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2008-09-02 6:45 PM

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Subject: IMKY 2008 - for better or worse?

No, I'm not talking about your marriage vows.  Just curious if you did better or worse than you thought you'd do?  Or did you finish about when you thought you'd finish.

Last year (my first) I did much worse than I thought (secretly) I'd do but this year I did much better than I thought I'd do.  I guess last year I underestimated the accumulated "fatigue factor" and was disappointed that I fell short of my expectations.  This year I greatly lowered my expectations and was just thrilled with how I did. 

I know most of us say our goal is "just finish" for our first IM but c'mon, you know when no one is looking you are calculating your 'best case' times.  :-)  So did you meet or exceed your own (private) expectations or was it harder than you thought it'd be and finished way after you thought you would?

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2008-09-02 6:58 PM
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It was my first IM, and my goal was 2/7/5 with the transitions factored in to the 2 hr swim block. I went 1:50/7:03/5:01 and broke the 14 hours I was shooting for by 5 minutes. I think I could have done much better on the bike, but I fought cramps for the last 5-10 min of the swim and the first 80 miles of the bike, so finally getting them to go away and not bother me a bit on the run made me happier than anything else. Its funny that my semi training partner and I followed the same 24 week training plan and finished 2 min apart.
2008-09-02 7:05 PM
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Did I mention I finished with the EXACT (:30 sec. faster this year) same finish time as last year? 14:04. On course I was dissapointed b/c that was slower than I had expected. With some perspective I was able to look at it with some sense of accomplishment.
I had the perfect day last year. Everything fell into place, perfect nutrition, very positive attitude, felt great. Finish time - 14:04
This year my stomach shut down at mile 80 of the bike and I took in very little nutrition or water from then on. I had some pretty bad saddle sore issues. I forgot my e-caps on the run and was dizzy and nauseaus for almost all of the run. I walked a lot more than last year. There were DARK, DARK thoughts on the bike and the run. But I finished. I faced the pain and finished - in 14:04.
That tells me that if I had the perfect day this year, I would have been a rockstar out there in the sub 13 hour race I really wanted to have.
All the same, the finish line was awesome both times and I can't wait to do it again!!

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2008-09-02 7:52 PM
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Well.. this one is a no brainer for me. Much worse. I know that I put "finish" in my goal, but I had others in my mind. I know what I am capable of and that is not what came forward on the day that counts.

Even though I know I can swim faster... I said I would be happy with anything under 1hr 30min. and I got 1hr 32min. Looking back I see what I need to correct and I got close, so I am happy with it.

The bike....I am not even close to being happy with the bike. You get used to riding one way and do not get to do it during the race, things happen. I have been on long rides that were hotter or on worse roads, MUCH faster...It just didn't happen that day.. Learn from it...Suck it up and drive on.

Run... what run.. due to problems on the bike my back was cramping and having issues from the start. This only got worse as did other muscles from compensating for the back. And I did something stupid that caused my socks to get wet and cause blisters...So, not happy with all of that.

So.. in summary.. I would say the that overall, I did much worse than I thought / am capable of for the race, but.. I am coming out much better because of the entire week and the event. I learned quite a bit. Make sense?

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2008-09-02 8:04 PM
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This was my second IM, so on my first one I truly just wanted to finish and was completely thrilled with a 13:45 finish. This year I felt the pressure to perform at least as well as last year despite the fact that KY was 30 degrees hotter than CDA. Anyhow, I was very happy wih my swim, bike and transition times. But I knew at mile 80 on the bike that I was feeling as bad as I did at mile 23 on the run last year. So this was completely discouraging. This got me in a poo head mood and I started playing games in my head like "why am I doing this again?," "I already did this, what do I have to prove?," instead of just pushing through the misery. This hurt my time and my spirit. Now I have regrets about not performing better. So, I will take off a year on this distance to gain more motivation and find my reason to complete this distance again.
2008-09-02 8:53 PM
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Since this was my first IM and I had not run in over 7 months prior to signing up, I set my initial expectations at just finish. However, as training progressed and race day approached, I figured 14 hrs was possible and 12:30 could be achieved if I crushed EVERY aspect INCLUDING the run.

I did not, however, crush the run. But, the rest of my race went pretty good. I was quite pleased w/ my swim. A bit diappointed w/ my bike, but I did hold back in fear of the marathon. And managed to survive the death march, I mean marathon! For a grand total of
13:13:52.


2008-09-02 9:24 PM
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My swim was slower than I expected. But I still placed 13th out of around 90 people in my AG, so not bad.

My bike was where I expected to be. I had HOPED I would have been a bit faster, but I wasn't shocked I was around 16 mph.

My run... wasn't a run. I had expected to 5/2 walk/run up to at least 13-15 miles... but due to my Achilles tendons on both legs being blow in the bike (don't ask me how- I have no clue! But I couldn't stand and pedal by the end of the bike)... I couldn't run at all. I could hardly even keep a 13 minute mile on my walk, which is slow for me. So I expected to have a faster run than I did.

With all of that said, I didn't let any of that bother me on race day and it doesn't bother me now. I did my best, I finished... and under 16 hours!

2008-09-02 9:34 PM
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2008-09-02 9:36 PM
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JeepFleeb - 2008-09-02 9:34 PM

I walked a lot more of the run course than I expected.



but walked away with a 185.00 pair of glasses and a cool visor though..

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2008-09-02 9:38 PM
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I actually didn't have time goals.. Just have some fun. I looked at my training pace and figured I could be anywhere from 15 hr to 16 hr.  so  coming in at just over 15hrs was good for me {15:07}.

I couldn't keep anything down from mile 40 on the bike till the end of the bike. and for someone that blew off most of my long runs in favor of just doing 1hr runs and did only 2 or 3 bricks I was very happy with my slowest marathon time ever !!  

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2008-09-02 10:03 PM
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JeepFleeb - 2008-09-02 9:39 PM

Ten9T6 - 2008-09-02 9:36 PM
but walked away with a 185.00 pair of glasses and a cool visor though..
Kenny

Nope, found your brother outside of medical and gave them to him.


ohh... The PoPo.. ran off with my glasses... I guess I need to talk to him.. Thanks.... You have to watch those police officers..

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2008-09-02 10:05 PM
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I somehow did better than my best case scenario that I dreamed would be possible only on a perfect day.

In reality, I took much longer on the swim than I should have.  I'm chalking it up to zig-zag swimming.  I'm not disappointed in the swim.  I'm actually proud as hell that I swam non-stop for nearly 90 minutes in the Ohio River and was calm the whole time.

I held back on the bike, and it paid off big time.  I figured I could ride between 18-19mph, and I was close to that.  Feeling great off the bike was the goal.  I wanted to give myself the best chance to run the marathon.

The run is what completely blew away my expectations.  With the injuries I've dealt with, and the limited running I did this year, I'm absolutely thrilled to have run the entire time and to have posted the 43rd fastest marathon of the day (pros included!)

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what I just accomplished at my first IM, and first marathon.  I'm my toughest critic, and I expect a lot from myself.  To have outperformed my target time is a thrilling experience for me. 

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2008-09-02 10:31 PM
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What a Great Day! ! ! I thought my best would be a 1.30 swim / 6.30 bike / 5.00 run. I wanted to do a sub-13 hour race. But, by two days prior, I decided that was a bit too much to hope for.

Well, unbelievably I beat all those times for a 12:39:54! ! ! !

I never went through the ups and downs of emotions. That was due to all of my support team, as well as all the great folks that came out for the race. My support team saw me 3 times on the bike, 4 times on the run and then at the finish line! ! !

I can't wait till IMC 2009. . . .

2008-09-03 7:04 AM
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Going in to the race I had a "worst case" scenario of 13:00:00, a "best case" scenario of 12:00:00 (or just a hair under) and a "probable" scenario of 12:30:00. The low end meant that the weather would have to cooperate and I nail my nutrition and hydration. The former didn't happen but the latter did -- at least as much as it could have with the heat.

I finished in 12:35, but not in the way I thought I would. I swam 14 mins faster than I thought I would, biked 15 mins faster than I thought I would (even soft petaling the final hour at 125 watts to get ready to run), and gave it back on the run by being 30-40 mins slower than I thought I would. I had planned on walking aid stations on the run, but those walks got longer as the race went on.

All in all, I am thrilled that I finished my first IM running (yes, running) down the finish chute with a smile on my face before dark. This race was also my first marathon ever, so I know that there is much room to improve my run endurance / fitness going forward. I learned alot out there.
2008-09-03 7:26 AM
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Well, I'm a little torn. My main goal was to finish, but I figured I could do it in about 14hrs if all went well.

I held back on the swim intentionally, as for me its an exponential increase in energy used for the small amout of time gained. So I was bang on for my expected swim time.

Bike I was quite happy with, and ended about where I thougth, without killing myself, and saving something for the run.

Run......wasn't much of a run. I had all the energy in the world, but my legs cramped so much that I simply could not run. I ran short bits here and there, but really it was a power walk. Also ended up with a huge blood blister on my left foot and I can hardly walk on it today. Legs feel fine thought, so I know I didn't push it like I could have, if I could have avoided those damn cramps. I overhydrated, and spent too much time in the john's, but it was better than all those people who underhydrated and took an ambulance ride home.

In the end, I finished at 14:00:09, so I can't be disappointed in that. But if I didn't have the leg cramps, I know I could shave 1hr off that, and still have a good day.

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2008-09-03 8:07 AM
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I did a MUCH worse time wise than I expected. The difference was the bike. I was two hours slower on the bike than I wanted and it simply took too much out of me for a good run.

But having said that, I am quite proud of how I finished, or that I finished at all since it was my first IM. I kept telling myself on the bike and the run that although I am not going to get the time I wanted, I am having to deal with a much tougher day than anticipated, so to dig deep and get 'er done would be the accomplishment I can be proud of.

Congrats to all who competed in IMKY on tough day conditions-wise. Well done BT'ers.

2008-09-03 8:08 AM
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Worse, but better than I could have really expected.  After doing the practice swim Friday morning and registering, my wife and I set down for lunch and out of no where the summer flu virus that has been going around the college my wife teaches at hit me.  It came on very quick and I spent Friday afternoon and all day Saturday in bed with a fever trying to fight it off.  I did not feel as bad Sunday morning, but I was still very congested and had the worst attitude - that feeling you get of just not wanting to be where you are.  So I had that going for me, which is nice.  My original goal was to go sub-12, but I had to adjust my expectations given my condition.  My swim and bike were OK and I believe I came away with a perfected snot-rocket technique while maintaining the aero position.  The run was miserable, period.  After coming across the bridge at mile 2, I saw my wife and started crying because I did not want to keep going, but I soldiered on and somehow managed to finish in 13:58:17.  All in all, I probably did better than I should have under the circumstances and I am happy just to have finished.
2008-09-03 8:22 AM
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As with most first timers my goal was to finish. I would have liked to break 15 hrs or even 14 hrs. At one point Monday I started to get mad at myself but then I considered my training and other factors I was/am truly thrilled by my time.

The thing that I am most proud of is that I truly enjoyed the entire day. I stayed focused on the moment and encouraged as many as I could.

Great job everyone
2008-09-03 8:24 AM
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cwsiii - 2008-09-03 8:08 AM Worse, but better than I could have really expected.  After doing the practice swim Friday morning and registering, my wife and I set down for lunch and out of no where the summer flu virus that has been going around the college my wife teaches at hit me.  It came on very quick and I spent Friday afternoon and all day Saturday in bed with a fever trying to fight it off.  I did not feel as bad Sunday morning, but I was still very congested and had the worst attitude - that feeling you get of just not wanting to be where you are.  So I had that going for me, which is nice.  My original goal was to go sub-12, but I had to adjust my expectations given my condition.  My swim and bike were OK and I believe I came away with a perfected snot-rocket technique while maintaining the aero position.  The run was miserable, period.  After coming across the bridge at mile 2, I saw my wife and started crying because I did not want to keep going, but I soldiered on and somehow managed to finish in 13:58:17.  All in all, I probably did better than I should have under the circumstances and I am happy just to have finished.

 way to overcome, dude!  THAT is IRONMAN style.

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2008-09-03 8:29 AM
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My experience was the worse that could have happened for me.  I had expectations of finishing in the 13 - 15 hour range based on my training.  I ended up finishing in 16:00:53. 

I started out fairly well with a 1:26 swim and a 6:44 bike.  I started to run into problems on the bike around mile 80.  My stomach shut down and I couldn't take anything other than water in.  I knew I was in trouble.

I had the dreaded longer marathon split than bike split at 7:31.  I walked probably 95% of it.  I couldn't get anything down other than water.  At the aid station just after mile 20 I collapsed.  I sat there for 30 minutes on the curb waiting for EMS.  The volunteers got me water, Gatorade, ice on the back of my neck and a powerbar.  I was able to eat the powerbar and felt much better.  At the 30 minute mark of sitting there, I got back up and said "F, this I'm finishing this thing".  I walked the rest of the way in. 

Overall, I'm very happy to have finished, and will give all the gory details in my race report later.  I will get my revenge on Ironman next year in Couer d'Alene. 



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This was my 1st and I had a goal of 13 hrs. I was on track going into the run- I needed a 4:30- but I knew it was not going to happen and finished in 14:20. I was not disappointed though and I am happy with the performance. If it was cooler then maybe I could have done it but oh well.....I am still an IRONMAN!!!
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1st Ironman

Goals : Swim - 1:20.00, T1 - :10.00, Bike - 6:50.00, T2 - :10.00, Run - 6:15.00, Total - 14:45.00

Actual :Swim - 1:14:50, T1 - :04.44, Bike - 7:00.01, T2 - :10.38, Run - 5:49.01, Total - 14:19.14

25 mins under my goal time.  Bike was slow but I stopped both loops to put on sunscreen and use restroom.  Overall I'm very happy with my performance and I'm very happy with how well I could move around the next day. Smile

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1st Ironman

Goals : Swim - 1:20.00, T1 - :10.00, Bike - 6:50.00, T2 - :10.00, Run - 6:15.00, Total - 14:45.00

Actual :Swim - 1:14:50, T1 - :04.44, Bike - 7:00.01, T2 - :10.38, Run - 5:49.01, Total - 14:19.14

25 mins under my goal time.  Bike was slow but I stopped both loops to put on sunscreen and use restroom.  Overall I'm very happy with my performance and I'm very happy with how well I could move around the next day. Smile

 

I gotta tell ya Mark, I think you held back too much on the bike.  I've biked enough centuries with you to know that you are a stronger biker than that.  Certainly if you had pushed harder on the bike you run would not have been as strong but I guess that's the balance we all have to find in an IM. That is, how hard to push the bike?

My game plan was simple - probably stupid, but simple.  I pushed as hard as I could on the bike and rationalized that the faster I got off the bike, the more time I'd have to run (walk) the marathon. 

 

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Secret goal was 14:30 and if all went to hell in a hand basket 15-17 hours.  Unfortunately, somewhere within the first few miles of the bike, I picked up my "hand basket".  My stomach was not happy and it got worse throughout the bike.  Gels and Infinit, I could not eat them.  No puking, but eating them made things even worse.  Legs felt ok, but there was just nothing in the tank to burn. Switched to bananas, salt tabs and water.  Stomach was still angry, but at least I had some calories.  Things got better after SN and i got TUMS, was able to eat a little more, but the damage was done by the time i got to the run.  I just felt weak and walked most of the run.  I ate at every station to make up some calories, but there was just no overcoming it.

I finished in 15:18, but had nutrition gone better I feel that 14:30 was within reach. 

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