Manliness- they say it is a lost art
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2006-03-22 9:50 AM |
Extreme Veteran 316 Nashville TN | Subject: Manliness- they say it is a lost art I just heard on Good Morning America this morning from a guy who wrote this book 'manliness'...how it is becoming a lost art for men to just be men. He said the whole gender thing is a bit out of control with women wanting to be equal in every way and thinks we should embrace men being men and women being women and enjoying the differences... and then they interviewed a bunch of women in NYC and showed pictures of like Jude Law, Russ Crowe, Tom Cruise and asked which ones were the 'manly man' types and which were the more 'sensitive'....(they all agreed there was nothing manly about Tom Cruise..thought that was funny!) the author said while women like a more 'sensitive man' they really do want a manly man....a guy to stand up and take responsibility and be the 'protector'. I think it is funny because I read Dr. Phil's Love Smart book and after doing the survey I realized why it is hard for me to find the right guy....basically I want a gay athlete...you know all sensitive to my feelings and needs but a man who isn't afraid to be a man and be strong ... hmmm... what do u all think? |
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2006-03-22 9:59 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art
I don't need a man to be sensitive to my needs. I want someone to be a decent companion, be responsible for himself, treat me with respect, and operate out of love and understanding. Playful personality is a definite PLUS. I do disagree with the premise that "everything is out of control with women wanting to be equal in every way." I think women are enjoying being womanly, girly or whatever kind of female they want to be. I've met |
2006-03-22 10:07 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Elite 2421 | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art Are you talking about "The Alphabet of Manliness" by Maddox? That's the one I'm looking forward to... comes out in June I believe. bts |
2006-03-22 10:11 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Extreme Veteran 316 Nashville TN | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art I agree Renee...I see a lot of women trying to be girlie...heck even though I love working out, I am still a girlie girl at heart... I like what you are looking for !!! good answer! |
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Extreme Veteran 316 Nashville TN | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art "I'd pick the female party because y'all actually would talk about SOMETHING rather than sit there and grunt and scratch and eventually vomit all over each other" too funny! and we would probably have great food too! you are right though about confident women appearing bitchy or too arrogant....I have been told by married men that they think I am an awesome package but that it may intimidate some single guys...the funny thing is a confident well adjusted healthy man should actually be drawn to that! |
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2006-03-22 10:43 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Master 1597 Colorado | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art The day I look to someone else's definition of how I am supposed to conduct myself is the day I validate all of this rediculous media crap surrounding it. Dr. Phil et al, is an idiot (who apparently knows how to make cash, so I gotta give the guy some credit there) not to be taken seriously. |
2006-03-22 10:52 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Champion 8903 | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art I only pretend to be a man. It's a hard job! OK, I'm off to paint pink flames on my treadmill. Carry on.
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Extreme Veteran 760 Provo, UT (my heart is in Seattle) | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art Stake - 2006-03-22 8:43 AM The day I look to someone else's definition of how I am supposed to conduct myself is the day I validate all of this rediculous media crap surrounding it. Dr. Phil et al, is an idiot (who apparently knows how to make cash, so I gotta give the guy some credit there) not to be taken seriously. I agree with you wholeheartedly Stake, Dr. Phil is an idiot! Dr. Phil's career really started when Oprah decided to have him on the show. It's all her fault! Well, maybe not all her fault, but she's partially to blame for the idiot. |
2006-03-22 10:57 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art rrizzo - 2006-03-22 7:50 AM He said the whole gender thing is a bit out of control with women wanting to be equal in every way and thinks we should embrace men being men and women being women and enjoying the differences... I don't know, I think that statement is bunk, personally. Why can't you just let people be people? If a man wants to be manly and a woman wants to womanly, that's fine. But let people be attracted to whomever they want to be attracted to. I just don't think that anyone should be forced into a box that predetermines how they act based on their gender. My husband is not particularly chivalrous and I don't particularly want him to be. It works for us. It seems to me that a lot of this talk about men being men and women being women is euphemism for taking a few steps back in terms of gender equality. Suffice it to say that I think that all should be granted equal opportunity and rights and that individuals should carry out their personal lives as they see fit. Edited by kimj81 2006-03-22 10:58 AM |
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2006-03-22 11:07 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Crystal Lake, IL | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art Manliness is too broad (pun intended) of a term. It can include knuckle dragging neanderthals. Here at BT we prefer to be called retrosexuals. Our "bible" is largely contained in this thread started by Pigpen (Grand Marshal of the upcoming Retrosexual Games). http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=34746&start=1
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2006-03-22 11:17 AM in reply to: #376406 |
Extreme Veteran 457 Eagleville, | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art rrizzo - 2006-03-22 10:50 AM men being men and women being women and enjoying the differences... Viva la Difference rrizzo - 2006-03-22 11:11 AM I agree Renee...I see a lot of women trying to be girlie...heck even though I love working out, I am still a girlie girl at heart... I, for one, find nothing wrong with a "girly girl" that also works out. As someone said, a hottie all sweaty at the gym is sexy. So is the Lady you take on the town in the "little black dress and pearls" It is all about knowing how to dress for the occasion that is sexy, and having the confidence to do so. Edited by egent 2006-03-22 11:19 AM |
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2006-03-22 11:40 AM in reply to: #376436 |
Champion 7553 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art oneword - 2006-03-22 10:12 AM Ok, as a guy I'll chime in on this topic... I sure don't know what 'manliness' is, but what I do think is attractive to women is confidence in a man... personally, I like to see the same thing in a woman as well, but a lot of guys will perceive a confident woman as a 'threat' or a 'bitch' because she knows who she is and what she wants. I've never gotten the whole 'manliness/guy' thing because even though I'm a FLAMING HETERO I think most guys are like total goofuses. They don't have much to say, and if you engage them in a conversation that might require thought and consideration, you start to see the gears grinding to a halt and the steam coming out of their ears. Which is probably why most of my friends are women. Let me put it this way... if I had the choice between an alcohol filled Superbowl Party that was all guys or an alcohol filled Superbowl Party that was all women, I'd pick the female party because y'all actually would talk about SOMETHING rather than sit there and grunt and scratch and eventually vomit all over each other Tough call on the superbowl party... If I just wanted to go to a party, watch a game and eat some food, then the guys win. It is a one-time-event with no additional expectations. The food and conversation at the women's party might be better, and I'll pick this if I agree that this is one-event-in-a-series-of-events-and-I'll-be-expected-to-remember-who-was-at-this-event-and-invite-them-to-MY-event-in-return... (No, I'm not a neanderthal, even if it sometimes appears that way.) |
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2006-03-22 12:17 PM in reply to: #376406 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art I didn't see the interview and haven't heard about the book before now, but it sounds like this guy needs to stop whining. Real men don't complain about the "lost art of manliness". They quietly go about the business of doing what needs to be done with humility, compassion and determination. It's a pretty simple formula. Not necessarily easy all the time, but simple. |
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Elite Veteran 1817 Cedar Rapids, Iowa | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art I like a guy who dresses like a guy....flannel shirts, workboots, jeans.....kind of outdoorsy if you know what I mean, but will happily put on a suit to take me someplace nice and look damn handsome in it. I like a guy who works a guy type job.....construction, plummer, mechanic...a blue collar job, and who knows that even though some people look down on people with those kinds of jobs, he's proud of the work he does and could not care less what other people think. I like a guy who drives a truck. I like a guy who could, if the situation warranted it heaven forbid, be able to physically protect me. I like a guy who can totally crack me up, is smart and has common sense, and is totally unpretentious. I like a guy who can build anything and fix anything and everything that might break and would never in a million years have to call a "professional" to fix it. I like a guy who has guy friends that he can act like a guy with occasionally, but who's number one priority and preference is to spend time with me. I like a guy who will talk to me at length about what he's thinking and feeling and who is very openly loving toward me and his children. I like a guy who is secure enough with himself to let me do my own thing and be totally supportive of it. Yeah, that and a good butt......works for me.
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2006-03-22 12:43 PM in reply to: #376406 |
Member 41 wichita, kansas | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art And I want a million dollars! |
2006-03-22 1:08 PM in reply to: #376406 |
Elite 2796 Texas | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art It's topics like this that make me realize if I ever went to a prison that housed a representative slice of our normal population.... 99.9% of my potential cell mates would be my b*tch from day one. Thankfully I'm sufficiently afraid of that 0.01% that I manage to keep my nose clean....
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2006-03-22 1:14 PM in reply to: #376406 |
Elite 2515 Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea | Subject: RE: Manliness- they say it is a lost art Tania, are you perchance, describing your father? Isn't it interesting how often we choose spouses that are so much like one of our parents. This seems especially true with women and their fathers. And to Marmadaddy, a-freakin-men brother. The coolest people I've ever met are those who defy definition or compartmentalization simply because they're unique and interesting people. Tom |
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