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Subject: Weening off the bad food
So i am just starting to train for my first triathlon as a motivation to get serious about losing weight.  I've hovered around 200lbs for as long as i can remember, though recently it's gone as high as 215lbs and that's when i knew i really had to do somethings about it.  I signed up to do Team in training which lays out a pretty rigorous training schedule for the next 4 months so i think i'm pretty set on the exercise portion...my big problem is the food.

I think i break most of the weight loss rules right now. I'm a total carbaholic. I love breads and pastas and starchy veggies like corn and potatoes. Though i usually eat wheat or multigrain breads and pastas as opposed to white.  I also have a HUGE sweet tooth too so i have a REALLY hard time curbing those cravings for somethign sweet after a meal. I'm just a foodie in general, i love trying new foods so it's hard to pass up an incredible meal when i get the chance, even knowing it's probably drenched in fat and other unhealthy things.

The one thing i will say for me is that at least i'm pretty good with portion control.  When i cook at home, i make smaller portions of everything and try to keep it relatively balanced with a protein (usually fish or chicken), a carb (pasta or bread) and a veggie (typically salad, broccoli, corn, or squash of some kind).  Eating out though is a huge problem, especially at lunch because the people i work with constantly go out for lunch just to get out of the office for a while and i dont get a lot of time to pre-prepare meals at home. That's really where i have a hard time making healthy choices, because burgers, fries, huge sub sandwiches and pizza are all that surounds me at work. Though i will usually only eat half of what i get, i still know that it isn't very healthy.

I have never been good about changing my eating habits cold turkey.  I've done the "i'm not eating anything but salad" diet and the "carbs are evil" diet and the "meat is murder..go veggie!" kinds of diets, but i can never really sustain them for very long because i either get bored of eating the same thing over and over or i succumb to my cravings for bad food.  Sometimes all i need is a bite or two of whatever i am craving and then i'm satisfied, but by that time, i've already fallen off the wagon. I think i just need to slowly ween off the bad stuff, without giving it up entirely all at once. Does anyone have any good suggestions for how to sort of ween off the bad food slowly instead of the crash dieting?


2009-05-26 12:14 PM
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I am the fan of "do one thing a week" that you can sustain.

for example, for 1-2 meals a day, start with a glass of water and a real salad (not cheese, eggs, fried chicken, with 3 tablespoons of ranch) and/or fruit dish before you eat.
 
Or, double the veggies serving per meal.
I now cook two different veggie sides per meal instead of one.

Eliminating something is hard.

Substituting with portion control is realistic.

If you master those two things, the rest kind of falls into place.
Especially if you are training well.
2009-05-26 12:50 PM
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When I was in your shoes (and I was at 204 and doing TNT) I began my weight loss journey with Weight Watchers. It was perfect because no foods were outlawed, you just had to account for them in your daily allotment.

This made it very simple for me in terms of being able to stay on the diet because I didn't eliminate anything.

The smaller I got however, the more I've had to change my diet... but it's evolved slowly. Give a program like WW a shot- it may be what you need...
2009-05-26 12:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Weening off the bad food

I'm not a believer in eliminating everything forever.  I know it doesn't work for me because then I feel deprived and fail.

What does work for me is having a 'cheat' day.  Pick a day of the week - for me it is Friday or Saturday and that day I can have whatever I've been craving all week.  So if it's Tuesday and I REALLY want an oreo shake from Chick-fil-a Embarassed I tell myself, you CAN have it just not today, wait until Friday.  Honestly, half the time when Friday comes the urge/craving is gone and I don't eat the things I thought I would.  Oh and cheat day is NEVER an off day from working out. 

Sometimes it's a special occasion day.  For instance I turned 40 last week and I'll be damned if I wasn't going to celebrate but I work at celebrating that ONE day, not the whole week.  Having a start and stop time helps me too otherwise it gets blurry.  So I can have whatever I want on this day from noon until midnight.

 

2009-05-26 1:06 PM
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KeriKadi - 2009-05-26 1:56 PM

I'm not a believer in eliminating everything forever.  I know it doesn't work for me because then I feel deprived and fail.

What does work for me is having a 'cheat' day.  Pick a day of the week - for me it is Friday or Saturday and that day I can have whatever I've been craving all week.  So if it's Tuesday and I REALLY want an oreo shake from Chick-fil-a Embarassed I tell myself, you CAN have it just not today, wait until Friday.  Honestly, half the time when Friday comes the urge/craving is gone and I don't eat the things I thought I would.  Oh and cheat day is NEVER an off day from working out. 

Sometimes it's a special occasion day.  For instance I turned 40 last week and I'll be damned if I wasn't going to celebrate but I work at celebrating that ONE day, not the whole week.  Having a start and stop time helps me too otherwise it gets blurry.  So I can have whatever I want on this day from noon until midnight.

 



This has worked for me as well.... I always made my cheat day on a long run or long ride day... when I had a lot of calories to spend...
2009-05-26 3:23 PM
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First of all, congrats to you for making healthy lifestyle changes that will really pay out in the long run! I think you'll be surprised by a natural shift in your cravings the more you train. I noticed I started to crave healthier foods and that made it easy to back off some of the poorer choices I was making.

I've been working to get the balance right and it is really difficult. Definitely start slowly and try to make some simple changes you can adapt to and then build from there. I recently cut refined grains from my diet and for two weeks I experienced really low blood sugar levels and overall sluggishness. It takes time to adjust but after you do, you'll feel so much better.

For the sweet tooth, try dark chocolate in small, individual sizes. It's not nearly as bad as some of the other sweets we can eat and there are marginal health benefits. The trick is to just have one little piece and enjoy it, I find it takes away the craving for sweets later.


2009-05-30 1:37 PM
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x2 on the weight watchers. i lost 80 pounds following the points system. it's easy to follow and as said above nothing is off limits, you just have to allocate the points to have what your craving. although, pretty soon i found myself eating healthier just because you feel so damn hungry if all you are eating is empty calories.
2009-05-30 8:16 PM
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I'm a third vote for weight watchers... especially since you say your good with portion control. The weight watchers points plan will allow you to choose whatever you want to eat and by default you'll usually find yourself making better choices because you find out quickly that if you choose crap points you don't get much to eat and feel bad.

As for lunches If I wasn't into packing or cooking I'd just take along something like a TV dinner and educate myself about the best options on the menu for places you end up going with people.

The one issue I had with weight watchers is the attitude that I can eat anything. While I currently have nothing off limits in my own plan I feel like weight watchers allowed to me to eat you know a whole package of skinny cows for dinner if I really wanted to. Plus the cost. You can do weight watchers without the meetings or online also and save some money for tri things.
2009-05-31 10:13 AM
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It has taken me a few months to even get close to clean eating.  I started at the beggining of the year getting off of Sugar and Processed flour foods...it took some time and I had to find things I enjoyed that were quick, easy and semi healthy.  Its a big change, and do not let anyone tell you that you do not go through physical withdrawls when doing this.  They can be bad, especially giving up soda for example, I am now caffeine free but it was hell.   Take it easy on yourself, these changes are meant to be for a lifetime and it takes time to adjust.  I am so sensitive now form eating cleaner than I ever have that when I eat a cheat meal (for me its BBQ or Wings with a ton of Blue cheese)  I get so sick I am out of energy for the whole day.  So your body will actually start craving to eat clean or else you will feel a hug difference.  It takes time but we are all worth the investment that we put into ourselves. 
2009-05-31 10:31 AM
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I'll recommend "The Abs diet" for the healthy eating. Although the book concentrates a bit on musclebuilding to get a 6 pack of abs as far as exercise goes, the eating plan is perfect. You are even allowed a cheat meal once a week (and when you get fit, its a cheat day once a week, as long as you don't overdo it). There are some recipes in the book and there are a couple of follow-up books of meals and recipes that are pretty good. The "good going gumbo" is a pretty good one.
The eating plan is 5 or 6 small meals a day. You have your breakfast, lunch, and dinner, plus healthy snacks in between and for a bedtime snack.
A protein (not soy protein-useless stuff) smoothie will do wonders to fill your stomach and be healthy at the same time. So will a handful of raw nuts, like, cashews, almonds, or walnuts. Lots of other snacks you can have.

BTW, I notice you said you were concentrating on "wheat and whole grains" as far as bread goes. Make sure that the label says 100% whole wheat. If it just says wheat, it's just white bread with molasses added to color it brown.
2009-06-27 12:16 PM
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The only thing that has worked for me is the “Eat Anything You Want Diet.” I started it when I weighted my self and found I was close to 190. I was also extremely broke and could not afford a lot for food; which made things easier.  I went from 188 to 160 in about 3 months.

I started out by eating 2 Whoppers a day (they were on sale for $1) and drinking tons of iced tea and lemon. I did that for about 3 weeks. After the 3 weeks my stomach had become small enough that I was able to eat anything I wanted as long as I stopped before I was stuffed. If I wanted junk food, brownies, ice cream I ate it.   It is my version of stomach surgery. It worked for over 5 years. It stopped working when I got a job that keep me in a truck most of the day. Boredom killed my ability to keep off weight.

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2009-06-27 4:55 PM
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RW2 - 2009-06-27 10:16 AM

The only thing that has worked for me is the “Eat Anything You Want Diet.” I started it when I weighted my self and found I was close to 190. I was also extremely broke and could not afford a lot for food; which made things easier.  I went from 188 to 160 in about 3 months.

I started out by eating 2 Whoppers a day (they were on sale for $1) and drinking tons of iced tea and lemon. I did that for about 3 weeks. After the 3 weeks my stomach had become small enough that I was able to eat anything I wanted as long as I stopped before I was stuffed. If I wanted junk food, brownies, ice cream I ate it.   It is my version of stomach surgery. It worked for over 5 years. It stopped working when I got a job that keep me in a truck most of the day. Boredom killed my ability to keep off weight.

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This is a joke, right?
2009-06-27 6:14 PM
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Not a joke.  The start of the diet was a 1500 calorie diet.  A Whopper is about 750 cals.   Ice tea 0 cals.  A whopper tends to stick with you for a while. That may not be good for training but for losing weight it was great.  Eating that diet for 3 week to a month my stomach shrank. I felt full eating less. 

The remainder of the diet was the only reason the weight stayed off. I know some people are able to stop eating sweats, meat or drinking beer. Not me! Why sacrifice when there is no need? Why feel bad about wanting to eat what others can? I ate anything I wanted but was able to avoid gaining weight. This was accomplished by keep the size of my portions down. I never left the table hungry. I never had a day of eating that I regretted later. I'm not saying eat only junk. I'm not saying eat the entire 1/2 Gallon of Blue Bell ice cream. If a person allows their stomach to shrink and they don't over do it they can eat anything they want.

Why wean yourself off the bad foods. Just eat less of everything.

In the US we eat super sized foods. When I was a kid the large fries was smaller than today’s kids fries. A bottle coke was 8 oz. and a fast food small is at least 0 oz.  We eat too much in this country. With a smaller stomach a person can eat less and enjoy everything.  

Once again this is not a Joke, it is my life.

 

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2009-06-27 6:37 PM
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Dude ... that is just EXTREMELY unhealthy. Sure - you lost weight. But at what cost? Baaaaad diet idea. Bad idea in general.
Your stomach may be full - but your body is still starving (for healthy foods, nutrients, vitamins...).
2009-06-27 8:04 PM
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Unhealthy? I don't know the complete nutritional values of a Whopper so I can't say either way. If you do I would be glad for you to inform me. I'm just a little curious how bad a whopper really is. I know it is full of fat. And that secret sauce?????   The first month was unhealthy due to the high fat content and lack of vitamins. I'll give you that a whopper may not been the best choice but it worked. The whopper plan was only for 3 to 4 weeks. If you look at the nutrients in a whopper you will probably find it is healthier than the average American diet, no fries.

The rest of the diet was OK. The only thing I did was eat less than I previously did. Never said I starved. Never said I lived on ice cream and candy.  

The basic idea behind the post was to point out that with holding things from your diet may not work. Eat everything you enjoy in moderation. Sorry if I did not get that across.  

 

2009-06-28 11:31 AM
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This is making me really sad.  Your poor colon!  There's so much more to being healthy than just being at your goal weight.  Fast food and other processed foods aren't just unhealthy simply because of the portion sizes.  They're unhealthy because they consist of empty calories.  750 empty calories out of 1500 in the day means you're going to be lacking nutrition-wise.  Doesn't matter what else you eat for the day.


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2009-06-28 1:38 PM
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I found that just making everything more "balanced" worked for me. I have it a little easier as i don't care for pizza or fries tho. I would still go out to lunch (i work in a mall) but i would make sure i had veggies and protien in my meal fat was a given. when I go to a nicer restraunt i get soup or salad first and 1 bread only. I don't count calories or anything i feel like I am not deprived I still eat "bad food" when I want. The difference is where before I would eat 50 hot wings now I eat a salad and 12 wings.
 Wings by the way are really really bad but somethings are just worth another pants size.

 The only other tip i can give is watch your liquid calories (drinks, dressings dipping sauce) most people (men more so according to an article i read) watch what they eat but ignore what they drink. Some of the starbucks coffees are 800+ calories!
2009-06-28 8:19 PM
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I must say that I have never had a pretty woman express her concerned over my colons health. I can't recall anyone expressing concerned about my colons health. Is that a good or bad thing?    LOL

2009-06-28 8:59 PM
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...Back the OP.

Good for you!! Like most have said..have a cheat day! Mine is friday so I can celebrate the end of another week, but I acutally only cheat on dinner, which is usually enough. Typically there is something that I've been craving allll week, like one week was a DQ Moolatte, and last week was a Chipotle burrito.

Also, I'll set goals and reward myself after I make it. Recently I had a mini pack of MM's and I promised myself I could have them once I was able to run a 5K.  They were the best MM's I've ever had!

It's great that you're alread in control of portions, because that can be just as hard, if not harder.  The best way to get off of the bad foods is to just by-pass that isle in the store and not even tempt yourself.  It may be a rough road sometimes,but you can do it!

2009-07-06 8:07 PM
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I follow the "zig zag diet" idea.  For three days I eat below my caloric intake, like 750 calories below. Then on the fourth day, I zag, and eat at my "maintenance" caloric intake. On my zag days, I splurge a little too, ice cream is something I cannot live without. Thats not to say I eat Ice cream every zag day, but it doesn't feel like so much of a diet when you can eat those kinds of things overy fourth day.
2009-07-07 11:42 AM
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Weaning is the the best way - not cold turkey.  When you cut out something completely from day one you still crave it and are more likely to cheat.   When I decided to finally get healthy I did baby steps at first (cutting down on the sugar in my coffee, changing from toast for breakfast to oatmeal, switching from FOTB to plain yogurt etc).   Over a period of several months I reduced my refined sugar, sodium, unhealthy fats and excess carb intake and increased my fruit and veggie comsumption.  It was all gradual and over time I found that I craved the bad foods less and less.  When I do decide to cheat I don't enjoy those foods like I used to so I am less likely to want them now.   So far I have lost over 60 pounds in 10 months and I am not on a diet - I just changed my lifestyle.  I don't count calories but I do read labels and for the first 4-5 months I wrote down what I ate to be able to see better what I was eating and where I could make changes. 



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Here's a good article from the Beachbody.com Newsletter

BEACH BODY NUTRITION & WEIGHT LOSS - The Easy Six Week Diet Transition

In some ways, changing your diet is similar to making a successful resolution in that it's conceptual at first. Your long-range goal should just be to eat well. As your healthy eating behavior becomes a habit, you will find the other intangibles (such as weight loss, energy gained, etc.) falling into place. The easiest way to accomplish this is a gradual transition from food choices that don't help to food choices that do. By making this transition gradually over six weeks, we've found it to be the easiest diet program ever recommended.

Working in a 6-week cycle, you can train (or trick, if you will) your body into craving more nutritious foods. This cycle is easier if you're exercising because your body will crave the proper nutrients to re-build its broken down tissue.

Week 1 - Eliminate the junk from your diet. That's it, just junk; no potato chips, candy, ice cream, etc. Other than this you may eat whatever you like... and here's the kicker: you may cheat on this twice, and that means for TWO WHOLE DAYS YOU CAN EAT WHATEVER YOU LIKE AND STILL SUCCEED!

Week 2 - No eating for 3-hours before you go to bed. That way your body can go to sleep in fat-burning mode, rather than in calorie-storing mode. Plus each week carries over, so you still cannot have junk, except for the 2 days when you may cheat and eat whenever and whatever you like.

Week 3 - Eat 5 to 6 small meals a day. If you make yourself do this, the size will control itself because you won't ever get ravenously hungry. Try to keep each meal balanced as close to 30% protein, 40% carbohydrates, and 30% fat as you can - and try and eat for what you will be doing for the next three hours (If you're working out, eat more, sitting at a desk, eat less)... Still no junk food, and still no eating three hours before bedtime. You may cheat on two days.

Week 4 - Eliminate fast food and alcohol. This can be hard for many of us because we now have to plan our meals, but hey, it's only for a couple weeks. People tend to forget that alcohol has calories, and it also slows your metabolism. Cheat ONLY ONE DAY this week.

Week 5 - Eat whole foods. This means that you eliminate any processed foods from your diet, such as bread, most salad dressings, almost all cereal, luncheon meats, cheese, anything with preservatives, and most everything served in restaurants. What you can eat are whole foods such as fruit, raw or steamed vegetables, meat (sans any type of sauce), natural grain rice, poached eggs, etc. It shouldn't be terribly hard since your eating habits have been slowly changing. Still, it's a hard week because it will feel like dieting. Try not to cheat, but you may if you find yourself getting ravenous - just keep your blowout to a minimum.

Week 6 - Eat healthy. Eat whatever you want, following the general rules we've followed for the last five weeks. You may be surprised to find yourself craving something healthy instead of a candy bar or pint of Ben & Jerry's. You should now be better at listening to your body because it will tell you what it needs to eat, as opposed to what you're used to eating - especially if you're working out. Keep a couple of cheating days, allowing yourself to give in to occasional indulgences. Just try not to overdo it.

Now take some time off and don't think about dieting. Have your eating habits changed? Most likely they have. You may find that your body feels transformed and that you've shed some fat! More importantly, because you have gradually changed your lifestyle, your body is likely to maintain this change, without a lot of effort on your part.

You should now know enough about yourself to tweak the next 6-week plan to suit you. However, keep the cheating days. They are important, and not just because they allow you to have fun. Whenever you are restricting your caloric intake, your metabolism wants to slow down because it thinks that you are starving. By "cheating" a couple of days a week, you actually trick your metabolism to stay higher, so you lose more fat.
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I say get rid of the Diet Mentality that there are off limit foods.
Diet = Deprivation = Binges 
A Diet indicates their is an end but deciding to eat healthy is forever.
I am a follower of all things in moderation. It works for me.
If I want chocolate, I may eat sugar free fat free chocolate pudding a serving.  
There are so many ways to eat what you enjoy and make recipes healthier.

nothing tastes as good as thin feels
 


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