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2009-02-21 8:44 AM

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Subject: Lat Pull Downs?

Hey!

I have a question about Lat Pull Downs. 

Do you do them up front or behind the head?  

Thanks!

Stef



2009-02-21 11:41 AM
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You can do either.  I prefer pulling the bar down to the top of my chest while pulling my elbows back (like I'm trying to make my shoulder blades touch each other).
2009-02-21 4:52 PM
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Front. It targets the lat muscles better and is easier on the shoulders.
2009-02-23 11:46 AM
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2009-02-23 2:20 PM
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I do them in the front too....so much better. It just doesn't feel right to do them behind my head.


2009-02-23 2:27 PM
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2009-03-02 5:59 AM
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I agree with the other posters here.....keep the bar in front of your head and it'll greatly reduce the chances of injury.  If you have really flexible shoulders and strong muscles around the shoulder girdle, you might be ok, but why take the chance?
2009-03-17 10:07 AM
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After two herniated disks in my neck from a car accident I was told by my PT in no uncertain terms that I was never, ever to do a lat pull down behind my head. 
2009-03-17 12:56 PM
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I do both.
2009-03-24 4:00 PM
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I agree that pulldowns should be done in the front.  Sitting here, just putting my arms behind me to where I would do a pull down behind my neck, and I can tell its not a comfortable position for my shoulders.

Further, behind the neck requires a wider grip.  Typically, a wider grip will recruit your biceps less--unless your a bodybuilder (and probably even then), I think its best to recruit as many different muscles in the motion as possible.  An extreme wide-grip pulldown isolates the lats much more, and you wind up needing to do curls or something else which targets your biceps.  With a medium-grip front pulldown, you can work out both your lats and biceps, and be done in half the time (along with other benefits of compound movements).



2009-03-27 6:07 PM
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It sounds like the consensus is to do them to the front. 

I have a related question.  When I do them, they seem to target the muscles in my arms rather than emphasizing the back as they should.  Am I possibly doing them incorrectly?  I tend to lean back slightly on the bench and pull the bar straight down to my chest.  I do some with a wide grip and some with a narrow grip.  I can't seem to target my back well enough, however...

2009-03-27 6:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Lat Pull Downs?
Following Mark Allen's core weight set, do the front.  Weight should be comfortable enough to do 10 - 15 reps without exhaustion, but heavy enough to work hard enough to gain benefit.  The end of the pull is about "nipple level".  Positive pull (the pull down) takes about 2 seconds, and negative return pull takes about 4 seconds.
2009-03-27 7:14 PM
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BHannahs - 2009-03-27 6:07 PM

It sounds like the consensus is to do them to the front. 

I have a related question.  When I do them, they seem to target the muscles in my arms rather than emphasizing the back as they should.  Am I possibly doing them incorrectly?  I tend to lean back slightly on the bench and pull the bar straight down to my chest.  I do some with a wide grip and some with a narrow grip.  I can't seem to target my back well enough, however...

Are your palms facing towards you or away?  If your palms are facing towards you, your biceps are in a stronger position, and you should be able to do more work with less stress on them.  (Think of doing curls with your palms towards you or away; typically one can lift much more with palms towards them).

You might also consider getting a different exercise.  Does your gym have a t-bar row?  Or surely it has a cable row, meaning you sit and pull the weight in front of you to your chest?  As we have been discussing, all exercises don't work for all people.  I never really liked the lat-pull down; I much prefer doing pull-ups after some t-bar rows, these seem to hit my back and bicep very well.

2009-03-31 12:25 AM
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CGunz - 2009-03-27 5:14 PM

Are your palms facing towards you or away?

They better be facing away. Quick test: with palms facing away from you, reach your hands all the way up. Got that? Now, with your hands still all the way up, turn your your hands so your palms are facing towards you. Good luck with that.

2009-03-31 2:54 PM
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BHannahs - 2009-03-27 6:07 PM

It sounds like the consensus is to do them to the front. 

I have a related question.  When I do them, they seem to target the muscles in my arms rather than emphasizing the back as they should.  Am I possibly doing them incorrectly?  I tend to lean back slightly on the bench and pull the bar straight down to my chest.  I do some with a wide grip and some with a narrow grip.  I can't seem to target my back well enough, however...

I had the same problem, a guy at my gym helped me out. Try sitting a little straighter, you may have to lower the weight, and when you pull down try to imagine you are trying to squish a grape between your shoulder blades. Helped me out!!



2009-03-31 3:39 PM
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CGunz - 2009-03-27 5:14 PM

Are your palms facing towards you or away?

They better be facing away. Quick test: with palms facing away from you, reach your hands all the way up. Got that? Now, with your hands still all the way up, turn your your hands so your palms are facing towards you. Good luck with that.

Being able to hold your arms above your head at a certain position and hanging on a bar/pulling on a bar are separate things.  A lifter's biceps are in a much stronger position with palms towards him/her, and the OP was that this person's biceps are feeling the lift too much.  So if he puts his biceps in a stronger position, they will be stressed less. 

2009-04-22 8:38 AM
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COSkiGirl - 2009-03-17 11:07 AM After two herniated disks in my neck from a car accident I was told by my PT in no uncertain terms that I was never, ever to do a lat pull down behind my head. 

Amen brother, the only time a bar goes behind my head is for squats........and even then it will not be all the time

2009-08-19 7:52 PM
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Dont sit like your sitting in a chair. Try and slide your feet behind you to keep from leaning back. Look straight at the ceiling and you will get a better squeeze in your lats. Behind the neck will eventually ruin your cuffs.
2009-08-20 1:56 AM
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x2 on squeezing your shoulder blades together. I had the same problem - I have to really focus to get the right muscles. I find some machines easier to achieve the right motion than others. Maybe try some different equipment? Incidentally, I have the same problems with pushups, having to really focus to hit the right muscle groups. Guess I gotta work on that form!
2009-08-20 7:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Lat Pull Downs?
I never been a fan of any behind the neck exercise, it put too much stress to the shoulder joint. For developing the lateral muscle, I personally uses the lat pull down to the front, pull-ups, db row.

One tip I can share is to pull the bar with your index and middle finger on pronated grip (palm facing out) instead of the normal grip where you use all 4 fingers to pull the bar. This will isolate the lat more by excluding the biceps from all the pulling. Use straps if your grip is not strong enough, keep your ring finger and pinky as support.


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