Hobby Lobby claiming religious freedom and the ACA

I've always felt that when it comes to abortion and contraception for women we'd probably all be better served if men stayed out of it. 

hear hear.

In my religion we don't want to provide health care of sinners, so no coverage for drinkers, or smokers, or people who have sex, or people who exercise on sundays, or people who are fat and gluttonous, or people who covet their neighbor's wives, or people who lie, or people who steal, or people who don't put on their left shoe, put on their right shoe, tie their right shoe, and tie their left shoe. in that order.

my what cheap health care I have.

This is where the ACA is a joke and doesn't work.  

1.  If the government wants everyone to have healthcare, then they should provide healthcare to all (via taxes, single payer system).

2.  If the government wants private companies to provide healthcare, then they can not mandate what the private company should cover.

3.  If a person works for a company that doesn't cover something that you fundamentally feel should be covered, then either you can 1.  Suck it up. 2. Get a different job or 3.  Go get your own insurance coverage for that thing.

Just my opinion...

not everyone can afford options 2 or 3

Hobby Lobby has always given me the creeps.

Vindication!

it isn't free chit, its covered in a healthcare system that is paid into.

also the corporations are people to thing is chit.

And why is that my responsibility. I can't afford a lot of the stuff I want.

It is provided at NO COST to the consumer.... that's free.

your last sentence didn't make sense. 

i guess it depends on your definition of want and need.  chemotherapy?  kind of a need.  viagra?  a want.  where does birth control fall?  i think for some people it really is a need, and some it's just a want.

Orrrrrr.... what your definition of personal responsibility is.....

I don't think I agree with corporations having individual rights either....... maybe men should stay out of that too. 

because as a nation we have decided that we value taking care of the sick more than we value the rich having more money, or so I had thought until recently.

like LB said - maybe men should stick out of it.  hormonal birth control is prescribed for MANY MANY reasons besides "sluttiness" which is insulting to every woman out there that has ever taken a pill.

this.  Also, if you want to talk about a pill for sluttiness, Viagra much?

Oh so now contraceptives are for "sick" people. Ya, OK. 

And we never decided as a country to take care of sick people. doctors did. We decided to take care of elderly and disabled so far... well, and indigent too. But nobody decided that "we" were going to take care of sick people. 

And when I get sick, I take care of myself. you have not done a single thing for me. If you would like to take care of my max out of pocket last year, I will be happy to give you an address you can send the check to. 

if you make claims against your health insurance, dmiller having health insurance IS doing something for you.  he spreads the risk and cash flow around, as does everyone else.

as for your comments about hormonal BC being for sick people - until you have had fibroids or dysmenorrhea - you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

my sister was put on it for a ovarian cyst, that seems medical

My problem is with having a general rule that government may require us to act as it dictates and liberty, religious in this case, is at best an exception to that rule.

As an individual, I no longer have the freedom to contract for my own health coverage.  The coverage in my policy is dictated by the Federal government and if I want a policy that does not qualify under the ACA, then I have to pay a penalty.  If my objection is because of my religious view, I will in essence pay a religious liberty tax.