Workout music swap

Sign me up! I'm also game for the odd swapping of MP3 files over the web too. It's kind of impractical to swap 20 files, but the occasional "1-for1" would be cool.

OK, cool, so Group #1=
Possum (Hollis)
Max (max)

I'll be doing the "really loud angry" motivational tunes.

bts

Edited by Brett 2005-09-20 10:27 AM

Yeah, just what I need, anger! I'll leave this for a few days and by Friday, hopefully we'll have a nice list!

I'll play if there's still room. I assume you'll PM people with the address, etc.?

Not to put a damper on your idea, but you know this is illegal right?

I'm in! I love working out to music, and love getting new tunes.

I'm in. I'll contribute techno/dance/mashups.



Well, only if you believe the lawyers for the interested parties. It's always been legal (by default) to make analog mix tapes, since there are "substantial uninfringing uses" for the technology, and because it's impossible to track or prohibit such uses. I think that the creation and distribution of mix tapes is a right that should be defended as long as possible.

"There is balance between law, norms, market, and architecture. The
law limits the ability to copy and share content, by imposing penalties
on those who copy and share content. Those penalties are reinforced by
technologies that make it hard to copy and share content (architecture)
and expensive to copy and share content (market). Finally, those penal-ties
are mitigated by norms we all recognize—kids, for example, taping
other kids' records. These uses of copyrighted material may well be in-fringement,
but the norms of our society (before the Internet, at least)
had no problem with this form of infringement. "

Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture, page 137

Like I said, it's against the law to distribute copyrighted materials. I'm not here to argue whether it's the accepted norm to infringe on these copyrights or not by either copying CDs, tapes, videos, or DVDs and then distribute/share them as a whole or part as against copyright law. Yes, the internet has made the task of protecting those copyrights harder but it doesn't make it right.

Define "right".

legal.

In that case, let's just loan them to each other.

Define "legal".

I believe that substantially non-infringing, non-commercial re-use of intellectual property that I have purchased is legal under fair use provisions of existing copyright law. Some lawyers, jurists and pundits agree with me. Some do not. This is not to say that piracy, or theft, of recorded music isn't occuring on the internet and elsewhere; it totally is, and that is specifically illegal. But I don't think that sharing mix tapes with your friends is illegal; in fact, I think not only that it is legal, but that it is a social norm.

So if I buy a CD and play it in my car, I have to charge my passengers a fee and submit it as royalties to the artist if they are allowed to listen to the music. A radio station does just that. What you say? The radio station is making money from advertisers, so there is a profit involved? OK, then I'm driving a taxi or limo and playing music in it while I make money off my customers. So I have to submit a royalty in this case?

I go the the baseball game and they play canned music between innings. The ball park is making money. They pay a royalty for each song that's played?

The library pays a royalty to the author every time someone borrows a book?

This nonsense would have all been avoided but for the RIAA doomsayers who did nothing but mimic the movie making industry when they predicted the death of movie theaters with the invention of the Sony beta-max and then the vhs VCR's.

Count me in.

cool. sounds like we have a good crowd. as far as the illegal thing goes...sigh...I am a librarian, and I suggest this idea knowing full well what copyright and intellectual property law allow.

I also shudder at the notion that "right" ="legal." It was legal in Germany to kill Jews. It is legal in this country to get so drunk you have to have your stomach pumped. It is legal for to keep raising rents in poor communities to drive out citizens to make room for gentrifiers. And gay marriage is currently illegal in my country and this, to me, is NOT right... So if you want to argue that it is illegal, fine, but please please don;t tell me that right and legal are the same....

Furthermore, I have always found when swapping mixtapes that I find a new band I enjoy. And I frequently then go buy the full album. This is exactly why so many artists give away a single or two.

You make some good points Hollis. I wish I could have said it as well as you did. I find do the same...swap a couple tunes with someone and then end up going out to get the CD's because I like the artist so much. I did that with Bruce Cockburn. After downloading a couple of his songs from the web, I ended up going to 2 of his concerts (a third coming up on Oct. 21) and buying (so far) 12 of his CD's.

BTW, gay marriage is legal in Massachusetts! We could always use more BT-ers here you know!!

That is my argument.

Too many people involved yet?  If not - I'll play too. 

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