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2008-07-31 1:09 PM

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Subject: My parents drink ZERO water
How do I convince my parents to drink water? Currently (and I'm not exaggerating), they drink ONLY diet soda, coffee and milk. Occasionally wine with dinner.

I'm really concerned about their hydration. My mom insists that diet soda has water in it, so that counts as water. Her other excuse is that she doesn't want to have to pee all the time. My dad is addicted to the caffiene so it's all he drinks. He said the other day he has 2 cups of coffee in the morning, 2 diet sodas before lunch, 1 with lunch, 2 in the afternoon, and 2 at home. No water.

Nevermind the evil aspartame argument (which they simply don't believe is true)... is there any information I can (lovingly) point them to regarding the importance of water and proper hydration? I'm really worried about them.



2008-07-31 1:41 PM
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Your mom's kinda right.  All of that stuff has water in it.  Food has water in it.  If they're not having problems with dehydration, what's the problem?
2008-07-31 2:34 PM
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Diet soda (I'm assuming she's drinking a caffienated variety) is a diruretic, so seemingly that would make her have to pee more often than just plain water. I drink 128 oz. of water a day and I don't think I pee any more than the average person.

I don't know what your parents' weight situation is, but water helps you stay feeling full longer and helps digest your food better. Diet soda is supposed to mess with your brain to make you crave sweets and make you feel hungry faster. So, if they're trying to lose weight, it's not likely to help. No telling what kinds of crazy stuff artificial sweeteners do to your body. I've read about studies that have documented there are more obese people who drink diet drinks than regular drinks (because of the artificial sweeteners).

I don't approve of many of my parents habits either. Sometimes we just have to state our opinion (several times!), then move on and let them live their lives how they see fit.
2008-07-31 2:36 PM
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Sounds like the fluid intake might be ok for inactive people, but all the caffene and aspartame might not be so good for them. Google those things for some horror stories to scare them and see if that helps them switch to water.
2008-07-31 2:56 PM
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DerekL - 2008-07-31 1:41 PM

Your mom's kinda right.  All of that stuff has water in it.  Food has water in it.  If they're not having problems with dehydration, what's the problem?


Well that's the kind of info I was looking for... I had thought for some reason that water was really the best source of hydration. Sure, fruits and sugar-laced beverages have water in them but are you off-setting the benefits of water with all of the other stuff in it? I have seen some posts along the lines of "if it's not water it doesn't count" - but perhaps those are crazy people talking. It's been known to happen on the internet

As for their lifestyles, they are not "athletes." My mom is fit - she is Type I Diabetic so watches everything very closely and exercises ~1hour every day every single day. My dad could loose 15 or 20 pounds but is not obese. He goes in phases of loosing 15 pounds, then gaining it back.
2008-07-31 3:19 PM
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Have to agree with the others that water is water no mater how it gets into your body.  Now granted diet soda probably has things that you should not put into your body but they are technically drinking water. 

Now if that is all I need to finish working so I can go home and drink some Beer to get my fill of water for the day.



2008-07-31 3:27 PM
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I do want to address the issue of caffeine as diuretic too.  I should have done this in the first post.  Caffeine taken alone is a mild diuretic.  That's relevant if you're taking caffeine pills.  If you're taking it with 12 oz. of fluid, you're taking in far more fluid than will be taken out of your body by the caffeine.  You're not going to dehydrate yourself drinking Diet Cokes all day.
2008-07-31 9:44 PM
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Isn't there a link between caffeine and developing kidney stones?  Or... do you have to be prone to them in the first place?  Anyway, that alone could be a good reason to get them to switch out at least some of their soda/coffee.

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2008-07-31 10:16 PM
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Water is over rated. Well, except if your a firefighter, then it's kind of a job requirement.
2008-08-01 7:05 AM
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Well, except if your a firefighter, then it's kind of a job requirement.

Unless its one of those pesky fires that water doesn't put out. Then its just an annoyance.

2008-08-01 7:21 AM
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I'm one of those crazies who basically only drinks water, though I understand that there are other ways to hydrate. Sometimes I drink a glass of soymilk with breakfast, and I keep chocolate soymilk around for "recovery" And I drink tea. But that's really about it. To be honest, I feel "better" when I mainly drink water.


2008-08-02 8:14 PM
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Diet soda, coffee, milk and wine ALL are moslty water. They are fine. I nfact the only thing theyshould get rid of is the soda. Milk, Coffee, Wine all have their place.
2008-08-03 12:40 AM
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The years between being a competitive roadie and starting tri training, which was about 8 years, I smoked like a chimney and drank, I kid you not, 8-10 cans of Mountain Dew a day. No water, coffee or anything else but soda....

The weird thing? All through those years, I had beautiful blood pressure, lung capacity, weight, no cavities....and I slept just fine.




2008-08-04 11:52 PM
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Just have your mom do a search on Diet soda and the health effects of it and then you probably have a much easier time convincing her to switch to water...

Poison in a can...
2008-08-05 7:00 AM
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audiojan - 2008-08-04 11:52 PM Just have your mom do a search on Diet soda and the health effects of it and then you probably have a much easier time convincing her to switch to water... Poison in a can...

Nonsense.  Search CREDIBLE sites, and you'll find no such information.

2008-08-05 8:19 AM
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DerekL,

How about NY Times? Would be considered credible by most I would think...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/nutrition/05symp.html?inca...

Obviously you think that it's perfectly ok and I don't agree, so let's just leave it at that and let each and every person decide for themselves.

I think we both agree that water would be one much better alternative anyway..


2008-08-05 8:33 AM
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audiojan - 2008-08-05 8:19 AM DerekL, How about NY Times? Would be considered credible by most I would think... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/nutrition/05symp.html?inca... Obviously you think that it's perfectly ok and I don't agree, so let's just leave it at that and let each and every person decide for themselves. I think we both agree that water would be one much better alternative anyway..

I think that the mainstream press would be among the least credible of scientific sources.  It's often a reporter without a science background paraphrasing research that may or may not be good in the first place.  I didn't read the article as it requires registration, but I'm aware of the current findings regarding this area, and it doesn't support your contention.

I'm all for people deciding for themselves, but they have to be given good information to make that decision.

Now, back to my glass of water.  

 

Edit to add that I found and read the article.  Linking the two based on that is an enormous reach.  Retrospective, self reported, lack of control of any variables, etc.  Somebody should remind the authors that correlation doesn't equal causation. 

2008-08-05 10:23 AM
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The last sentence of that article even says:

“Why is it happening? Is it some kind of chemical in the diet soda, or something about the behavior of diet soda drinkers?”

Most studies I've shown illustrate a typical diet soda drinker as being a guy who orders a Big Mac, Fries, a Sundae...and oh yeah a Diet Soda. I could understand if they showed carbonation had some sort of bloating effect on the abdomen and I tend to buy Diet Coke with Splenda as opposed to aspartame BUT I still think, in all the stuff I've read - which depending on what the it says you can tell who funded it - that in order to be really effected by diet soda you'd have to drink like half a swimming pool full per day. Don't beleive the hype.



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2008-08-05 10:07 PM
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I can't believe people are actually arguing that fizzy drinks are ok to drink in the place of water.

Derek can you point me in the direction of literature that would support an argument like that?  very curious as I would love to read it.  It goes against everything that I have been taught since I was a child about health eating and drinking. 

Firstly my mum is a dentist so we had fizzy drink very very rarely and it was a huge treat.   Now I'm older and have done alot of thinking/research into what I chose to eat, I avoid refined foods and chemicals as much as possible. 

Perhaps a website like this might help sway them in the direction of water.  I know its a website advertising the water company, but it does have a good chart about the nutritional contents of 'soda' v water.

http://www.myspringwater.com/HealthAndFitness/WaterVsOtherBeverages/WaterVsSoda.aspx

 



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splerph - 2008-08-05 10:07 PM

I can't believe people are actually arguing that fizzy drinks are ok to drink in the place of water.

Derek can you point me in the direction of literature that would support an argument like that?  very curious as I would love to read it.  It goes against everything that I have been taught since I was a child about health eating and drinking. 

Firstly my mum is a dentist so we had fizzy drink very very rarely and it was a huge treat.   Now I'm older and have done alot of thinking/research into what I chose to eat, I avoid refined foods and chemicals as much as possible. 

Perhaps a website like this might help sway them in the direction of water.  I know its a website advertising the water company, but it does have a good chart about the nutritional contents of 'soda' v water.

http://www.myspringwater.com/HealthAndFitness/WaterVsOtherBeverages/WaterVsSoda.aspx

 

The question is about whether DIET sodas are "poison in a can" or provide some hydration and are ok to drink.  You've sorta taken it on a tangent that has nothing to do with the original question.  The link and chart provided is for REGULAR sodas, and that's not what we're talking about.  You're also right in that it's provided to make a point and not as an objective analysis of things.  Phosphoric acid?  Oh no!  If they listed orange juice vs. water, I bet they'd put that nasty citric acid in the bad column too.

The question of literature doesn't really make sense either.  The nature of research is to ask a question that is quantifiable and observable and try to validate or invalidate that.  I'm not sure what your question would be for them.  It's like asking if you know of literature available that says that breathing is ok.  Can you find it?

2008-08-06 7:26 AM
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How about the BIGGEST argument to not drink soda, that no one can really dispute?

Water is free



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wurkit_gurl - 2008-08-06 7:26 AM

How about the BIGGEST argument to not drink soda, that no one can really dispute?

Water is free

Haven't paid your water bill lately, have you?  

2008-08-06 7:52 AM
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DerekL - 2008-08-06 8:35 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2008-08-06 7:26 AM

How about the BIGGEST argument to not drink soda, that no one can really dispute?

Water is free

Haven't paid your water bill lately, have you?  

But the majority of that is running water like showers, the washing machine, dishwasher, etc. I'm sure a VERY small percentage of that cost is for filling the Brita. And it probably works out to be cheaper than buying soda.

2008-08-06 8:06 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2008-08-06 7:52 AM
DerekL - 2008-08-06 8:35 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2008-08-06 7:26 AM

How about the BIGGEST argument to not drink soda, that no one can really dispute?

Water is free

Haven't paid your water bill lately, have you?  

But the majority of that is running water like showers, the washing machine, dishwasher, etc. I'm sure a VERY small percentage of that cost is for filling the Brita. And it probably works out to be cheaper than buying soda.

Oh, of course.  It's just not free.

Water = good for those wondering.

2008-08-06 8:47 AM
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splerph - 2008-08-05 10:07 PM

I can't believe people are actually arguing that fizzy drinks are ok to drink in the place of water.

Derek can you point me in the direction of literature that would support an argument like that?  very curious as I would love to read it.  It goes against everything that I have been taught since I was a child about health eating and drinking. 

Firstly my mum is a dentist so we had fizzy drink very very rarely and it was a huge treat.   Now I'm older and have done alot of thinking/research into what I chose to eat, I avoid refined foods and chemicals as much as possible. 

Perhaps a website like this might help sway them in the direction of water.  I know its a website advertising the water company, but it does have a good chart about the nutritional contents of 'soda' v water.

http://www.myspringwater.com/HealthAndFitness/WaterVsOtherBeverages/WaterVsSoda.aspx

 

I don't think anyone said that soda is sufficient to replace water.  The OP was concerned about her parents drinking DIET soda and whether or not they were properly hydrated.  As Derek said above, there isn't enough caffiene in soda to worry about the diruetic effect.  And as far as aspartame is concerned, there isn't really any conclusive evidence (and when I say conclusive I mean from peer-reviewed scientific sources.  The NY Times is definitely NOT that, and I certainly don't consider them a good source of info) that supports aspartame as being harmful.   However, it was thought that artificial sweetners were thought to trigger an insulin response, but I don't know if that has been supported with factual studies (Derek?).

And I am not sure why that chart you posted is relevant.  It just lists the ingredients.  You can look on the back of the can for that.

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