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2008-01-24 11:45 AM

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Subject: Stick to the Plan Challenge
Hey all,

I'm looking for someone or a group of peope to help push me with a schedule I'll be starting Feb 1. I plan to follow the 2x2 16 week program by the letter. I also plan on working in light strength training on Tuesday and Thursday. In the 2x2 schedule Tuesday is off and Thursday is the short run. Tuesday would be the "push" day. Chest, Tris, and Shoulders. Thursday would be the "Pull" day. Back and Bis. We could structure exact exercises if people wanted to or just go it alone on the lifting. If people wanted to follow the 2x2 but not lift than I can live with that too! We'd still have Saturday as a complete day off for rest.

Who's with me?!? Come June 1st we'll be unstoppable. For middle of the pack sprinters that is!

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2008-01-25 9:11 AM
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Subject: RE: 2x2 - 16 Week Challenge
Is this too easy for everyone?
2008-01-26 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: 2x2 - 16 Week Challenge
Hi rcberto,

Are you looking to do a Strength Training Challenge?

Did you know that BT has a forum for Strength Training? They are doing a February Challenge over there. I don't know the details, but here's a link to the forum:
http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=...

There's also going to be a Feb challenge on this forum, where you have a goal for running (or biking or swimming). So actually, you can participate in more than one challenge, if you want. (The link for this one is at the top of the Challenge forum.

Of course, you're always welcome to start your own challenges! (Especially if you have a different "idea" in mind.) But I wasn't sure if you knew about these other two options, so I thought I'd mention them.

Good luck! You've got some great goals.

Dee


Edited by D001 2008-01-26 9:39 AM
2008-01-29 5:48 AM
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Subject: RE: 2x2 - 16 Week Challenge

Hi Rob,

Are you still interested in doing something along these lines?

Here's my suggestion for a "stick to the plan" challenge: it doesn't matter which plan anyone is following, but at the beginning of each month we sign up to a set training schedule (in my case it's the sprint 2x run focused plan with a couple of modifications).

Then each week we score how we did against plan: 1 point for each "main" training session completed (run, bike, swim) and 0.5 point for each "broader" training session (e.g. core, yoga, strength).

At the end of each week, we work out how we've done as a percentage (actual versus planned and it doesn't matter if you don't do your training on the exact day as long as it's done in the week) and the winner and loser each update their signature lines for the following week. This evens out any differences in plans. Each week ends on Sunday and if it's not logged it doesn't count. We report weekly progress in this thread and send inspires/issue smack talk along the way.

At the end of the challenge (June 1 works for me), the overall winner is the person who has won the most weeks along the way. Pinching an idea from the dog-eat-dog challenge, the loser makes a donation to the winner's charity of choice to a total of $1 for each week the winner won. (Does that make sense?? And it would need to be an international charity - or an international equivalent - because I'm in the UK!)

How does that sound?

cheers,
Gill

2008-01-29 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: 2x2 - 16 Week Challenge

Some further refinements to the challenge:

  1. Broader training sessions are capped at 5 per week (even if you plan to do more)
  2. All training sessions have to be planned and you have to specify whether you measure your plan in time or distance (usually this is specified by the original BT plan)
  3. Extending a training session (main or broader) doesn't get you any extra credit in this challenge
  4. Doing training that isn't in your plan (as you define and log it each month; not necessarily as downloaded from BT) doesn't get you any extra credit in this challenge

So an example (using my planned and actual training last week):

I planned to attend 2 swimming training sessions, go for 3 runs (14, 19 & 24 mins) and 2 bike rides (48 & 29 mins), and complete 3 core training sessions. That's a possible total of 7 main sessions and 3 broader sessions which makes 8.5 points.

I did all my runs (although I switched one run from Thursday to Sunday), did both bike rides, missed one swimming session and skipped one core training day - which makes 6 + 1 = 7.

My score for the week would be 82.3% - this would beat someone who planned for 4 main sessions and only did 3 (75%) but lose to someone who planned for 8 sessions and did 7 (87.5%). All of these would lose to anyone who completed all their planned training!

The key to making this work will be making sure all planned and actual training are logged. Turning on the planned vs actual graph on our blogs would also be good!

(I'll look for the link on loading amended BT plans and post it here later tonight.)

2008-01-29 4:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
I just had a better idea for more people to join.  If no one else joins we can just add up the points as detailed above.  Dee or Gillyfev, please feel free (or ask me to) move this to another thread.
This challenge is called the “Survivor Challenge”.  It goes like this:
It doesn't matter which plan anyone is following, but at the beginning of each month of the challenge we each sign up to a set training schedule.  At the end of each week, anyone who has not completed every planned session is eliminated Survivor style.  The last person standing is the BT Survivor!
·        Training schedules can also include “cross-training” sessions (e.g yoga, strength, etc.)
·        Training sessions must be identified as either distance or time.
·        It doesn’t matter if you don't do your training on the exact day as long as it's done in that week.
·        Weeks are Monday to Sunday.
·        If it's not logged it doesn't count.
·        We report weekly progress in this thread and send inspires/issue smack talk along the way.
·        Doing training that isn't in your plan (as you define and log it each month) doesn't get you any extra credit in this challenge.
We still need to finalize how to track actual vs planned.



2008-01-29 5:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
rcberto - 2008-01-29 5:35 PM
Dee or Gillyfev, please feel free (or ask me to) move this to another thread.
This challenge is called the “Survivor Challenge”. It goes like this:....


Hi rcberto,

Your choice. You can either add it here, or start a new thread. Whichever you prefer.

If you need anything "stickied" to the top of the forum, or "unstickied," or if you need a name change (which is what Gill requested for this thread), you can just let us know.

Dee

2008-01-29 10:05 PM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
I'll leave that up to Gill.  After all, she's my motivation.  If others don't latch onto the survivor theme then I will just have to beat Gill!  Right Gill!?  Right?
2008-01-30 7:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge

As much as I like the survivor idea, I think I would struggle to last a month of 100% training. (Probably shouldn't admit that to you before we start our "stick to the plan" challenge...) But because I'm quite competitive, what I would probably end up doing is only committing to two-thirds or three-quarters of my planned training and that's not really good for me or the challenge.

So for this challenge, can we stick to our original idea? With the added condition of no "sand-bagging".

And yes, you still have to beat me!!

 

2008-01-30 7:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge

Useful links for this challenge:

Importing planned training:
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=1066

And general link to training log help:
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/index.asp?catid=122

2008-01-31 7:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge

OK, my February plan looks like this: calendar view

Bring it on Rob!! Laughing

DateBike (mins)Run (mins)Swim (mins)Other
1-10 Febx4 (29, 29, 48,29)x3 (14, 19, 24)x2 (training club)4 (core: 3 sets of 22 reps)
11-17x2 (53, 28)x3 (16, 21, 26)x2 (training club)3 (3 x 24 reps)
18-240 (away on business)x3 (17, 23, 29)x2 (training club)3 (3 x 26 reps)
25-29 (Rest week)0 (away on business)x3 (17, 17, 17)0 (away)2 (3 x 22 reps)



Edited by gillyfev 2008-01-31 7:26 AM


2008-01-31 9:39 AM
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Alright Gilly.  Here is my schedule for February.  Best of luck to us!

 

Date  Bike (mins) Run (mins) Swim (mins) Strength (mins)Yoga 
 Feb 1-10 x3(40,24,40) x3(20,12,20) x2(12,20) x2(45,45) x1(60)
 11-17 x2(26,44) x2(13,22) x2(13,22) x2(45,45) x1(60)
 18-24 x2(29,48) x2(14,24) x2(14,24) x2(45,45) x1(60)
 25-29 x2(29,29) x2(14,14) x2(14,14) x2(45,45) x1(60)

The strength is a push/pull schedule.  Tuesday is chest/tris/shoulders and Thursday is Back/bis/legs.  I'll work in core throughout the week here and there but won't count it as another "session".   I will also commit to one yoga session a week but don't know which day that will be.  Likely on Wednesday since that day is real light.

 

2008-02-01 4:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
Wow, way to go guys! Sounds like a  great challenge.  Good luck!
2008-02-01 9:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge

Thanks Tammy.

 Alright Gilly, I've done my first planned workout!

2008-02-03 3:01 PM
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OK, so the one thing we didn't consider was how we're going to treat injuries and illness. Needless to say I don't advocate training while ill or injured, and this is now a current issue for me as I've got a throat infection .

Now I know most challenges (the monthly variety) just let people drop ill/injured days from their training, but because this is a smaller challenge with weekly goals how about the following: if you can't train on a given day because of illness or injury, you can either try to make it up during the week or score 0.8/0.4 for any training on that day.

Let me know what you think.

2008-02-04 7:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
I think if you are sick or injured that day's plan should be forgiven.  So, don't worry about it.  Just get better!


2008-02-05 12:54 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
I would like in on this. My coach sends me usually a few weeks worth at a time. I have this weeks up and will import it tomorrow. Great challenge as I need consistency.
2008-02-05 3:40 AM
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Superb, welcome to the game - I'm sure Rob needs some kicking as I've been too sick this week to dish out any smack

wait, damn it, it looks like he's on plan...

2008-02-05 9:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
Bring it on Sherm!  It's only been a few days but I haven't missed a planned workout yet.  Strength training today!  Hope you feel better Gilly. 
2008-02-05 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Stick to the Plan (Feb-June) Challenge
I'm in for a challenge. I'm following the sprint 3x balanced 16 week plan. I just started week 2 of the plan. Trying to follow it exactly and adding in yoga 2x.
2008-02-05 11:46 AM
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Welcome aboard Gator.  What do you guys think is the best way to track all this?  Honor system?  We all keep track of our schedules and post how we're doing and deliver smack/inspires here and on training logs?  When you miss a workout (unless you are a sick or injured) you post it here.  Each workout missed is a "demerit".  The person with the least demerits is the winner?  All the losers post something in their signature at the end of May?  Or each month?


2008-02-05 12:57 PM
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Sounds perfect to me. Checking logs is an easy way to keep up with each other. And I think posting when we miss will be a good deterrent. "Demerits" sound like an easy way to keep track of everything too. Now what's the reward/punishment?
2008-02-05 1:14 PM
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Welcome aboard!

I think I need more frequent checks for this challenge than monthly. At the end of each week, lets post our progress here (with the logs available to verify). The original plan was for "core" workouts (run, bike, swim) to count for 1 point and additional workouts (yoga, abs work, strength, etc) to count for 0.5.

If we each calculate our score for the week as a % then we'll get a fair way to compare progress on different plans. Now that there are 4 of us, each week can produce 2 winners and 2 losers (or more winners if we've all done 100% for that week). We can update our signatures weekly, with the running total of the number of weeks we've won.

Happy to opt for demerits if you think this is too complicated, but that would make life harder for people with longer plans. Let me know what you all think.

2008-02-05 1:50 PM
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OK, we have four now.  This email should serve as the "rules" going forward (of course please hollar if there is something you don't like).  If others join they can just pick up in the current week.  All are welcome.

  • We'll post our schedules monthly in this thread.  Sherm will post his weekly schedule.  Gill, Gator, and I will post monthly.
  • We'll measure progress weekly by % complete.  So, if you had 10 workouts scheduled for the week and actually did 8 you had 80% complete.
  • In the case of injury or illness scheduled workouts are excused.  No need to show a doctors note!
  • We report our progress each Monday morning in this thread.
  • People should be encouraged to issue smack and inspiration on logs and in this thread.
  • The winner(s) of each week will add to their signature "I won the Stick to the Plan challenge this week!"
  • The loser(s) of each week will add to their signature  "I lost the Stick to the Plan challenge this week!".

 Here is Gill's February Schedule:

DateBike (mins)Run (mins)Swim (mins)Other
1-10 Febx4 (29, 29, 48,29)x3 (14, 19, 24)x2 (training club)4 (core: 3 sets of 22 reps)
11-17x2 (53, 28)x3 (16, 21, 26)x2 (training club)3 (3 x 24 reps)
18-240 (away on business)x3 (17, 23, 29)x2 (training club)3 (3 x 26 reps)
25-29 (Rest week)0 (away on business)x3 (17, 17, 17)0 (away)2 (3 x 22 reps)

And Mine:

Date  Bike (mins) Run (mins) Swim (mins) Strength (mins)Yoga 
 Feb 1-10 x3(40,24,40) x3(20,12,20) x2(12,20) x2(45,45) x1(60)
 11-17 x2(26,44) x2(13,22) x2(13,22) x2(45,45) x1(60)
 18-24 x2(29,48) x2(14,24) x2(14,24) x2(45,45) x1(60)
 25-29 x2(29,29) x2(14,14) x2(14,14) x2(45,45) x1(60)

The strength is a push/pull schedule.  Tuesday is chest/tris/shoulders and Thursday is Back/bis/legs.  I'll work in core throughout the week here and there but won't count it as another "session".   I will also commit to one yoga session a week but don't know which day that will be.  Likely on Wednesday since that day is real light.

 Sherm/Gator, please post your plan!  Good luck everyone.  My hope is that we all win each week with 100% complete!

 

2008-02-05 1:55 PM
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All sounds good.

Just to check, anyone with 100% or the person who comes top each week is the weekly winner.

Also, are we going to have an overall result, based on the number of weeks you won along the way?

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