McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

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Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 12:28 PM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Just like he "knows" how to win wars. Yet it seems he has not shared that information with our president.

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David tri's - 2008-10-08 12:30 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 12:28 PM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Just like he "knows" how to win wars. Yet it seems he has not shared that information with our president.

I'm not entirely sure that our president would listen to him...

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if Bin Laden turns himself does he get the reward money??

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I think that this falls into the category of "Need to Know"

Not telling the President keeps him safe ( Because he won't have to liquidate him after he tells him) and also provides the pres with some political cover should things get a little pear shaped.

I am guessing that his idea might not all be legal, but given that he has yet to state his position on the concept of "Extraordinary Rendition" or "Pre-Emptive War", I guess anything and everything is "On the Table".

Edited by WaterDog66 2008-10-08 11:40 AM

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akustix - 2008-10-08 12:37 PM

David tri's - 2008-10-08 12:30 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 12:28 PM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Just like he "knows" how to win wars. Yet it seems he has not shared that information with our president.

I'm not entirely sure that our president would listen to him...

-B

Sure, but only becasue McCain couldn't get his attention.

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Subject: RE: McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

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triturn - 2008-10-08 2:10 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

depends, is he or isn't he driving "the straight talk express?"

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Subject: RE: McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

triturn - 2008-10-08 2:10 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

I think Fatdoggy's point is that if McCain knows how to get Bin Laden he really ought to tell the commander-in-chief how to do it. Then Bin Laden can be captured and brought to justice.

If McCain does not know how to get Bin Laden then he should keep his mouth shut, not say he does know how and when asked, change the subject-as all politicians are very adept at doing.

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Subject: RE: McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

David tri's - 2008-10-08 1:51 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 2:10 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

I think Fatdoggy's point is that if McCain knows how to get Bin Laden he really ought to tell the commander-in-chief how to do it. Then Bin Laden can be captured and brought to justice.

If McCain does not know how to get Bin Laden then he should keep his mouth shut, not say he does know how and when asked, change the subject-as all politicians are very adept at doing.

I got his point. Here's mine:

"We will kill Bin Laden, we will crush al-Qaeda," Barack Obama said Tuesday as he faced John McCain in their second head-to-head presidential debate.

Tell me how Obama...

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Subject: RE: McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

triturn - 2008-10-08 3:06 PM

David tri's - 2008-10-08 1:51 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 2:10 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

I think Fatdoggy's point is that if McCain knows how to get Bin Laden he really ought to tell the commander-in-chief how to do it. Then Bin Laden can be captured and brought to justice.

If McCain does not know how to get Bin Laden then he should keep his mouth shut, not say he does know how and when asked, change the subject-as all politicians are very adept at doing.

I got his point. Here's mine: "We will kill Bin Laden, we will crush al-Qaeda," Barack Obama said Tuesday as he faced John McCain in their second head-to-head presidential debate. Tell me how Obama... crickets

The huge difference is that Obama's statement was preceded by another:

"IF we have Bin Laden in our sights and Pakistan is unable or unwilling to act, then...."

I'm qu0ting from memory, so I may have some words jumbled.

McCain's statement stands by itself. It struck me as a BS line which panders to those who think that just because McCain served in the military and was a POW he somehow has some "secret knowledge" on how to "get bin Laden." And for the record, I absolutely respect that he served and was a POW. I just don't think it automatically makes him any smarter or better suited to be POTUS.

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Subject: RE: McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

triturn - 2008-10-08 2:06 PM

David tri's - 2008-10-08 1:51 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 2:10 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

I think Fatdoggy's point is that if McCain knows how to get Bin Laden he really ought to tell the commander-in-chief how to do it. Then Bin Laden can be captured and brought to justice.

If McCain does not know how to get Bin Laden then he should keep his mouth shut, not say he does know how and when asked, change the subject-as all politicians are very adept at doing.

I got his point. Here's mine: "We will kill Bin Laden, we will crush al-Qaeda," Barack Obama said Tuesday as he faced John McCain in their second head-to-head presidential debate. Tell me how Obama... crickets

I think he's said several times, that he intends to do this by reducing the drain of Iraq on our military assets, so they can be better focused on Afghanistan, AlQaeda, and the hunt for bin Laden ( since none of those three are addressed by our involvement in Iraq ).

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Subject: RE: McCain "Knows" How To Get Bin Laden?

triturn - 2008-10-08 12:06 PM

David tri's - 2008-10-08 1:51 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 2:10 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 11:28 AM

Isn't that what he said? He "knows" how to get him, my friends and he will get him. (paraphrasing).

Really? Has he been keeping this a secret the last 7 years?

Nothing on factcheck about that! ;-)

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_2.html

Would you rather him say "I have no idea how to get him and we won't get him"?

I think Fatdoggy's point is that if McCain knows how to get Bin Laden he really ought to tell the commander-in-chief how to do it. Then Bin Laden can be captured and brought to justice.

If McCain does not know how to get Bin Laden then he should keep his mouth shut, not say he does know how and when asked, change the subject-as all politicians are very adept at doing.

I got his point. Here's mine:

"We will kill Bin Laden, we will crush al-Qaeda," Barack Obama said Tuesday as he faced John McCain in their second head-to-head presidential debate.

Tell me how Obama...

crickets

Isn't this something on which McCain has been hitting Obama? Obama says that if there's sound intelligence as to Bin Laden's (and other terrorists') whereabouts in Pakistan, and if Pakistan won't act on that intelligence, he'd direct our forces to strike. McCain says that this is tantamount to announcing our intention to attack Pakistan.

Also: what coredump and Fatdoggy said.

Edited by puellasolis 2008-10-08 2:22 PM

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McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan.

"Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.

I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory."

McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

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triturn - 2008-10-08 4:33 PM McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan. "Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan. I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory." McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

I do not have that lifetime of studying war either, so maybe you could tell me where McCain thinks he is going to get the troops to increase our presence in Afghanistan while we are still in Iraq? Will he be pulling them out of the same cave he knows Bin Laden is hiding in? Or are you suggesting McCain thinks we should wait until we are "done" in Iraq before we redeploy troops to Afghanistan?

Regardless, the point of my original post was that this was a ridiculous statement for McCain to make.

Edited by Fatdoggy 2008-10-08 3:39 PM

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triturn - 2008-10-08 1:33 PM

McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan.

"Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.

I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory."

McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

Didn't General McKiernan say that the surge principles that were applied in Iraq can't be applied as such in Afghanistan?

"Afghanistan is not Iraq," said Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led ground forces during the 2003 Iraq invasion and took over four months ago as head of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan.

Speaking in Washington yesterday, McKiernan described Afghanistan as "a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq." The country's mountainous terrain, rural population, poverty, illiteracy, 400 major tribal networks and history of civil war all make for unique challenges, he said.

"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution.

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Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 3:37 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 4:33 PM McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan. "Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan. I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory." McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

I do not have that lifetime of studying war either, so maybe you could tell me where McCain thinks he is going to get the troops to increase our presence in Afghanistan while we are still in Iraq? Will he be pulling them out of the same cave he knows Bin Laden is hiding in? Or are you suggesting McCain thinks we should wait until we are "done" in Iraq before we redeploy troops to Afghanistan?

Regardless, the point of my original post was that this was a ridiculous statement for McCain to make.

Why are you assuming that the only way to get bin Laden if by deploying more troops to Afghanistan? My take is that what John McCain is implying, but would never say publicly so as to p*ss off the Pakistan people, is that he would send in a small contingent of special forces to find and kill bin Laden when they have intelligence indicating where he is in the Pakistan mountains.

If you saw this week's "60 Minutes" you would have learned that this is how they already got very close to nailing him and likely injured him.

It would be done with the silent complicity of the Pakistan government, but without the knowledge of the Pakistan people, who would not stand for such a mission by a foreign entity. That's why he criticized Obama for saying we should just go in and do it, whether Pakistan would agree to it or not, as a politically clumsy way to achieve the same outcome.

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SweetK - 2008-10-08 3:55 PM

scoobysdad - 2008-10-08 4:51 PM

Fatdoggy - 2008-10-08 3:37 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 4:33 PM McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan. "Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan. I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory." McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

I do not have that lifetime of studying war either, so maybe you could tell me where McCain thinks he is going to get the troops to increase our presence in Afghanistan while we are still in Iraq? Will he be pulling them out of the same cave he knows Bin Laden is hiding in? Or are you suggesting McCain thinks we should wait until we are "done" in Iraq before we redeploy troops to Afghanistan?

Regardless, the point of my original post was that this was a ridiculous statement for McCain to make.

Why are you assuming that the only way to get bin Laden if by deploying more troops to Afghanistan? My take is that what John McCain is implying, but would never say publicly so as to p*ss off the Pakistan people, is that he would send in a small contingent of special forces to find and kill bin Laden when they have intelligence indicating where he is in the Pakistan mountains.

If you saw this week's "60 Minutes" you would have learned that this is how they already got very close to nailing him and likely injured him.

It would be done with the silent complicity of the Pakistan government, but without the knowledge of the Pakistan people, who would not stand for such a mission by a foreign entity. That's why he criticized Obama for saying we should just go in and do it, whether Pakistan would agree to it or not, as a politically clumsy way to achieve the same outcome.

Bomb, bomb Iran...

Nuke North Korea...

yeah...McCain walks softly....

But his running mate agreed with Obama before she didn't... McCain flips too much.

He says it last night there, it comes out today here. How does that in any way contribute to a thoughtful discussion?

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puellasolis - 2008-10-08 3:38 PM

triturn - 2008-10-08 1:33 PM

McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan.

"Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan.

I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory."

McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

Didn't General McKiernan say that the surge principles that were applied in Iraq can't be applied as such in Afghanistan?

"Afghanistan is not Iraq," said Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led ground forces during the 2003 Iraq invasion and took over four months ago as head of the NATO-led coalition in Afghanistan.

Speaking in Washington yesterday, McKiernan described Afghanistan as "a far more complex environment than I ever found in Iraq." The country's mountainous terrain, rural population, poverty, illiteracy, 400 major tribal networks and history of civil war all make for unique challenges, he said.

"The word I don't use for Afghanistan is 'surge,' " McKiernan stressed, saying that what is required is a "sustained commitment" to a counterinsurgency effort that could last many years and would ultimately require a political, not military, solution.

(link)

The surge strategy is more than just an increase in troops. It's a dedicated effort to stabilize a situation while the local forces (160,000 Afghanis) are trained and deployed. It also uses local tribes and militias to counter the enemy wherever possible. It would also require NATO forces to actually take on some offensive roles in the area. Plus, the 3 additional US Brigades will help.

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scoobysdad - 2008-10-08 1:57 PM

SweetK - 2008-10-08 3:55 PM

scoobysdad - 2008-10-08 4:51 PM

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triturn - 2008-10-08 4:33 PM McCain has for 3 combat brigades to be sent to Afghanistan and for Afghan Army forces to be doubled to 160,000. He also says the improving security situation in Iraq a blueprint for success in Afghanistan. "Sen. Obama will tell you we can't win in Afghanistan without losing in Iraq. In fact, he has it exactly backwards. It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan. I know how to win wars. And if I'm elected president, I will turn around the war in Afghanistan, just as we have turned around the war in Iraq, with a comprehensive strategy for victory." McCain's experience as a military man is precisely why he is more qualified to get Bin Laden. I seriously doubt that Obama studied military history, tactics, and war strategy while at Harvard or on the job as a community organizer. McCain has spent a lifetime studying and implementing things while at the Academy, in war, and while in the Senate.

I do not have that lifetime of studying war either, so maybe you could tell me where McCain thinks he is going to get the troops to increase our presence in Afghanistan while we are still in Iraq? Will he be pulling them out of the same cave he knows Bin Laden is hiding in? Or are you suggesting McCain thinks we should wait until we are "done" in Iraq before we redeploy troops to Afghanistan?

Regardless, the point of my original post was that this was a ridiculous statement for McCain to make.

Why are you assuming that the only way to get bin Laden if by deploying more troops to Afghanistan? My take is that what John McCain is implying, but would never say publicly so as to p*ss off the Pakistan people, is that he would send in a small contingent of special forces to find and kill bin Laden when they have intelligence indicating where he is in the Pakistan mountains.

If you saw this week's "60 Minutes" you would have learned that this is how they already got very close to nailing him and likely injured him.

It would be done with the silent complicity of the Pakistan government, but without the knowledge of the Pakistan people, who would not stand for such a mission by a foreign entity. That's why he criticized Obama for saying we should just go in and do it, whether Pakistan would agree to it or not, as a politically clumsy way to achieve the same outcome.

Bomb, bomb Iran...

Nuke North Korea...

yeah...McCain walks softly....

But his running mate agreed with Obama before she didn't... McCain flips too much.

He says it last night there, it comes out today here. How does that in any way contribute to a thoughtful discussion?

Framing aside, the question of whether or not McCain is reckless is, I think, a pertinent one in choosing the person who's going to be at the helm with his finger on the button. McCain said last night, and I agree, that we need "a steady hand at the tiller." From what I've seen of McCain, especially lately, I don't think he's a steady hand; he hasn't shown to my satisfaction that he has a cool head in the face of upheaval and potential crisis, and that makes me anxious about the possibility of a McCain presidency.

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