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2008-09-16 1:15 AM

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Subject: Hey Math Majors
Will someone who has a far better head for numbers than me (um, that would be anyone) help me out with this? I'm doing a run/walk program. I want to know my avg paces running and walking. Is this possible?

Example: 1 min run, 2 min walk, x10. Overall pace 12:00 m/m. Is there any way to figure out, or even get a good guess/range, for what my avg run and walk paces are?


2008-09-16 1:38 AM
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At 12:00 min/mile, your average speed is 5 mph. That's all we know. Unfortunately, we're solving for two unknowns here so we have to guess at one. We can take a guess and assume that your walk pace 3.5 mph - this is the average walking pace for the average male. So, in order to average 5 mph, we solve for this equation:

(3.5 + 3.5 + x)/3 = 5, with x being equal to your run pace. Doing the math, you are running at 8 mph, which is a 7:30 mile.

Other geeks, please make sure I did the math right.

Again, this is based on the assumption that you walk at a pace of 3.5 mph.

If you have access to a treadmill, do your run/walk on it and you'll know exactly what your pace is. Go ahead and test out the above calculations and walk for 2 minutes and 3.5 mph, then run for 8 mph. See if this feels close to what you are doing on the road. If it does, then the assumptions were accurate.
2008-09-16 2:46 AM
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Your math is right, but that is assuming that he walks at a 3.5 mph pace. The problem is when solving systems of equations you need the same number of equations that you have number of variables.
2008-09-16 3:12 AM
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Slugger, next time you go for a walk time how long it takes you and work out the distance you walked.  Then, assuming you walk the same pace as you do for your walk breaks during your run it would be easy enough to work out your run pace.
2008-09-16 7:38 AM
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F1longhorn - 2008-09-16 1:46 AM

Your math is right, but that is assuming that he walks at a 3.5 mph pace. The problem is when solving systems of equations you need the same number of equations that you have number of variables.


And your assumption that Slugger is a "he" is incorrect. But aside from that, yeah, what they said.
2008-09-16 7:47 AM
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Slugger - 2008-09-16 2:15 AM Will someone who has a far better head for numbers than me (um, that would be anyone) help me out with this? I'm doing a run/walk program. I want to know my avg paces running and walking. Is this possible? Example: 1 min run, 2 min walk, x10. Overall pace 12:00 m/m. Is there any way to figure out, or even get a good guess/range, for what my avg run and walk paces are?

check it out ->http://www.jeffgalloway.com/training/walk_breaks.html

for a 12 min / mile, galloway recommemds 2mins of running for every 1 minute of walking.  He states that when one walks fast for a minute, one will lose about 15 seconds over running at their regular pace.  But if you walk slowly, you'll have lost only about 20 seconds.

I'm going to try to do the math now and will post it in a minute but I'll guess that you should run about 11:50 mins/ mile (5.07mph) and walk about 17:30 mins/mile (3.5)



2008-09-16 7:57 AM
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If you have a GPS computer (Garmin, Polar, etc.) you can hit the lap button every time you make a change, then, when you downlod the info, you will get an average pace for each "lap".  Another option is the Nike + system.  As far as doing it without fancy equipment, you would have to go ahead and change what you are doing just a touch, or use some really good planning. 

You could use landmarks to change your pacing.  Say you start your run at the intersection of 1st Ave and 1st street and you run for a minute or close to that to 1st Ave and 5th Street.  You start walking and go for two minutes to 1st Ave and 7th Street, repeat a few times so you get enough data to make sure you know that you are not overdoing your normal pace for a short period of time.  You will have to use a stopwatch and carry a small pad to write the times down (I would do this during the walking phase, since it would be easier and prolly simpler to read later).  When  you have enough data, sit down with whichever mapping software you use (BT's works great), and plot the distances that you did each step earlier and compare with the times.  You could then figure the pace for each leg and see what kind of average you are coming up with. 

The problem with this is that it is going to change as you get more fit, but you will see that as you go more distance in the same amount of time. 

2008-09-16 9:12 AM
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http://www.bx3.com/phil/tri/tricalc.asp

You can punch in some numbers and use the tools on this page to help you out. I use my gps for the bike and run but this tool is really helpful on the swim so I don't have to calculate anything on my own.
2008-09-16 9:15 AM
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F1longhorn - 2008-09-16 2:46 AM

Your math is right, but that is assuming that he walks at a 3.5 mph pace. The problem is when solving systems of equations you need the same number of equations that you have number of variables.


Exactly, but since I only had the one equation, I had to guess at the walking pace.
2008-09-16 9:16 AM
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lodewey - 2008-09-16 7:38 AM

F1longhorn - 2008-09-16 1:46 AM

Your math is right, but that is assuming that he walks at a 3.5 mph pace. The problem is when solving systems of equations you need the same number of equations that you have number of variables.


And your assumption that Slugger is a "he" is incorrect. But aside from that, yeah, what they said.


My apologies to Slugger.
2008-09-16 12:52 PM
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My Garmin has interval settings (time and rest time) and will berak it down for each segment.  Maybe you can borrow one from someone and get a very accurate reading


2008-09-16 2:50 PM
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The problem is that you can run a little faster and walk a little slower so that it can still average out to 12 m/m.  Here is a formula for run pace (PR) given walk pace (PW).

PR=4*PW/(PW-8)

Given any walking pace greater than 8 minute per mile this will give the corresponding run pace.  Plug in a fast walk, say 15 m/m for PW, you get at brisk 8:34 m/m pace.  For a slow walk, say 30 m/m, you get lung searing 5:27 m/m pace. 

An interesting thing happens at a walking pace of 8 m/m.  Admittedly that is a pretty fast walk.  In the two minute walking time at that pace, you have covered as much distance as a 12 m/m average pace permits, so you have 1 min running time yet to go but no distance to cover.  You have to go infinitely slowly to make it average out.  Fun stuff. 

Have fun out there and do your math homework.  It might come in handy.

TW

 

2008-09-17 4:52 AM
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After having read some of those posts two (three...four...ish) times, you are saying exactly what I thought. Which is to say, "it depends" and "you can only sorta tell." tech-geezer, I'll have you know I did my math homework (usually...sometimes...ish)! But I have NEVER been able to hold it in my head. I'm great at math when I'm learning/practicing, but as soon as I'm not using it, it evaporates. So there!

lodewey, thanks. MiketheBear, no prob. Camo taser doesn't really give much indication, eh?

I have a GPS, but it is a hiking GPS, which means it either doesn't have a lap function, or it is buried solidly enough that I can't find it. I tried doing way points every time I stopped, which theoretically should do it, but it doesn't save any of the time/speed info with the track, so it was kinda miserable to figure out and I gave up. I really want one of the spiffy running models, but that would be a completely gratuitous toy (meaning I want it even more!).

Thanks for your responses.
2008-09-17 7:50 AM
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In Jeff Galloway's book, he says that for every minute per mile that you walk, you add approximately :20 to your overall pace for that mile. So if you are running 8 min an walking 2 and doing a mile in twelve minutes, then you are running approximately a 11:20 pace.
2008-09-17 9:48 AM
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I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread!!! I just had REALLY BAD FLASHBACKS to my days of math trauma....I still don't know where the h$ll Train A and Train B meet if one is going 55mph and the other 65mph......gaaaaahhhh!!!
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