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 2005-10-05 9:13 AM |
Wife, Mother, Friend.  2457    South |  Subject: does WalMart Censor?okay, going back to my sig file. My 12 year old son has been bugging me for the Green Day "American Idiot" CD. I went and read some of the lyrics, some of the songs have the F-bomb in them but only a few times. still.... Someone PM'ed me that if I get it from Walmart, it will be edited out somewhat. He wants it mainly for the "Wake Me Up When Septemeber Ends" song. He's been asking for months and I keep trying to weasel my way out of it. "You just don't want me to have it", he says. Maybe I could take a crash course in downloading music and make a CD with what I know he likes. He found some of dad's old CD's and has been listening to Journey a lot. He does NOT want an iPod. ??? It's really hard for me to control what they listen to, other than banning certain radio stations in the car. It don't help any that their dad likes Green Day too. |
| 2005-10-05 9:19 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Pro 3906  St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Buy the single of that song. Yes, they still make singles/EP's. For music online, I suggest iTunes. It works on PC or Mac. It's easy. http://www.apple.com/itunes/ And you can even add an 'allowance' thing to let him get his own music. If a song has explicit lyrics, it shows up in the playlist with a red [explicit] next to the song title, so you could fairly easily review what he's downloaded. There are parental controls as well, though I've not used them. You can add cd's to your local iTunes by 'ripping' them. You can make new compilation cd's by 'burning' them. iTunes makes both really easy, just point and click. Also, when he does purchase something, it will send an email to the 'account holder' ( which you setup to be your email, not his ) with what was purchased. -C |
| 2005-10-05 9:30 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? I have an 11-year-old son and buy edited versions of CDs at Wal Mart. It works okay. They have a sticker on the outside stating that it has been edited. I applaud you for paying attention to the lyrics. A few years ago, it was unsettling to hear my sweet child singing along to Nelly on the radio saying, "It's gettin' hot in here. Let's take off all our clothes". Yikes! (change the station NOW!) I try to pay attention to what they listen to, but it's hard to filter it all out---especially when it's all over the airwaves. In my opinion, as long as they know where you stand on moral issues, then it makes it easier for them to filter some of the CRAP on the radio. |
| 2005-10-05 9:40 AM in reply to: #259747 |
| Extreme Veteran 573 IL | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? When I was 12 years old I had a few CD's with explicit lyrics, the Guns n Roses Use Your Illusion albums comes to mind immediately (lol). Somehow I managed to grow into adulthood without doing drugs, killing anybody, or stealing. My point is he's heard dirty words before, he's going to hear a lot more of them and the Green Day album probably isn't going to have anything new. In my own personal opinion (and I'm speaking in general, not pointing any fingers anywhere) if people spent half the time being good parents and doing things with their kids as they spent bitching about movies/music/tv shows/video games with bad words and/or violence, the world would be a lot less messed up. I say go ahead and get it for him. I think the album kind of sucks (coming from a Guns n Roses fan, lol) but I really do like that one song When September Ends. |
| 2005-10-05 10:04 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Pro 4189 Pittsburgh, my heart is in Glasgow | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Yes, horrifically. The S.O. and I know/ are aquainted a band who is pretty popular (in a similar vein to Green Day, but think less pop) who put out an album in 2003/2004. The cover art of the CD SHOULD look like this:  . Walmart refused to cell this CD with that cover. Furthermore, they said that if the lable didn't change the cover, they would refuse to sell any other artist from their catalog. While the first band probably would have been OK without selling their records at Walmart, they couldn't let other bands suffer for that. So they put out an all black cover with the title in white. What Walmart didn't know or didn't see was that the inside jacket said "You have been censored. To see the real cover art that Walmart didn't want you to see go to (hyperlink)". I refuse to shop at Walmart due to their labor practices and treatment of women. I won't do it. Refuse to. I'd rather have bamboo shoots put under my nails. |
| 2005-10-05 10:16 AM in reply to: #259787 |
Expert 666 St. Thomas, ON | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? "You just don't want me to have it", he says. What's wrong with saying "you're right. I don't"? No way I would buy music for my 12-year-old that contains explicit language. Sorry. I recognize that they'll hear and do things that I don't want them too, but there's NO way I will compromise. If there's a song on the CD that kiddo likes, and doesn't contain explicit language (or a theme I don't care to encourage), I'll buy the single via iTunes, etc. I don't care if Walmart censors. I censor. Besides, my kids don't get everything they want, never have, so it doesn't surprise them much when I say 'no'. Edited by Rennick 2005-10-05 10:17 AM |
| 2005-10-05 10:31 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Pro 4189 Pittsburgh, my heart is in Glasgow | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? and Yes, you should buy him the CD...just not from Walmart. If you're buying the edited version, buy it from somewhere else, just not Walmart. Honestly, he could be listening to worse. |
| 2005-10-05 10:43 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Wife, Mother, Friend. 2457 South | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? wow. Lots of feedback here and I appreciate all the different views. I'll talk it over with hubby. Right now I think it's "lets make a deal" time since report card time is coming up. I like the iTunes idea. I think we'll give him a choice of the iTunes CD burning or just buying the CD from Best Buy. I really wasn't looking at the Big Picture- everyone is exposed to profanity everyday, intentional or not. It's everywhere. I'm sorta biased for WalMart- my mom works there and they've been good to her through the hurricane Katerina and all. That's all I'm sayin'. |
| 2005-10-05 10:51 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? phoenixazul, I can tell that you are an idealistic college student and not a mom.  (And I don't mean to sound condecending. Please don't misunderstand!) Some day, you will be comparing prices and buying Hanes underwear and school supplies at Wal Mart and yelling at your child, "How can you listen to that stuff?" I know, I know. I swore it would never happen to me, too! |
| 2005-10-05 10:59 AM in reply to: #259848 |
Pro 4189 Pittsburgh, my heart is in Glasgow | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Bettylou - 2005-10-05 11:51 AM phoenixazul, I can tell that you are an idealistic college student and not a mom. (And I don't mean to sound condecending. Please don't misunderstand!) Some day, you will be comparing prices and buying Hanes underwear and school supplies at Wal Mart and yelling at your child, "How can you listen to that stuff?" I know, I know. I swore it would never happen to me, too! my father would have my head on a pike!! Been raised by a VERY pro-union family..one of my earliest childhood memories of my father is bringing doughnuts to a picketline. I was that child that got yelled at for the "Garbage music"...but I still don't swear around my parents. When I started to buy music on my own, mom sat me down and said, "Look, you're old enough to save your money and spend your money, but the rules around here haven't changed. Swearing doesn't fly in this house, and that CD can easily find its way into the microwave." It might actually be a good test of responsibility. And trust me, after 5 years of lifeguarding...I'm in no hurry to have kids. |
| 2005-10-05 11:21 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Veteran 249 Northeast | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Interesting thread. First off, I am not a mother, but I did have one ;-) When I was 12 I started requesting my mother buy me CD's, and I remember the first time I asked for one with the "parental advisory" sticker on it. This was met with some resistance, but not a "no". My mother said: "I don't like this music, and I don't like the way this band behaves (on stage), but artists are free to express themselves as they like." She then continued by saying: "I know you're going to hear this anyways, either on late night MTV (yes, back then, they would air un-edited songs and videos after 11pm) or from your friends, as I'd rather know what you're listening to and where you're getting things from and be able to talk openly about the lyrics and the behavior then to be in the dark." So my mom would buy me "the hard stuff" and she'd even listen to it with me from time to time, like if we were driving around on the weekends together or what not. She certainly didn't like much of it, and would tell me why specifically, but she still didn't keep me from it, she just warned me of the inappropriateness of it. But to this day, I feel it was the things that she did for me like that made us extremely close, and over time, I never even thought to keep anything from her because of how open and accepting she was of my interests and concerns during my adolescence. Now - given that, let me ask you this: considering the material on the front pages of the papers and on the headline news every day... Given this era's entertainment (look at the shows that are on at 8:00 every night of the week - non cable channels showing CSI, NCIS, Law & Order, etc.) and at the violence and deranged acts showed with explicit details during prime-time. Given the internet (!!!), is the Green Day album really that much worse? Maybe it is - I don't know because I don't listen to Green Day ;-) But I've listened to some pretty tough stuff over the years (growing up) and it was never anything worse then what I'd hear from my friends at school. Honestly. |
| 2005-10-05 11:35 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Yikes! Very interesting thread. My kids have Green Day, they have Eminem, blah, blah, blah. Strangely, even though they listen to this music, somehow they are both honor roll students, stand out athletes, have good relationships with teachers, have never been suspended, had detention, etc. I do not allow my kids to curse at home. Do they at school? Hope not, but can any of us say for sure? A well educated, well informed child from a good family life is more than capable of seperating right from wrong. If a child would be so easily inluenced by an ocasional "F@CK" or "Lets take all our clothes" I think the kid has some other issues. My kids have never once stripped naked cause it was hot. Yes I understand the sexual induendo in that song but does an 8 year old really understand that reference? At 11 and 12 maybe, but by that time they should be educated enough to seperate reality from art. I eat dinner (sit down at home) with my family almost every single night of the week. We talk about the day and enjoy each others company. Kids should get there moral values, from parents, not from music. If our kids are forming their values based on music we have failed as parents to give that to them. I certainly understand everyone has a right to censor their children however they see fit but I honestly dont think it turns anyone in to a better person later in life. If the worst thing my kids ask for is Green Day (2 "f bombs" on the whole album) I should be so lucky. |
| 2005-10-05 11:48 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? jvincigu, Sounds like you have a wonderful mom---the kind that I strive to be. My mom was one of those overly strict, "everything is sin" kind of moms. Consequently, I rarely had a "real" conversation with her, and I learned to be sneaky in my teens (our relationship improved after I became an adult). My boys are 18, 16 and 11. I have tried to be open-minded enough that they feel comfortable talking to me and asking questions, but I also realize that I can't be their "friend"---I have to be "the mom" and set the standards and enforce the rules. I constantly struggle to find the right balance. And sometimes I mess up. But so far, so good. And time will tell. It would be my dream to someday have one of my boys write a nice post about me like you just wrote about your mom. Michele |
| 2005-10-05 11:48 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Not only does Walmart sell the edited CD, but www.walmart.com sells edited versions of the songs. You really should get familiar with music downloads, it's a lot cheaper to download the song he likes for $0.95 than to pay $15+ for an album to get the one song. |
| 2005-10-05 11:57 AM in reply to: #259747 |
| Veteran 407 Dallas, Texas | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Yes, WalMart (the bastion of all that is evil) sells edited/altered/censored CDs. My thought (as a 27 year old male with no children) is that either the music is "kid safe" or it's not. The types of music that use profanity are likely to be unsuitable for children even when the profanity is edited out. It's not as though Green Day becomes Simon & Garfunkle once you edit out the profanity. I love Green Day, but I can't imagine buying it for a child with or without the profanity. Bill |
| 2005-10-05 11:59 AM in reply to: #259747 |
Master 1249 Lexington, Kentucky | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? FWIW, Kidzbop sells sanitized renditions of popular hits. |
| 2005-10-05 12:13 PM in reply to: #259747 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Christine, that's a tough call. I am generally opposed to 'protecting' kids from ideas. I'd rather engage them in a rowdy discussion, deconstructing the ideas presented (whether it's music, TV, movies, the news). However, there is some 'entertainment' that is just totally unworthy. I remember cringing when my nephew was listening to an Adam Sadler cd - f this, f that, over and over and over again. It was very inappropriate for him (I think he was 8 or 9 at the time) to listen to, much less own. Crap, it was inappropriate for me! I thought it was garbage and hated the idea that my nephew was tuned into garbage. If your son knows Tom likes Green Day, then it's pretty tough to say the ideas are not okay. Frankly, I'd be more concerned about the message of the songs rather than whether the singer says f*ck. I'm sure your son hears that word at school everyday. I know I did at that age. Edited by Renee 2005-10-05 12:14 PM |
| 2005-10-05 12:36 PM in reply to: #259747 |
Elite 3022 Preferably on my bike somewhere | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? I have 2 kids (okay, I qualify...) I think that if your child is old enough to be able to discuss the meaning of the content, then your child is old enough to listen to it. If you can't sit down and tell your child what F@CK means, then they shouldn't be listening to it. I had the "birds and bees" conversation with my mom when I was in 3rd grade (8 years old) - someone in my class said that people had to "hump" to have kids. I didn't know what that meant and asked my mom. Out came the anatomy book and a long talk with mom. I'll never forget it, and I was better informed than 95% of my classmates. Could I use that word in the house? Not until I returned from college. But hey - I knew that it was a bad word I shouldn't use, and I knew what it meant. |
| 2005-10-05 12:37 PM in reply to: #259747 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Someone said even without the profanity Green Day isnt for an 11 or 12 year old kid. I think some people need to LISTEN to American Idiot. Take out the 2 "F Bombs" (if you must) and this is a great album (I think the profanity is used in a context that emphasizes the feelings of the songwriter and is not gratuitious in nature). Fact is, I will bet most of the people who think Green Day is a bad influence will agree with most of their views if you would LISTEN to and understand the lyrics. I dont. I do support the war. I do support our President. Green Day does not. That is their opinion and feelings, but I still appreciate the music and songwriting. Then again, I am a musician. So I am typically stereotyped by most overly protective "everything is sin" parents as a dirt ball any how. I know how I have raised my kids and how thet are turning out and wouldnt do anything differenty. I have honest, open lines of communications with both of my teenage daughters. |
| 2005-10-05 1:06 PM in reply to: #259969 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Christine, I just had a look at the lyrics to the September song. I don't see anything offensive in it. Why not download from itunes? Added: I looked at the American Idiot lyrics too. I recommend it. I enjoy subversive music. Teaches the youngsters to question which is a good thing. Edited by Renee 2005-10-05 1:12 PM |
| 2005-10-05 1:31 PM in reply to: #259747 |
Champion 7558 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? We've had some discussions in our house about these types of things. First separate the problem into: Is it (or not) appropriate for the child to HAVE the (unedited) music? Is it appropriate to have an edited version? Secondly, just because you'll allow the unedited version, doesn't mean YOU have to buy it! I found my children much more discriminating when the decision was to spend their $$. Of course, I've been accused of being a Nazi, but I'm not up for re-election and not subject to recall. |
| 2005-10-05 2:30 PM in reply to: #259969 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? idahodan - 2005-10-05 12:37 PM I have honest, open lines of communications with both of my teenage daughters. Funny, my parents said the same thing about me when I was a teenager. And it was true, as far as I communicated openly about the things that I wanted them to know about. I lied about everything else. |
| 2005-10-05 2:46 PM in reply to: #260053 |
Master 1472 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? Opus - 2005-10-05 11:30 AM I lied about everything else. Yes true. Just like making sure your kids dont hear swearing but then got to school and curse themselves. Understood. We dont have total control as parents. All we can do is hope to instill the right set of moral values that allows them to make appropriate decisions away from us. The type of music my children listen to in know way will affect thier social behavior. Anyone who believes it does is crazy. Look at the 50's and 60's. Those darn Beattles and that rotten Elvis Presley ruined a whole entire generation didnt they? Edited by idahodan 2005-10-05 2:48 PM |
| 2005-10-05 3:18 PM in reply to: #260062 |
| Pro 4040 | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? I've always had a good relationship with my parents. I think that if they'd known the stuff that I got into, they would have gone nuts. I shudder when I think of my own teenage stupidity (okay, it might have bled into my 20s, but not into my 30s!). From my own experience, if I ever have a teenage son I will (a) put a speed limiter on the car (b) not believe him when he says "I've never tried alcohol". (c) do everything in my power to make him understand that I will be pleased, nay, ecstatic, if he wakes me up at 3 a.m. asking for a lift home because nobody is sober enough to drive, even if he's only 17. (d) educate him about drugs, bad drugs and really bad drugs (e) tell him sex is about more than putting the sausage in the bun! I guess the above is kind of off topic. The bottom line is, I lied to my parents, but we're still close. Oh, and to un-hijack this thread, a couple of f-words on an album won't scar your child for life. I used to go into my older brother's record collection and listen to Marianne Faithful, aye caramba! I learned words I'd never heard before! Edited by Opus 2005-10-05 3:21 PM |
| 2005-10-05 10:25 PM in reply to: #259747 |
Member 37 Kitchener, Ontario | Subject: RE: does WalMart Censor? I'm in the same boat with my soon to be 9yr old son. He put the Green Day CD on his birthday list for "Wake Me When September Ends". I told him we could get it from itunes but he wanted the whole album. We get LOTS of music from itunes so it didn't seem special to him for his birthday. He wants to hold the CD in his hands and have it in his "collection". We went through the swearing thing on the last CD he received. Avril Lavigne says the "S" word which wasn't on the radio and caught us off guard. We had a discussion (it is ongoing) about swearing in everday life vs. art. When and why it may or may not be appropriate. We have to model what we beleive and discuss the the why. Then stand back and hope it sticks! Good Luck. PS I'd rather get the REAL version and discuss it than the edited one (from the spouse of a recording musician) |
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