer period of time. This year there were a record number of tornados in the US. Is this because of of mans influence or justa bad year? I don't think you can argue one way or the other. But as far as the climate changing due to mans influence the scientific community says "yes, the changes we are seeing and the increase of greenhouse gasses are due to man." When even President Bush says so you know its true. Oh wait... |
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Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming Yeah I sort of figured, I was just building on your point. I like to do that. tmwelshy - 2005-11-03 12:04 PM run4yrlif - 2005-11-03 9:48 AM That's my point, but the sad thing is people (you know who you are) say that since GW doesn't exist, we don't need to do the things we need to be good stewards of the place we live. I personally don't care really whether GW is a real phenomenon. BUt that doesn't mean we don't have a responsibility to not f*&k the place up. tmwelshy - 2005-11-03 10:44 AM With no data to back up my opinion other than the knowledge that the earth has been swinging on a warm/cold pendulum for billions of years, I have to say I'm a little dubious of global warming as caused by mankind as well. I'm certainly not saying to trash the place - I like to see nice trees, bubbling streams and healthy wildlife and do not want to see these things damaged, don't litter and recycle. I was simply speaking of the causal relationship man has with the weather. |
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| Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming They'd say "GW sucks, man. And, uh, go see my movie." courtney_leone - 2005-11-03 12:18 PM But what would Leo and Oprah say about all this? |
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| Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming You mean "Loprah"? |
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| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming I tend to think that there is GW and that we are contributing to it. But that is just an opinion. I'd love to carefully go through the evidence from both sides. Wasn't there a report a few months back abut the ice caps on Mars melting? Wonder if the POTUS had anything to do with that?  |
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| Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: More celebrities and Global warming http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/Climate.html A pretty fair take on it from the EPA I think. "It's happening and we're causing it, but there is some uncertainty what the effects will be at the local scale". While we are already seeing changes now, I kind of think of it as an environmental deficit. We can spend all we want now, but sooner or later it will come due, and it will probably be our kids and their kids who have to pay it. Edited by drewb8 2005-11-03 1:22 PM |
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