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Ditch long ride/run for IM?
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 2012-09-16 2:01 PM |
Member 185  |  Subject: Ditch long ride/run for IM?Hey guys, just a little IM training question. Doing IMFL and have a local sprint race on Sat., Oct. 6th, kind of throws a wrench in my long ride/run days, that weekend is the first weekend of my last three week build before the race. Trying to figure out how to keep both the long ride and the long run.............but would it just be a terrible idea to ditch one or the other? If I can figure out how to keep them both I'd end up with runs of 16, 18, 20, 18, 20, 18, and rides of 72, 85, 100, 85, 100, 85. So am I at kind of a minimum with the longer stuff? Or would it be ok to lose one? IMFL is the priority, not the sprint, but I would like to do ok. Thanks, Jack
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| 2012-09-16 2:16 PM in reply to: #4413518 |
Master 2406  Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? Why are you even doing the sprint? In general, people training for IMs wouldn't put a sprint into their schedule on 10/6 if their race is 11/3. It's the wrong sort of effort compared to your recent training (fast pace, hard effort, short time). If you do a sprint at IM race pace, you won't do well on the clock and it won't be enough workout. And the wrong time (4 weeks from IM race day). If your sprint effort injures you in some way, you have no time to recover before IM taper & race day. You can of course do whatever you'd like, but if it were me I wouldn't do the sprint at all. |
| 2012-09-16 2:20 PM in reply to: #4413530 |
Champion 6503   NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? Those runs are crazy long for someone who is just trying to finish. What plan are you following? The cycling looks way light. You need to get to the point where a hundred mile ride is ho-hum! To answer your question. I'd skip a couple of the runs. In preparation for my IM, I ran a Marathon 4 months before. Then never broke 15 miles until race day. Worked fine for me, but every week I had a long ride of at least 75 and my longest was 111.1 Miles. |
| 2012-09-16 2:21 PM in reply to: #4413518 |
Extreme Veteran 626 South Florida | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? Ditch the sprint and stick to your training plan. |
| 2012-09-16 3:43 PM in reply to: #4413536 |
| Member 185 | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? pga_mike - 2012-09-16 2:20 PM Those runs are crazy long for someone who is just trying to finish. What plan are you following? The cycling looks way light. You need to get to the point where a hundred mile ride is ho-hum! To answer your question. I'd skip a couple of the runs. In preparation for my IM, I ran a Marathon 4 months before. Then never broke 15 miles until race day. Worked fine for me, but every week I had a long ride of at least 75 and my longest was 111.1 Miles. Using Gale Bernhardt's 13 wks. to 13 hr. IM plan as a template, but am pushing the overall volume up around 20% overall, with long rides/runs up more like 30%. For ex., this last week was supposed to be 11:15 with a 2:30 run and a 3:30 bike, did 13:30ish with a 2:45 run and 4:42 bike. |
| 2012-09-16 3:48 PM in reply to: #4413530 |
| Member 185 | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? brucemorgan - 2012-09-16 2:16 PM Why are you even doing the sprint? In general, people training for IMs wouldn't put a sprint into their schedule on 10/6 if their race is 11/3. It's the wrong sort of effort compared to your recent training (fast pace, hard effort, short time). If you do a sprint at IM race pace, you won't do well on the clock and it won't be enough workout. And the wrong time (4 weeks from IM race day). If your sprint effort injures you in some way, you have no time to recover before IM taper & race day. You can of course do whatever you'd like, but if it were me I wouldn't do the sprint at all. I know it doesn't exactly fit in, but I really want to do it, it's a killer race, fun. I've been doing some speed sessions in addition to the longer slow stuff so I'm not sure injury is much of a concern, I wouldn't go 100% in it. Other than not doing it, sounds like you're recommending not missing either long ride/run for that weekend? |
| 2012-09-16 4:11 PM in reply to: #4413608 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? JM2 - 2012-09-16 1:48 PM I know it doesn't exactly fit in, but I really want to do it, it's a killer race, fun. I've been doing some speed sessions in addition to the longer slow stuff so I'm not sure injury is much of a concern, I wouldn't go 100% in it. Other than not doing it, sounds like you're recommending not missing either long ride/run for that weekend? Hmm. So I'd keep both long run and ride in. Assuming your long ride is Sat and long run is Sunday, and the sprint is Sat 10/6, then I'd do the race Saturday morning then. Shorten the long Saturday ride by an hour or 90 minutes (seeing how you feel after the race). And plan for a slightly shorter (15 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 miles type) shorter run Sunday. |
| 2012-09-16 4:29 PM in reply to: #4413518 |
Master 1704 Charlotte | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? Do the sprint and then ride 100m home (no red font). You look to be over doing the running and going lightly on the bike. Move some of those run hours to bike hours IMHO (which isn't worth .02). |
| 2012-09-16 4:58 PM in reply to: #4413636 |
Master 2855 Kailua, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Ditch long ride/run for IM? brucemorgan - 2012-09-16 11:11 AM JM2 - 2012-09-16 1:48 PM I know it doesn't exactly fit in, but I really want to do it, it's a killer race, fun. I've been doing some speed sessions in addition to the longer slow stuff so I'm not sure injury is much of a concern, I wouldn't go 100% in it. Other than not doing it, sounds like you're recommending not missing either long ride/run for that weekend? Hmm. So I'd keep both long run and ride in. Assuming your long ride is Sat and long run is Sunday, and the sprint is Sat 10/6, then I'd do the race Saturday morning then. Shorten the long Saturday ride by an hour or 90 minutes (seeing how you feel after the race). And plan for a slightly shorter (15 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 miles type) shorter run Sunday.
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