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2008-08-18 7:43 PM

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Subject: Trainer advice and reputable online dealers

I've come to the decision that i really need a trainer for my bike.   So many nights when i get home from work after working 13 hours that i haven't the motivation to go out and ride.   Plus with it getting dark, i need something i can use at home and see my wife and little boy at the same time.

Soooooo, i've done some searching through old threads here and it looks like the Cycleops and/or Kurt Kinetic are the tops recommendations for trainers.   So does anyone got any secret online retailers that sell either of these rather inexpensive?  Any good sells going on?

Also, since i'm a newbie to biking and trainers....is there any other accessories i need along with the trainer?   Are there some good DvD videos that has good programs to follow and train with?

What exactely do i need to get me started?



2008-08-18 7:49 PM
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https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&c...

and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

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2008-08-18 7:56 PM
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davhamm - 2008-08-18 8:49 PM https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&a... and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

x1000

I bought this and trust me, you'll like it. It's better than a CycleOps. Won't leak.

Also, the owner is a regular poster here on BT and seems to be an all-around good guy. 



Edited by newleaf 2008-08-18 7:57 PM
2008-08-18 8:02 PM
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Nashbar wattmaster fluid wireless. That is the cheapest way to get power measurement for your cycling. A veteran elite triathlete friend told me to get that trainer, and to become a "watt weinee" in order to improve my cycling. Unfortunlatey, tho, I have a trainer already, and can't really justify buying a new trainer. When my Cylclops Magneto wears out, I'll be buying the Nashbar. I love the Magneto, btw.

The Nashbar Trainer is on sale right now for $299, DANG I want one!!!

Here is a Link to it.


PS: I love the Spinervals DVD's. I attribute my strength in biking to doing Spinervals once per week for about two seasons. I kept asking for them for my birthday and Christmas, and now have a nice collection: "No Slackers Allowed", "Suffer-o-Rama", "Muscle Breakdown", and "Uphill Grind". Gotta love those titles, eh?

Edited by keyone 2008-08-18 8:13 PM
2008-08-18 8:27 PM
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newleaf - 2008-08-18 8:56 PM

davhamm - 2008-08-18 8:49 PM https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&a... and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

x1000

I bought this and trust me, you'll like it. It's better than a CycleOps. Won't leak.

Also, the owner is a regular poster here on BT and seems to be an all-around good guy. 

 So it's a secret?



2008-08-18 8:39 PM
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keyone - 2008-08-18 8:02 PM

Nashbar wattmaster fluid wireless. That is the cheapest way to get power measurement for your cycling. A veteran elite triathlete friend told me to get that trainer, and to become a "watt weinee" in order to improve my cycling. Unfortunlatey, tho, I have a trainer already, and can't really justify buying a new trainer. When my Cylclops Magneto wears out, I'll be buying the Nashbar. I love the Magneto, btw.

The Nashbar Trainer is on sale right now for $299, DANG I want one!!!

Here is a Link to it.




I know where you can get the Kurt Kinetic with riser block for about $218. add the computer for another $40ish if you want.

Edited by davhamm 2008-08-18 8:40 PM
2008-08-18 8:54 PM
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gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:27 PM
newleaf - 2008-08-18 8:56 PM

davhamm - 2008-08-18 8:49 PM https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&a... and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

x1000

I bought this and trust me, you'll like it. It's better than a CycleOps. Won't leak.

Also, the owner is a regular poster here on BT and seems to be an all-around good guy.

So it's a secret?

Yes, click on the link.  It is, in fact, a secret. 

2008-08-18 8:56 PM
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davhamm - 2008-08-18 9:39 PM
keyone - 2008-08-18 8:02 PM Nashbar wattmaster fluid wireless. That is the cheapest way to get power measurement for your cycling. A veteran elite triathlete friend told me to get that trainer, and to become a "watt weinee" in order to improve my cycling. Unfortunlatey, tho, I have a trainer already, and can't really justify buying a new trainer. When my Cylclops Magneto wears out, I'll be buying the Nashbar. I love the Magneto, btw. The Nashbar Trainer is on sale right now for $299, DANG I want one!!! Here is a Link to it.
I know where you can get the Kurt Kinetic with riser block for about $218. add the computer for another $40ish if you want.

Where?

Do you have a link?   

2008-08-18 9:00 PM
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thanks for all the links.  

so where is the Kurt Kinetic for $218 and a riser block (whatever that is)?

hey keyone, of those DvD's, whats a good one for a newbie looking to build strenght and endurance?   got any suggestions?

2008-08-18 9:01 PM
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newleaf - 2008-08-18 9:54 PM
gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:27 PM
newleaf - 2008-08-18 8:56 PM

davhamm - 2008-08-18 8:49 PM https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&a... and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

x1000

I bought this and trust me, you'll like it. It's better than a CycleOps. Won't leak.

Also, the owner is a regular poster here on BT and seems to be an all-around good guy.

So it's a secret?

Yes, click on the link.  It is, in fact, a secret. 

 I did click it.  What am I missing?  Spend $218 for a secret trainer.  I wouldn't even spend $1 in a vending machine for a 'mystery' soda.  Ok, I probably would just b/c I'd be so dang curious what was going to come out.  But $200 to not know?

 



2008-08-18 9:02 PM
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umm ok, figured out the secret place for the Kinetic lol
2008-08-18 9:06 PM
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gopennstate - 2008-08-18 10:01 PM
newleaf - 2008-08-18 9:54 PM
gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:27 PM
newleaf - 2008-08-18 8:56 PM

davhamm - 2008-08-18 8:49 PM https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&a... and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

x1000

I bought this and trust me, you'll like it. It's better than a CycleOps. Won't leak.

Also, the owner is a regular poster here on BT and seems to be an all-around good guy.

So it's a secret?

Yes, click on the link. It is, in fact, a secret.

I did click it. What am I missing? Spend $218 for a secret trainer. I wouldn't even spend $1 in a vending machine for a 'mystery' soda. Ok, I probably would just b/c I'd be so dang curious what was going to come out. But $200 to not know?

 

[hijack] 

Would you spend $200 for a race you haven't trained for, but really want to do? 

[/hijack] 

2008-08-18 9:45 PM
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gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:01 PM

newleaf - 2008-08-18 9:54 PM
gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:27 PM
newleaf - 2008-08-18 8:56 PM

davhamm - 2008-08-18 8:49 PM https://www.bikesportmichigan.com/shop/product.php?productid=16371&c... and it is a XXXX XXXXXXX

x1000

I bought this and trust me, you'll like it. It's better than a CycleOps. Won't leak.

Also, the owner is a regular poster here on BT and seems to be an all-around good guy.

So it's a secret?

Yes, click on the link.  It is, in fact, a secret. 

 I did click it.  What am I missing?  Spend $218 for a secret trainer.  I wouldn't even spend $1 in a vending machine for a 'mystery' soda.  Ok, I probably would just b/c I'd be so dang curious what was going to come out.  But $200 to not know?

 



Well, then you wont get it. Or you could call that retailer and ask about details of the secret deal. But my understanding is some manufactures will not allow a retailer to advertise a price lower than X. They can sell for less they just can't advertise it.

Anyhow. If you look at my first 2 posts in this thread its pretty clear (ok you might need to click the link on the first one to see the item sells for $217.99 and put that with the 2nd post and you should be able to figure it out.

If not Call Tom D. at bikesportmichigan and ask him.
2008-08-18 10:27 PM
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davhamm - 2008-08-18 10:45 PM
gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:01 PM 


But my understanding is some manufactures will not allow a retailer to advertise a price lower than X. They can sell for less they just can't advertise it.  

 Ok this makes sense!  I couldn't understand what the secret gained the company.  I found myself thinking, if it's a great buy, wouldn't they sell more if they just told people what it was.  Thanks for clarifying. 

2008-08-18 10:33 PM
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davhamm - 2008-08-18 10:45 PM
gopennstate - 2008-08-18 9:01 PM 


If you look at my first 2 posts in this thread its pretty clear (ok you might need to click the link on the first one to see the item sells for $217.99 and put that with the 2nd post and you should be able to figure it out.

I just reread both of your posts.  Wow.  How how how did I not pick up on that?  I usually have one completely ditzy moment of the day, and this was it.  Shoot, that's so bad that should fill my quota for the week.  Yes, I am completely making fun of myself.



2008-08-18 10:36 PM
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The X's even match.  Jennifer!!!
2008-08-19 6:51 AM
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xmann1102 - 2008-08-18 10:00 PM

thanks for all the links.

so where is the Kurt Kinetic for $218 and a riser block (whatever that is)?

hey keyone, of those DvD's, whats a good one for a newbie looking to build strenght and endurance? got any suggestions?



Suffer-o-Rama is my favorite. It consists of intervals to build power and speed. No Slackers is also intervals. The other two (Muscle and Uphill) are hill workouts to build strength. All of these are intense 45 minute workouts that will leave a puddle on the floor beneath your bike. These workouts are so intense that I cannot get bored on the trainer.

I believe Spinervals also makes some longer DVD wokrouts that are for building endurance. I have not tried those, because if I'm not doing an intense workout, I would get bored, like I do when trying to watch TV or a movie. I have tried that, but just find it too tedious, so I'd just as soon ride out doors.

But, I never get bored doing Spinervals! Same story with treadmill (boring if workout is easy, not boring if hard)

Edited by keyone 2008-08-19 6:55 AM
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hmm, wondering which DvD would be the best for me.   i just did my first Sprint (15 miles) and wanna build a better base than what i currently have.   i have an Oly coming up in 5 weeks and really need to kick it up the next 4 weeks.   i see they have longer training videos, but i got no idea what would be appropriate for me.

and i think i'm gonna grab the "secret" sale the Bikesport has.   gotta like that price

2008-08-19 8:02 AM
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also, can someone give me a short tutorial or link to explain small/big rings to me?

all i've ever used is the small ring.   i see on those Spinerval DvD's they have you chaging rings regularly and it's a bit confusing for me.

can someone explain or link me a newbie guide to the rings and gears?

and which model Kurt Kinetic is this for $218?



Edited by xmann1102 2008-08-19 8:12 AM
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xmann1102 - 2008-08-19 9:02 AM

also, can someone give me a short tutorial or link to explain small/big rings to me?

all i've ever used is the small ring.   i see on those Spinerval DvD's they have you chaging rings regularly and it's a bit confusing for me.

can someone explain or link me a newbie guide to the rings and gears?

and which model Kurt Kinetic is this for $218?

1st the KK = the road.  Its a great deal. 

chainring/cogs - short lesson.

  • Chainring - big gears in front, shifted by your left hand. Either 1, 2, or 3
  • Cogs, - smaller gears in back, on your rear wheel, shifted by your right hand.  From 5 to 10.  9 and 10 most popular
  • Assuming a constant RPM: 
    • When you are in your biggest chainring and smallest cog, its the hardest to pedal but one goes the fastest
    • When you are in your smallest chainring and biggest cog, its the easiest to pedal but one goes the slowest
  • Shifting from the smallest cog to the bigger cogs will make it easier to pedal but slower.  Shifting from the biggest chain ring to the smaller chainring will also have the same effect. 
  • The "Gearing" as I described above, doesn't go in order. IOW if you wanted to go from the hardest to the eastest, in order you might do this(assuming 10sp double, a triple would work much the same way). 
    • big chaingring(BC)/smallest cog(c)
    • BC/c+1
    • BC/c+2
    • BC/c+3
    • BC/c+4
    • Smallest Chaingring(SC)/c
    • BC/c+5
    • SC/c+2
    • BC/c+6
    • SC/c+3
    • ......
    • SC/c+7
    • SC/c+8
    • SC/c+9
    • SC/c+10 
  • Never use the biggest chainring and biggest cog, conversly, never use the smallest chainring and smallest cog.  This is called "cross chaining" 

 



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2008-08-19 9:51 AM
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Spinnervals 13 - Tough Love.  3 hours of pain and sweat, it's highly recommended (by me.)

I'm going to add a couple more before the winter too, specifically some time trial and strength focused ones.  They're great workouts, though I do play the "Commercial game" a lot during football season.  If you're not familiar, you spin at a moderate pace when the game is on, and when they pop to commercials you crank up the resistance and speed till the game comes back on.

Yes, I'm easily entertained.... :D

2008-08-19 10:29 AM
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ok, made my decision.   getting the Kinetic "secret" deal along with a Kinetic computer and Spinerval 13 DVD
2008-08-19 10:54 AM
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The nice thing about the Tough Love DVD is you can do parts of it instead of the whole workout.  This is really important if you're working on building your aerobic base on the bike.  Tough to tell from your logs, but I might also recommend #16 - Aero Base Builder #1.  It's a great, hour long workout designed to build the aero base by keeping you below your lactate threshold.  It makes for a great "easy day" workout too in the winter.
2008-08-19 10:55 AM
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well, the "secret" deal is on backorder

wanted to get something this week so i gotta rethink now

hmm.....

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