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2009-06-03 3:09 PM

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Subject: Anyone experiences with VIBRAM Five Fingers shoes??

Hello,

Does anyone have experiences with VIBRAM Five Fingers shoes??

I saw some people out with those shoes on short races and read about the benefits of doing some runs barefoot.

What is you opinion??

THANKS!



2009-06-03 3:53 PM
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Funny you should mention these...

I just ordered my first pair after reading Christopher McDougall's book, Born to Run. A great read for those looking for some extra motivation and an interesting twist on running philosophy. It's about the world of ultrarunning and McDougall's experiences with the Tarahumara Indians, a band of exceptional canyon runners, still living a "traditional" life in the Sierra Madre in Mexico. McDougall also delves deeply into the mechanics of running and why injury rates among runners continue to climb despite the availability of so many "high tech" running shoes.
2009-06-03 8:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Anyone experiences with VIBRAM Five Fingers shoes??
very interesting.. I have dug this up, which seems to give good pros and cons
http://www.coolrunning.com.au/forums/index.php?autocom=blog&blogid=204&showentry=5023
2009-06-03 8:11 PM
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Thanks for the responses.

A local store has them, so I maybe just try them out tomorrow.
2009-06-03 9:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Anyone experiences with VIBRAM Five Fingers shoes??
I have a pair, but I use them more of an aqua shoe than anything else. I haven't run in them for the simple fact that I prefer to have support and cushioning rather than pain in my knees or back, but the only way to find out if they work is to try them.
2009-06-04 9:40 AM
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Subject: RE: Anyone experiences with VIBRAM Five Fingers shoes??
When I was bodybuilding, I would not wear anything else. These are amazingly comfortable and the lack of... well... anything is great when deadlifting

That said, they sit in my closet nowadays. I definitely need a good stability shoe to run any distance (currently on the air structure 12... wish they were as comfy as my old Span5's) but I still piddle with some outside "jog's" with mine. I have a friend that runs exclusively in them (5k's-10k's and a few sprints) and he swears by them. Personally, I don't think my foot can handle it.

They get some comments though


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Leegoocrap - 2009-06-04 10:40 AM

Personally, I don't think my foot can handle it.


Not surprising given that many of us have grown dependent on the cushioning and stability of the high-end running shoes.

Wonder what would happen to your "barefoot" capabilities, though, if you were to build up slowly and steadily to the 5K and 10K distances your friend can already handle?
2009-06-04 2:36 PM
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I dunno, I have been debating giving it a real shot again. I have read numerous things that say it is great for you.
2009-06-04 2:52 PM
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I would be curious to hear if anyone that has chronic foot issues, such as plantar fasciitis, bunions, neuromas, etc...are wearing the Vibram Five Fingers for running?  I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that this type of "minimal" shoe would be good for a person suffering from foot pain/problems. 
2009-06-04 9:51 PM
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http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,7120,s6-240-400--12828-0,00.h... />
I actually got me a pair today. Tried them on, they felt great. But I also read that it takes some time getting used to, especially when running with it. I found an article on Runner's World that mentioned that too. I am planning on doing a first short run sometime on the weekend.

Thanks for your input everyone.
2009-06-04 11:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Anyone experiences with VIBRAM Five Fingers shoes??

I have had mine for 2 years now and love them. It does take a bit of ramping up as far as mileage goes and you do have to make sure your gait is proper to run with these. Running in the VFF makes you run "properly" on the front half of your foot, away from the cushioned heel striking many are prone to.

Your lower legs, calves and feet will strengthen with time not relying on a cushioned shoe. I have had no running injury issues since switching to the VFF where with a "regular" running shoe, I would tweak something minor at least once a year (just enough for a couple days off from training)

Hope this helps



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I wanted to add that I seem to go through the Vibrams faster than sneakers.  I don't know if it is me, but I tend to get holes in the toes (basically, the cloth tears away from the rubber bottom).  They tended to last about 3 months of regular usage.  I ran multiple races in them the last couple of years, including a couple of half-marathons.
2009-06-09 6:58 PM
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I just ordered a pair of the KSO (keep stuff out) models.  I was planning on gradually getting my body used to this buy alternating between the KSO and regular running shoes.  After my body is accustomed to the Vibrams, would going back and forth between them and regular running shoes (for races or other training runs) offset any benefits of using the Vibrams?

I guess I am not yet ready to completely change all of my running shoes (I alternate between 3 pairs and have a pair used soley for races).  I do want to get the foot strengthening and build up some of the other unused lower leg muscle.  Would switching between the KSO and my DS trainers for races feel like strapping on clunky bricks on my feet?
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2009-06-09 9:10 PM
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Just got mine so no experience yet to relate unfortuantely. But a definite second on reading 'Born to Run' by Chris McDougall, excellent book (for many reasons). I believe in the concept of barefoot running and will use this summer to work on becoming one

2009-06-09 11:54 PM
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Hello,

I'm new to this site and am happy to see this thread!  I've been running in Vibram KSOs now for about a month.  Planned on taking it slow but ended up pushing it because my body just felt so good.  ITB issues went away immediately as did low back pain.  I had calf soreness for the first 3 weeks but it is gone now too.  My running gait has changed greatly which has taken some getting used to BUT feels more efficent.  I'm up to about 8-10 miles per run in the Vibrams and have no plans to going back to running shoes.  Will run a half-marathon in them in July and first sprint tri in August.

And...I also can't recommend enough the Born to Run book.  Awesome!  Reading it for the second time now.

I look forward to hearing about other's experiences...

Doug
2009-06-10 6:57 PM
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Health_Doc - 2009-06-10 12:54 AM Hello,

I'm new to this site and am happy to see this thread!  I've been running in Vibram KSOs now for about a month.  Planned on taking it slow but ended up pushing it because my body just felt so good.  ITB issues went away immediately as did low back pain.  I had calf soreness for the first 3 weeks but it is gone now too.  My running gait has changed greatly which has taken some getting used to BUT feels more efficent.  I'm up to about 8-10 miles per run in the Vibrams and have no plans to going back to running shoes.  Will run a half-marathon in them in July and first sprint tri in August.

And...I also can't recommend enough the Born to Run book.  Awesome!  Reading it for the second time now.

I look forward to hearing about other's experiences...

Doug

Thats a quick adjustment you did, too fast for most runners I think. I'm a barefoot runner already and want to try the Vibrams for trail running sometime. Usually to adjust to flat shoes or barefoot running it takes months not weeks... like increasing 1/4 to 1/2 mile per run to get a nice slow safe adjustment.

Yea wanting to read Born to Run also heard lots of good things about it.



2009-06-17 10:51 PM
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you are absolutely right...way too fast of a transition!  I really worried that I would have problems/injuries but it hasn't happened.  I was desperate to find an answer to the chronic ITB issues I was having.  I certainly wouldn't recommend everyone make a change to bare foot running that quickly.  HOWEVER, I would recommend to anyone that is having chronic running injury issues to try it (slowly).  It MIGHT be the answer.

I've done a fair amount of research on the mechanics of running in shoes vs barefoot (believe it or not, there isn't a lot out there) and am pretty convinced that most running shoes force us into some pretty bad habits in the name of "motion control" and "cushioning".  My personal experience seems to back that up.  Here is a link to a very interesting article on this subject...if you like that kind of thing (i.e. if you are a biomechanics geek like me):

http://www.sportsci.org/jour/0103/mw.htm

 

2009-06-18 9:01 AM
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I initially tried barefoot running to help with knee pains and it worked, stuck with it ever since.

These look interesting , a new model of Vibrams coming out soon that are more heavy duty. I would like something like that but with just the big toe seperate, almost like a foot mitten for cold days in the winter.

The model "Trek" is made from high quality suede and finally makes the Fivefingers for year-round shoe. The Fivefingers "Trek" is in difficult terrain through its sole and strengthening the quality leather processing also in the mountains or even in the winter bearable, the heat insulation is significantly better than for all other models. [Available] approximately in September 2009

http://www.voycontigo.de/index.php/fivefingers-trek-leder



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I am going to give the Vibram's a shot also.  I am having some PF/Heel issues and want to see how this goes.  I am also reading born to run and just finished the section talling about the biomechanics and barefoot running.  I think I am going to go with the KSO, since I am on trails most of the time.  Couple questions:

1.  Where is the cheapest place to buy them new (other than ebay)?

2.  Where can I read more about how to slowly build to running in barefoot/Vibrams?

I am a bigger guy (6', 225lbs) with a decent running base - I have run tons of trail races, both half mary's and two trail marathons...but have lost a bit this year due to the PF flaring up.  I did do the NOLA 70.3 back in April but had heel pain throughout and shuffled through it for a slow 2:11 run leg. 

I am looking forwward to exploring this new type of running.  My wife thinks I'm crazy and I'm pretty sure my foot doc would say the same.  I have always been the type to look for thesoftest most comfortable running shoe.

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Hey Trail Runner

Born to Run was certainly my inspiration to move to barefoot running.  I've researched most of the biomechanics info he discusses and have found it to be spot on!  And yes, your podiatrist will probably say you're nuts...I have a couple of colleagues that are podiatrists and they have indeed indicated that I am off my rocker according to their world.

But I think the proof is in the pudding...and I am pain free after 2 months of barefooting (with VFFs).  Did 10 miles yesterday with no problems!

1.  I would recommend going to a shoe store that is selling them if possible.  You really need to try them to see which ones fit the best.  I discovered that I needed a size smaller than what I would have thought.  they should fit snug but not cause your toes to curl up.  It may or may not be a perfect fit, depending on your foot shape and toe length.  My first 2 toes are snug while my pinky toe barely fills the pocket...my pinky to is very small compared to others I guess (?).  I buy a lot of stuff online from ZombieRunner.com but they wont sell these unless you come to their store because the fitting can be tricky.

2.  I spent a lot of time reviewing the info and posts on Barefoot KenBob's site: www.runningbarefoot.org.  lots of good info and advice.

I too used to go looking for the best and softest running shoe I could find...now I just use all those shoes to wear while mowing the lawn!

Good Luck!

Doug


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As an alternate option, I just measured my foot as Vibram's website suggests and online ordered. I got the right fit for my wife and me w/out trying them on. Of course, that won't work for everyone but if there isn't somewhere local to try them on (which was my case) then you can definitely give online ordering a go. Being frugal, I looked for sites that carried them and offered 15% or more off for first time customers (I got mine from Rock Creek Outfitters  ) .

As for increasing mileage, I didn't look for any specific sites but I think based on your foot strength it may be fairly individualistic? I'm just taking a month of working up to 5k and then will progress normally from there based on any other run training plan.

Good luck & enjoy!



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Hey all. I'm along with everyone else in this thread now. Just finishing up Born to run, reading on runningbarefoot.org, and got my first pair of VFF's last week.

I ordered the classic model of the VFF's, and while they seem to fit, the heel area wants to slide up and down on my foot. I can try cinching down the elastic more and see if that helps.  I think maybe the sprint or vso model might work better for running. Any thoughts?

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I went ahead and bought a pair of KSO's from a store called Shoe Gallery.  They fit well.  I went out and did a very easy 2 mile run on grass (in a field).  I have had a history of PF, but through therapy and tons of ice it has felt just a little better.  Not great but better but I have not run a ton. 

I did an easy pace:  10-11 min/mile and really felt ok during the run.  No discomfort.  That night and the next day, though, my heel was pretty sore.  I assume this is normal?

How do I proceed with my running?  Do I run a couple times a week (like normal) in my regular running shoes and mix in a run in my Vibrams on a Saturday or Sunday?  Should I expect to feel discomfort the day after with my PF until my feet get used to it?

Thanks in advance.
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Trail_Runner - 2009-07-07 3:29 PM I went ahead and bought a pair of KSO's from a store called Shoe Gallery.  They fit well.  I went out and did a very easy 2 mile run on grass (in a field).  I have had a history of PF, but through therapy and tons of ice it has felt just a little better.  Not great but better but I have not run a ton. 

I did an easy pace:  10-11 min/mile and really felt ok during the run.  No discomfort.  That night and the next day, though, my heel was pretty sore.  I assume this is normal?

How do I proceed with my running?  Do I run a couple times a week (like normal) in my regular running shoes and mix in a run in my Vibrams on a Saturday or Sunday?  Should I expect to feel discomfort the day after with my PF until my feet get used to it?

Thanks in advance.

The 2 miler you did is actually a lot for the first time. I would wear them for 1/4 to 1/2 mile at the end of regular shoe runs for next few times. Then after you get a better feel for it then switch a little sooner each time or add short runs in with just the VFF's. Your calves will be sore in the beginning for days to weeks, go very gradual increases. Resist the temptation to increase faster till you get thru the first few weeks at least also you may get a few blisters in the beginning too.

Your heel should not be sore unless you are pounding your feet or over striding. It will take some time to adjust, patience will be your friend.

 

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