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 2009-08-24 8:53 AM |
 569  |  Subject: Oct 4th half Marathon- need helpHello all, I have really been on a fence for the past week reqarding a half Marathon. I have completed my first sprint Tri last weekend (4.4 run portion). Up to the race my long run has been about 7.5 miles. I have taken the last week off and decided to start running again. Yesterday I ran 7 miles. felt good but tired (feels like 7 miles may be somewhere around my upper limit). Could I have done another mile, sure but I was tired and it was hot!!! I have 6 week until the half Marathon. I am using hal Higdon training plan. Looks like I am about at week 7 or 8 of the 12 week program. It it realistic to be able to do this thing? I am new and just having a hard time reading myself... I believe in pushing myself but dont want to get injured.. As far as my expectation of the race. Want to finish under 10 mph and dont want to walk. If I can do this it would be awesome. Just as a frame of reference I ran the sprint (4.4) in 9:30 mile. Of course, after the swim and bike.. suggestion, thoughts, anything will help... Thanks |
| 2009-08-24 9:07 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290   The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Nothing in your logs to support an answer to your question. Would want to know how long you've been running, how many miles per week recently, that kind of stuff. Seven mile that "felt good but tired" tells us little. Real question is why rush it? Even around here they have half marathons several times a year. Why rush preparations to get it done in six weeks? |
| 2009-08-24 9:22 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
| 569 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help I kind of just want to get it "over". My plan is do do a half before the bad weather gets here. Then jump on the bike and pool for the winter... I am hoping that a half will really jump start my running. Still dont like running it but its getting better... I know I dont have any logs.. As far as running I say I was running about 10 miles a week foir the past 12 weeks.. My current program has me running about 15 miles a week... |
| 2009-08-24 9:28 AM in reply to: #2366203 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help 10 mph would be 6:00 miles ........ I only know of a handful of people that could even come close to that in a half. Must be a typo???? |
| 2009-08-24 9:29 AM in reply to: #2366203 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Thaitri - 2009-08-24 10:22 AM As far as running I say I was running about 10 miles a week foir the past 12 weeks.. My current program has me running about 15 miles a week... And you would like to run a half in 8 weeks from now? No, wouldn't recommend it personally. No need to rush. Rushing leads to injury and burnout. Build up over the fall and winter, run a half in the spring. |
| 2009-08-24 9:36 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
| 569 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help No 6 min miles for me.. More like 9.. yes typo... I get the general feeling is that I should wait...Darn,.................. I really want this race but i dont want to bite off too much... I respect the opinions... |
| 2009-08-24 9:51 AM in reply to: #2366254 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Thaitri - 2009-08-24 9:36 AM No 6 min miles for me.. More like 9.. yes typo... I get the general feeling is that I should wait...Darn,.................. I really want this race but i dont want to bite off too much... I respect the opinions... Unfortunately, I am on this board WAY TOO MUCH... so I know your history with this question. You also probably think I'm not too nice of a person... but I can be brutally honest and most people don't appreciate that about me. I'm fine with that. This is the THIRD thread you have started about this half marathon and asking people's advice. I'm starting to wonder if this is a "joke". You got some amazing advice from some solid athletes on this board... but yet you are STILL ASKING if you should do it. In the first thread... http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... You got the following responses: if you don't like running, doing a 1/2 marathon may not suit you. when i trained for my first one, i was running atlest 3-4 times/week. it could be done on 2x/week, but i wouldn't . . i wouldn't feel ready. when i trained more seriously for my 2nd half, i ran 5 days/week. however, a lot of those runs were 3-5 milers, which will take less than 1 hr by the time you figure in showering, stretching etc. it was actually a lot easier for me to run 5 days/week then it is to distribute my training between s/b/r. . . Sager - 2009-08-12 1:15 PM Everyone is different and has different expectations. Listen to your body. You can run 2 days a week and have some sort of preparedness for a half marathon. Will it be enough to finish probably. Will it be enough to finish in the fashion you hope to, thats for you to determine. Just be careful. You dont want to get injured. If you push yourself too hard it doesnt matter how many days a week you train you ARE going to get hurt. RedCorvette - 2009-08-13 10:08 AM I did my first half mary this past February. One of my objectives for doing it was to work on my run base since that's my weakest triathlon leg by far. I used the Galloway first-timers plan which is basically two short runs (30-45 min) and one long run per week. I worked up to 10-12 miles on my long runs the month prior to the race. The plan worked well for me and I was able to finish fairly comfortably (I even was able to do a negative split). I think the long runs are important. I don't think I had run more than six miles in my life up to that point and the longer runs at first were definitely "unexplored territory", with a lot of the challenge being psychological as much as physical. Once I had a couple of 10-milers under my belt then I started to feel a lot more confident about doing the race. It is possible to do a race on a x2 schedule? Sure, but I wouldn't recommend it. I think you're setting yourself up for a painful experience and possible injury. My $0.02 Mark
In the second thread... you got responses like this: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... the bear - 2009-08-18 2:35 PM Half marathon is much harder than a sprint, unless of course you cannot swim or ride a bike. Doesn't mean it's not doable, though your logs don't give a clue. How long has it been since you ran that 7.5 and (be honest) what has your weekly running mileage averaged over the past two months? RedCorvette - 2009-08-18 3:54 PM A half marathon is much more difficult than a sprint tri, IMHO. Just did my first half this past Feb (see my avatar). I followed the Galloway first-timers plan which built up to several training runs over 10 miles, with a long run of 12 miles. The long runs were invaluable because it lets you know how it's going to feel, and what your pacing needs to be. Because of my preparation I was able to better manage my race and actually was able to do a negative split. If you haven't been doing a long run at least once a week, then I think it would be very difficult to build from 7.5 miles to 13.1 in only five weeks without risking injury. Mark TaylorB - 2009-08-18 5:29 PM and another thing... If you agressively ramp-up your running training, you're going to risk injury. Training for a tri is safer in that regard becuase it forces you to cross-train. I think you could pull it off for-sure... there's just a little more risk in going for the HM. As you can see, a few of the posts kept warning you that you could risk getting injured upping your miles so quickly... while some did say that you could do it. Even after all the advice you got... you signed up for it. You say you respect the opinions, but even after a few "not a wise choice" opinions you said you were going to do it. Look man, you signed up. Just go train and see what happens. It's done. If you get injured, you get injured. People told you it COULD happen... so if it happens, just don't do the half. If it doesn't happen, then you finish the half. Follow your training plan and see what happens. |
| 2009-08-24 9:52 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help You'd be going from 10miles per week to 13 miles in a single race, within six weeks. Doable, sure. Advisable, uh, nope. Find one a couple months down the road, build gradually, improve and enjoy. Don't understand the rationale of "getting it over," like it's some obstacle to your training. |
| 2009-08-24 10:01 AM in reply to: #2366312 |
| Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help the bear - 2009-08-24 10:52 AM Don't understand the rationale of "getting it over," like it's some obstacle to your training. I agree - a race goal shouldn't be there to "get it over with". You should do it because you WANT to do it. That's the whole point of a hobby. |
| 2009-08-24 10:04 AM in reply to: #2366309 |
Sneaky Slow 8694  Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help KSH - 2009-08-24 10:51 AM This is the THIRD thread you have started about this half marathon and asking people's advice. I'm starting to wonder if this is a "joke". If you like, just PM me with what you'd like to hear, and I will post it, then we won't need fourth and subsequent threads.  |
| 2009-08-24 10:10 AM in reply to: #2366369 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help newleaf - 2009-08-24 10:04 AM KSH - 2009-08-24 10:51 AM This is the THIRD thread you have started about this half marathon and asking people's advice. I'm starting to wonder if this is a "joke". If you like, just PM me with what you'd like to hear, and I will post it, then we won't need fourth and subsequent threads. Should I PM you? Or Thai? |
| 2009-08-24 10:15 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Some of us do appreciate brutal honesty, Karen. Thought the situation sounded familiar. Glad to see my advice was fairly consistent. It's just that similar questions are posted several times daily, hard to keep them straight. I've always maintained that 90% of the posters here on BT could go out and finish a marathon tomorrow. It would probably hurt, it would probably take quite a while and wouldn't be anywhere near potential. So my question always is "WHY?" A race, especially one of a new distance, should be a goal, not to be viewed as a stepping stone or an obstacle. At the same time, there are a lot of us here that view the journey as the important thing, not the destination. |
| 2009-08-24 10:21 AM in reply to: #2366412 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help the bear - 2009-08-24 10:15 AM Some of us do appreciate brutal honesty, Karen. Thought the situation sounded familiar. Glad to see my advice was fairly consistent. It's just that similar questions are posted several times daily, hard to keep them straight. I've always maintained that 90% of the posters here on BT could go out and finish a marathon tomorrow. It would probably hurt, it would probably take quite a while and wouldn't be anywhere near potential. So my question always is "WHY?" A race, especially one of a new distance, should be a goal, not to be viewed as a stepping stone or an obstacle. At the same time, there are a lot of us here that view the journey as the important thing, not the destination. HA! Well I know YOU appreciate the honesty! I recall his first thread because I remember that he only wanted to train 2 days a week and finish a half in 5-weeks... and he wanted to do something that was hard... and to get it done and over with. Just struck a chord with me... a bad one. I understand we all have our own journey... and how we want to take it and our purpose is ours and ours alone. But he has now posted 3 threads about "should I do it", "is it a good idea?", "will I get injured?" and people have been supportive but have also warned him that it's probably not the *best* idea. And yet, he's asking for our advice... AGAIN... saying he'll listen, but he sure as heck didn't listen the first time. Hey, if someone doesn't want to train and just wants to cross something off their list... so be it... but what's the point of asking us the same question over and over... only to get the same response? He knows what we think... and obviously is doesn't matter. Thai... go train. Good luck with your race! |
| 2009-08-24 10:28 AM in reply to: #2366229 |
| Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Daremo - 2009-08-24 10:28 AM 10 mph would be 6:00 miles ........ I only know of a handful of people that could even come close to that in a half. Must be a typo???? I bet he means 10:00/miles (which would be 6 mph). |
| 2009-08-24 10:28 AM in reply to: #2366229 |
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| 2009-08-24 11:02 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
Member 210 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help IF you can go do a 10 mile run in the next 2 weeks, then I would say you could FINISH the half-marathon five weeks from now. Can you do it without walking? I doubt it. Less than 6 weeks is simply not enough time to build up the endurance to run for 2-3 hours. That being said LOTS of people walk or combo walk/run half marathons. If you try to run the whole thing without enough training, at best, you can plan on being sore for 2 weeks. I mean, REALLY sore. You won't be able to walk down stairs for 3 days. (speaking from personal experience, of course!) At worst, you could tear muscle and be unable to walk at all. Make your goal something realistic: 2:20 or under. Run your 10-min miles for the first half (6-7 miles) and see how you feel. Walk when you have to. Obviously just finishing is your goal (or else you would have started training sooner) so go and just finish. If this is your first Half-Marathon, go and enjoy the race. Don't try to kill yourself to make an arbitrary and unrealistic goal. Make it fun. Go do it and proudly say, "I finished it, and only I walked 2 miles!" Most of us are doing this just to better ourselves, not to finish in 1st place. But the more time and effort you put into your training, the more rewarding the finish will be.  |
| 2009-08-24 11:18 AM in reply to: #2366111 |
| 569 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help KSH, do me a favor and relax!!! if you dont want to reply to my post please don't. Also don't try to save others. I am free to ask what I want when I want or how I want with the rules of this board. Now I have have briken a rule that is another story. But if I have just annoyed you,,, I dont care... |
| 2009-08-24 11:43 AM in reply to: #2366620 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Thaitri - 2009-08-24 12:18 PM KSH, do me a favor and relax!!! But if I have just annoyed you,,, I dont care... Now you've annoyed me too... Mark |
| 2009-08-24 12:13 PM in reply to: #2366620 |
| Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Thaitri - 2009-08-24 12:18 PM KSH, do me a favor and relax!!! if you dont want to reply to my post please don't. Also don't try to save others. I am free to ask what I want when I want or how I want with the rules of this board. Now I have have briken a rule that is another story. But if I have just annoyed you,,, I dont care... I think the issue is that we've all tried to give you advice on this topic over and over and over again, yet you continue to ask. I'm sorry if the advice is not what you want to hear (ie, you're not prepared to run the distance), but it's GOOD, solid advice and that is what you are going to get here. Asking it over and over again isn't going to get anyone to cave and say "well, okay, then I guess you can do it". I think people are just a little frustrated at this point. And while there aren't any "rules" about how much you can post about the same thing, it will grate on people's nerves after awhile. Then people may be less likely to give you ANY advice. Look, we're not trying to be mean or crush your dream or anything. People are just trying to keep you healthy and injury-free. |
| 2009-08-24 12:26 PM in reply to: #2366111 |
| 569 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help I understand… I just don’t think it was necessary to try to humiliate me in listing how may times I have posted. Believe me, I am/was not trying to be purposely annoying (I have my reasons for my repeated post).. No,,, not to hear what I want to hear.. I just did not appreciate the approach that was taken. I found the approach rude and uncalled for... |
| 2009-08-24 12:54 PM in reply to: #2366857 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Thaitri - 2009-08-24 12:26 PM I understand… I just don’t think it was necessary to try to humiliate me in listing how may times I have posted. Believe me, I am/was not trying to be purposely annoying (I have my reasons for my repeated post).. No,,, not to hear what I want to hear.. I just did not appreciate the approach that was taken. I found the approach rude and uncalled for... It wasn't to humiliate you. Come on man, this is a message board. Humiliation is a bit strong, don't ya think? It just seems that people have taken their time to repond to you... and yet you keep asking the same question. I'm just wondering what answer you are looking for. People gave you support... they told you that is wasn't a great idea... some said it was a great idea... ???? Are you just nervous and want some moral support? It's just bewildering me as to what answer you are looking for. That's all. Anyways, in your 2nd post on this topic I replied with: KSH - 2009-08-18 3:18 PM PS- The possibility of you doing a half marathon and what that training would look like was discussed in detail in the following thread: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... Just saving some people typing something that was already stated before. Really great advice was given in that thread. |
| 2009-08-24 1:09 PM in reply to: #2366111 |
| 569 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Let's have some respect for this forum and save the other members this unnecessary banter. Please dont ever reply to any of my future posts. |
| 2009-08-24 1:22 PM in reply to: #2366993 |
| New user 71 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Thaitri - 2009-08-24 2:09 PM Let's have some respect for this forum and save the other members this unnecessary banter. Please dont ever reply to any of my future posts. You have the right to post. People have the right to reply. If you don't want people to reply then don't post. If you are afraid that people might call you out on your repetitive posts then don't make repititive posts. If you think that there is nothing wrong with repetitive posts then defend yourself when people call you out on it. That's what a public forum is all about. That's what makes it interesting reading That's like you saying that a road bike is better than a tri bike and if anyone disagrees with that then please have respect for the forum by not replying to what you just said. Hmm ... that defeats the purpose of a discussion board |
| 2009-08-24 1:27 PM in reply to: #2366111 |
| 569 | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help I agree. People post to get a reply. Not problem for me. i just dont appreciate the tone that was taken. There are certain rules in life to live by.. Give respect to get respect. I feel that rule was violated.. Not by not hearing what I wanted to hear.. Come on, I will run the 1/2 and report back on it... |
| 2009-08-24 1:28 PM in reply to: #2366111 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Oct 4th half Marathon- need help Good luck. Take it slow. Listen to your body. It you are uncomfortable and tired - push through it. If you are hurt/injured - stop and DNF. |
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