Swimming and pace control for proper breathing
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I read several very informative posts yesterday on swimming and breathing. I am a beginner training for a sprint tri. I never learned how to swim properly and holy cow does it show. I never mastered keeping my face down in the water. This morning, I worked from a lot of the great info in the posts and tried to apply them to my swim. Exhaling with your face down. Not gasping for air each time I turned to breath. I made it about 75 yards before my form broke down. One thing I think is holding me back is my inability to control my pace. In the ideal I am taking two or three strokes then breathing. I noticed this morning that I had the urge to take four to six strokes before turning to breathe. I’m not gliding at all. I’m just chopping away as fast as I can. Pretty obviously, I’m not going to be able to do that for long without gasping for air. Someone made the great analogy of trying to run 100 yards while holding your breath. Not gonna happen! I’d gladly and carefully listen to any tips or triggers. I am building towards 400 yards. I can keep going if I backstroke a couple of stretches during the swim. It allows me to catch my breath. I know that’s all wrong. I’d like to improve my form as I go. Thanks in advance. |
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![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Pick up Total Immersion and read it/ watch the DVD. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm still a very new swimmer so keep that in mind, but I seemed to be stuck at ~300 meters comfortably until I got in the pool one day and told myself I was going to swim slowly and continuously for as long as I could. I started breathing 3/2 (so I breath on one side twice, then the other side twice) and by slowing down my stroke, I was getting a nice glide going as well. I did all this after reading the Total Immersion book at doing some of their drills. If you're having problems getting comfortable in the water, I highly recommend it. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Here's what I would suggest. Do a set of 25's, say 10X25's with 15 seconds rest or so inbetween each one. On each 25 force yourself to take 10 breaths (or whatever 2-3 strokes per breath gets you) and no more than X strokes. This will start to give you a consistent stroke and pace. Once you get the 25's down without screwing it up, then try 50's with a similar set of rules. By the time you get good at the 50's, you're going to have a pretty consistent stroke, at which time you can start to tweak it and improve. Hope this helps. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() OK, so I made use of these very helpful suggestions and felt like I made some progress. More background that other newbies might find helpful. Basically, I know enough to swim from one end of the lane to the other quickly before I sink and drown. It occurred to me as I endlessly analyze it in my head that, with running and biking, you aren’t really sprinting all the time. You jog. You cruise. You set a pace you can keep going for a longer period. I have to develop my ‘jog’ swim. Right now, I’m mentally conditioned to feel the need to sprint swim every time I push off the wall lest I sink and drown. If I could break that mindset, I could really concentrate on improving my form. Doing the interval sets as you suggested TJ really helped me this morning. I concentrated on rolling to the left and pulling my right shoulder up and my face towards the ceiling to breathe with every second stroke. I slowed down my strokes as I did so. I took a short break every 25 yards. I did do one fifty yard stretch at 350 and 450 yards to see if I could hold form across two lengths of the pool. I did so successfully. I learned a lot from the exercise. I realized that my gasping was largely a function of water intake as I turned to breathe. By slowing down my workout, I became acutely aware of what happens when I didn’t get my head turned far enough or I got splashed and took in water. The reaction was obvious and not positive. Totally blows up my breathing. Minimizing that allowed me to stay controlled and focused. Getting out of the pool without feeling dizzy or like I desperately needed to sit down was also a welcome byproduct of this workout. 15 minutes later I dropped the Ghia off to get new tires and put on my shoes for the 2.5 mile run home. I guess that’s my first ‘brick’. This is so much fun. Thanks everyone. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() FWIW, I breath pretty much every stroke. I know a lot of people say to only breath every 2 or 3 strokes, but I find that that slows me down, because I don't get enough oxygen to my muscles breathing less often. It's a little unconventional, but my point is once you develop solid form, don't be afraid to tweak some things to suit your genetics. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Back in the pool again this morning. I did four sets of 75 yard segments. I followed with a full 100 yard segment and finished with two 50s. 500 yards total. I concentrated on form. When my concentration broke, I struggled. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I went through the same problems when I started swim training for my first triathlon. It was amazing that I could run or bike for miles, but 50 yards of swimming left me gasping for breath! I got some advice here that helped me a ton:
After 30 minutes working on these things I went from 50 yards gasping for breath to 400 yds without getting tired. It was that simple. I think I swam 2:30 per 100 yards. I'm still a crappy swimmer compared to mthe fishies, but I can swim for a long time with out problems.
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks Doug. Really helpful advice. When you are able to slow yourself down and pay attention to your body, it's amazing the things you learn. For example, when I put my head down, I can feel my hips rise. Who knew? |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If you are breathing with your face pointing to teh ceiling you are definitely lifting your head way too far out of the water. Concentrate on rolling your body (using the hips) from side to side...maybe to a 30-35Degree angle...that helps me. |
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Regular ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() brown_dog_us - 2009-07-10 12:34 PM
Thank you, I need the last two to remind me. First Triathlon tomorrow and swimming is not the best, I need to continue to drill 3 and 4 in my head. It will work out. Thanks again. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I will throw in one word of advice....RELAX. New swimmers tighten up and mentally worry about everything. Like a golf swing, swimming is a fairly complex motion. Reach, catch, push, roatate hips, etc. Lots to think about, oh yah, breath! The only way to get it all down is to relax in the water. Once you relax and let it flow, things will start to fall in place. Good luck. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Let's not talk about my golf swing. Ugh! |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have to add my thanks in on this, I went into the pool today with this advice.. and a couple of things that helped me were: keeping my face more "down", definitely felt that level me out in the water. I slowed my stroke down and tried to "glide" if you will at the end of each stroke, this allowed me to further exhale which in turn helped me get a better inhale. I think the shortened breaths plus the faster pace was putting me out of breath much quicker. Most I could swim was 200 meters before, swam 400 straight today and felt a TON better.. I just need to replicate that this week before my upcoming tri, but hopefully this is the "break through" that others speak about. Here's hoping to continue to make progress! Thanks again Derek |